What the Left fails to communicate about Jan 6

[Deluge]

This is for you, woketards, as the rest of us already understand what is going on.

The Cambridge Dictionary defines “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence” By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the FBI. Reuters reports :

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00-20210902-SD005.pdf

[OftenWrong]

Good one. Here's the Reuters link.

FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

Last I heard most of these people were charged with the odious federal offence of trespassing...    

 

[robosmith]

58 minutes ago, Deluge said:

This is for you, woketards, as the rest of us already understand what is going on.

The Cambridge Dictionary defines “insurrection” as: “an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence” By that definition, there was no “insurrection” at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, according to the FBI. Reuters reports :

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20210902/114020/HMKP-117-GO00-20210902-SD005.pdf

So that's all you got? A single ANONYMOUS "former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation."

That is NOT "according to the FBI." LMAO

Seems like you completely MISSED the hundreds of MAGA CULT who were CONVICTED for violent attacks and the dozen plus who were CONVICTED of seditious conspiracy for their actions on Jan 6th. More that enough to meet the definition of INSURRECTION.

And Trump was found to "engage in insurrection" at his HEARING in Colorado.

IOW, GPS.

[robosmith]

21 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Good one. Here's the Reuters link.

FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

Last I heard most of these people were charged with the odious federal offence of trespassing...    

 

^This is laughable.

From your link:

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FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

A dozen PB and OK members/leaders were CONVICTED of seditious conspiracy, so those anonymous "sources" don't know what they're talking about.

[WestCanMan]

I see that robo replied, but I can't read it yet because he's on ignore.

What are the chances that, as I read his posts, I feel like I'm witnessing the deranged rants of a cultist...? 

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^This is laughable.

It's just your username, and it's by far the least laughable thing about you.

When you re-read this part, which you posted yourself, what overall impression do you get from it?

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FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

So this "serious insurrection" that you keep talking about was fanned by comments like "let's peacefully and patriotically walk to the capitol", it included a grand total of 0 firearms used, and there were just a handful of communications discovered which were milquetoast at best...

And remember, according your own leftard sources, the "insurrectiony" part was that their plan was to hold up the vote certification... Was that made up? Just remember your own quote, above, says "they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside". Nothing about 'vote certification'? 

That's your f'ing insurrection? 

Go away, halfwit. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's just your username, and it's by far the least laughable thing about you.

Are you really ^this stupid? It points to a quote from OftenWrong. Go back and read the quoted post. LMAO

That ignorance is not what I'd expect from a veteran poster such as yourself.

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

When you re-read this part, which you posted yourself, what overall impression do you get from it?

So this "serious insurrection" that you keep talking about was fanned by comments like "let's peacefully and patriotically walk to the capitol", it included a grand total of 0 firearms used, and there were just a handful of communications discovered which were milquetoast at best...

And remember, according your own leftard sources, the "insurrectiony" part was that their plan was to hold up the vote certification... Was that made up? Just remember your own quote, above, says "they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside". Nothing about 'vote certification'? 

That's your f'ing insurrection? 

Go away, halfwit. 

Not surprised that Trump's DOUBLE TALK has fooled YOU, TOO.

That is entirely consistent with you being continually fooled by the conman. Of course that started with the rain you claim didn't happen.

BTW, Trump sent them to the Capitol to "stop the steal." The EC VOTE COUNT was the ONLY THING happening in the Capitol that day. At least until the mob invaded to "stop the steal," which significantly DELAYED the COUNT.

[Deluge]

44 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So that's all you got? 

That's all I need. 

The rest comes from observation. 

You see, stoopid, that's the difference between you and me: I'm a thinking American who takes in the information at hand, processes it, mulls it over, then comes to a logical, well informed, conclusion. You're just some empty headed jackass who parrots left-wing propaganda. 

[CdnFox]

Despite the leftie freak out and attempt at painting it as an insurrection - the REALLY funny thing is that it was the opposite.

RIght or wrong, these people believed Donald trump won the election. They believed biden had illegally tampered with the results.  They were going there to insist that trump be declared president in the full and strong belief that this was true and once he was proclaimed there would be time for the truth to come out and prove them right.

So - based on their actual beliefs they were ANTI insurrectionists. In their mind it was biden walking off with 'regime change' illegally. They were there to PRESERVE the democratic process.

Still criminals but i think that people are missing the reason they did it and that  insurrection' is  more about making it sound horrible than what it actually was - which was still pretty horrible mind you

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Good one. Here's the Reuters link.

FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

Last I heard most of these people were charged with the odious federal offence of trespassing...    

 

Coordinated. Turns out, new evidence proves there was premediation and coordination between Donald Trump, White House Staff, and the Women for America First group, who applied for the rally permits for January 6. 

Jan. 6 Rally Organizers Lied About Plan to March to the Capitol, Report Finds

Women for America First, which planned the rally on the Ellipse, knew of President Donald J. Trump’s plans to have his supporters march to the Capitol but repeatedly denied it to federal permitting officials.

A pro-Trump group that organized the “Save America” rally in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, lied to federal officials about President Donald J. Trump’s plans to call on the crowd to march to the Capitol, where the protest over his election loss turned into a violent riot, according to a new inspector general investigation.

The report found that Women for America First, which organized a rally at the Ellipse about two miles from the Capitol on Jan. 6, “intentionally failed to disclose information” to the National Park Service “during the permitting process regarding a march to the U.S. Capitol.”

According to the investigation, Women for America First, which is run by Amy and Kylie Jane Kremer, a conservative mother-and-daughter team, repeatedly told Park Service officials there would be no march to the Capitol while privately planning for one.

When shown private text messages indicating there would be a march, a park ranger involved in the permitting process told investigators it “bl[ew her] mind,” the report said. The Park Service had repeatedly asked Women for America First whether there would be a march, and the organization “was just adamant there was gonna be no march.”

A White House liaison to the rally organizers sent a text message on Jan. 3 to Women for America First regarding a demonstration at the Ellipse. “POTUS expectations are intimate and then send everyone over to the Capitol,” the message said, according to the report.

On Jan. 4, Kylie Jane Kremer wrote in a text message: “POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol.” She added: “It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the National Park Service and all the agencies, but POTUS is going to just call for it ‘unexpectedly.’”

On Dec. 29, 2020, the group initially sought the permit for the Jan. 6 rally at the Ellipse and “repeatedly” stated there would not be a march to the Capitol, the report said. The permit issued stated that it “does not authorize a march from the Ellipse” and that the organization would “not conduct an organized march from the Ellipse at the conclusion of the rally.”

Edited December 21, 2023 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

Just now, Rebound said:

Coordinated. Turns out, new evidence proves there was premediation and coordination between Donald Trump, White House Staff, and the Women for America First group, who applied for the rally permits for January 6. 

Jan. 6 Rally Organizers Lied About Plan to March to the Capitol, Report Finds

Women for America First, which planned the rally on the Ellipse, knew of President Donald J. Trump’s plans to have his supporters march to the Capitol but repeatedly denied it to federal permitting officials.

A pro-Trump group that organized the “Save America” rally in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, lied to federal officials about President Donald J. Trump’s plans to call on the crowd to march to the Capitol, where the protest over his election loss turned into a violent riot, according to a new inspector general investigation.

The report found that Women for America First, which organized a rally at the Ellipse about two miles from the Capitol on Jan. 6, “intentionally failed to disclose information” to the National Park Service “during the permitting process regarding a march to the U.S. Capitol.”

According to the investigation, Women for America First, which is run by Amy and Kylie Jane Kremer, a conservative mother-and-daughter team, repeatedly told Park Service officials there would be no march to the Capitol while privately planning for one.

When shown private text messages indicating there would be a march, a park ranger involved in the permitting process told investigators it “bl[ew her] mind,” the report said. The Park Service had repeatedly asked Women for America First whether there would be a march, and the organization “was just adamant there was gonna be no march.”

A White House liaison to the rally organizers sent a text message on Jan. 3 to Women for America First regarding a demonstration at the Ellipse. “POTUS expectations are intimate and then send everyone over to the Capitol,” the message said, according to the report.

Yea but there's nothing wrong with that. Marching to the capital is not 'insurrection' and everyone has the right to protest. BLM members didn't tell of their plans to burn cities or riot either. When that was brought  up AOC said "Protests are SUPPOSED to make you uncomfortable. "

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Coordinated. Turns out, new evidence proves there was premediation and coordination between Donald Trump, White House Staff, and the Women for America First group, who applied for the rally permits for January 6. 

Jan. 6 Rally Organizers Lied About Plan to March to the Capitol, Report Finds

Women for America First, which planned the rally on the Ellipse, knew of President Donald J. Trump’s plans to have his supporters march to the Capitol but repeatedly denied it to federal permitting officials.

A pro-Trump group that organized the “Save America” rally in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, lied to federal officials about President Donald J. Trump’s plans to call on the crowd to march to the Capitol, where the protest over his election loss turned into a violent riot, according to a new inspector general investigation.

The report found that Women for America First, which organized a rally at the Ellipse about two miles from the Capitol on Jan. 6, “intentionally failed to disclose information” to the National Park Service “during the permitting process regarding a march to the U.S. Capitol.”

According to the investigation, Women for America First, which is run by Amy and Kylie Jane Kremer, a conservative mother-and-daughter team, repeatedly told Park Service officials there would be no march to the Capitol while privately planning for one.

When shown private text messages indicating there would be a march, a park ranger involved in the permitting process told investigators it “bl[ew her] mind,” the report said. The Park Service had repeatedly asked Women for America First whether there would be a march, and the organization “was just adamant there was gonna be no march.”

A White House liaison to the rally organizers sent a text message on Jan. 3 to Women for America First regarding a demonstration at the Ellipse. “POTUS expectations are intimate and then send everyone over to the Capitol,” the message said, according to the report.

On Jan. 4, Kylie Jane Kremer wrote in a text message: “POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol.” She added: “It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the National Park Service and all the agencies, but POTUS is going to just call for it ‘unexpectedly.’”

On Dec. 29, 2020, the group initially sought the permit for the Jan. 6 rally at the Ellipse and “repeatedly” stated there would not be a march to the Capitol, the report said. The permit issued stated that it “does not authorize a march from the Ellipse” and that the organization would “not conduct an organized march from the Ellipse at the conclusion of the rally.”

So...Women for America First lied about their plans to march to the Capital?

LOL...Oh that's awful. FIFTY LASHES WITH REBOUND'S WET NOODLE!

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

That's all I need. 

The rest comes from observation. 

You see, stoopid, that's the difference between you and me: I'm a thinking American who takes in the information at hand, processes it, mulls it over, then comes to a logical, well informed, conclusion. You're just some empty headed jackass who parrots left-wing propaganda. 

I'm the jackass who posts evidence, while you got NADA.

Like the evidence of expert legal opinion from CONSERVATIVES.

While you post the "legal OPINION" from a farmer in Florida. LMAO

Edited December 21, 2023 by robosmith

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I'm the jackass who posts evidence, while you got NADA.

Like the evidence of expert legal opinion from CONSERVATIVES.

While you post the "legal OPINION" from a farmer in Florida. LMAO

One must wonder...if you see a truck coming at you...do you get outta the way? Or wait for some "expert" to tell you to move?

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Coordinated. Turns out, new evidence proves there was premediation and coordination between Donald Trump, White House Staff, and the Women for America First group, who applied for the rally permits for January 6. 

Jan. 6 Rally Organizers Lied About Plan to March to the Capitol, Report Finds

Women for America First, which planned the rally on the Ellipse, knew of President Donald J. Trump’s plans to have his supporters march to the Capitol but repeatedly denied it to federal permitting officials.

A pro-Trump group that organized the “Save America” rally in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, lied to federal officials about President Donald J. Trump’s plans to call on the crowd to march to the Capitol, where the protest over his election loss turned into a violent riot, according to a new inspector general investigation.

The report found that Women for America First, which organized a rally at the Ellipse about two miles from the Capitol on Jan. 6, “intentionally failed to disclose information” to the National Park Service “during the permitting process regarding a march to the U.S. Capitol.”

According to the investigation, Women for America First, which is run by Amy and Kylie Jane Kremer, a conservative mother-and-daughter team, repeatedly told Park Service officials there would be no march to the Capitol while privately planning for one.

When shown private text messages indicating there would be a march, a park ranger involved in the permitting process told investigators it “bl[ew her] mind,” the report said. The Park Service had repeatedly asked Women for America First whether there would be a march, and the organization “was just adamant there was gonna be no march.”

A White House liaison to the rally organizers sent a text message on Jan. 3 to Women for America First regarding a demonstration at the Ellipse. “POTUS expectations are intimate and then send everyone over to the Capitol,” the message said, according to the report.

On Jan. 4, Kylie Jane Kremer wrote in a text message: “POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol.” She added: “It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the National Park Service and all the agencies, but POTUS is going to just call for it ‘unexpectedly.’”

On Dec. 29, 2020, the group initially sought the permit for the Jan. 6 rally at the Ellipse and “repeatedly” stated there would not be a march to the Capitol, the report said. The permit issued stated that it “does not authorize a march from the Ellipse” and that the organization would “not conduct an organized march from the Ellipse at the conclusion of the rally.”

From now on, when people try to deny that it was a deadly insurrection which was so massive that it almost managed to conquer the United States of America, I'll say: "The 'Women for America First' said that they were just gonna have a rally at the Ellipse, but they were secretly planing to walk to the capitol to protest there". And then I'll make a face like ? and they'll say " ? Killing Ashley Babbit basically saved the United States from 1,000 years of tyranny!"

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I'm the jackass who posts evidence, while you got NADA.

 

You're just the jackass. You never post evidence. All you do is run around screaming ^^^^ThIS PoSt Is USEleSS without PROOOOOOOOFFF00FFFFF (thud! passes out)

When you post something it never says what you think it says. Or what you say it says.

You:  TRUMP IS GUILTY OF COLLUSION

Proof you post:  MUELLER:  "there is no evidence trump is guilty of collusion. "

You: SEE - TOLD YOU  HE WAS GUILTY.

 

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're just the jackass. You never post evidence. All you do is run around screaming ^^^^ThIS PoSt Is USEleSS without PROOOOOOOOFFF00FFFFF (thud! passes out)

At best robo is a cultist/propagandist.

He's not a rational, conscientious, concerned citizen who's able to discuss difficult topics with integrity, he's a halfwit who drinks from CNN's firehose of stupidity and then projectile vomits false narratives like Raegan with Pazuzu fever.  

If we all had him on our ignore lists he might go away, but we keep encouraging him by replying to his unglued drivel. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

One must wonder...if you see a truck coming at you...do you get outta the way? Or wait for some "expert" to tell you to move?

One must wonder... why you believe a truck on the road is complex enough to need expert analysis, in comparison to planning and implementation of hundreds of MAGA CULT to invade the Capitol and disrupt the EC VOTE COUNT. LMAO

There are still posters here who don't understand how disrupting the EC vote count COULD have overthrown the election if enough people had cooperated (like Pence did not).

Are you one of them STILL? I wouldn't be surprised since you're a Canuck and unfamiliar with the details of US Presidential Federal election laws.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

From now on, when people try to deny that it was a deadly insurrection which was so massive that it almost managed to conquer the United States of America, I'll say: "The 'Women for America First' said that they were just gonna have a rally at the Ellipse, but they were secretly planing to walk to the capitol to protest there". And then I'll make a face like ? and they'll say " ? Killing Ashley Babbit basically saved the United States from 1,000 years of tyranny!"

Thanks for revealing how deep your fantasies run. And just further destroying your credibility.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

At best robo is I'm a cultist/propagandist.

ftfy....

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

He's I'm not a rational, conscientious, concerned citizen who's able to discuss difficult topics with integrity, he's I'm a halfwit who drinks from CNN's firehose of stupidity and then projectile vomits false narratives like Raegan with Pazuzu fever.  

If we all had him me on our ignore lists he I might go away, but we keep encouraging him me by replying to his my unglued drivel. 

ftfy....

BTW, it's Reagan. Or Raygun (slang).

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

At best robo is a cultist/propagandist.

He's not a rational, conscientious, concerned citizen who's able to discuss difficult topics with integrity, he's a halfwit who drinks from CNN's firehose of stupidity and then projectile vomits false narratives like Raegan with Pazuzu fever.  

If we all had him on our ignore lists he might go away, but we keep encouraging him by replying to his unglued drivel. 

I'd miss the comic relief

It's scared to even talk to me these Days   I know he reads what i say because he'll reference it with someone else but i've got him so scared with calling him on bullcrap that he's petrified to even talk to me   And as long as you don't take him as a serious commentator his stuff is pretty hilarious

You just have to remember - he's not a real boy   lol

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

From now on, when people try to deny that it was a deadly insurrection which was so massive that it almost managed to conquer the United States of America, I'll say: "The 'Women for America First' said that they were just gonna have a rally at the Ellipse, but they were secretly planing to walk to the capitol to protest there". And then I'll make a face like ? and they'll say " ? Killing Ashley Babbit basically saved the United States from 1,000 years of tyranny!"

Cute, but you can’t point out how the organization that coordinated the rally directly with Donald Trump applied for a permit and lied on the application so as to reduce security at the Capitol. They clearly knew there would be a march to the Capitol, they said so, they said they were informed by the White House and they told one another not to mention it to the National Park Service. Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Sounds like premeditation to me. 

As for Ashli Babbit, my own opinion is that the Capitol Police did not do their job on January 6. Those Congressmen and women came very close to being attacked and killed, and the Capitol Police should have broken out the automatic weapons and mowed those rioters down until they ran wee wee wee all the way home.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Cute, but you can’t point out how the organization that coordinated the rally directly with Donald Trump applied for a permit and lied on the application so as to reduce security at the Capitol. They clearly knew there would be a march to the Capitol, they said so, they said they were informed by the White House and they told one another not to mention it to the National Park Service. Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Sounds like premeditation to me. 

As for Ashli Babbit, my own opinion is that the Capitol Police did not do their job on January 6. Those Congressmen and women came very close to being attacked and killed, and the Capitol Police should have broken out the automatic weapons and mowed those rioters down until they ran wee wee wee all the way home.

Dude, you guys are making an absolutely MASSIVE accusation based on a 3 hr long, completely unarmed riot where the POTUS asked for peace no less than 3 times.

You f'ing maggots cheered on 3 full years worth of violent riots, including the takeover of part of Seattle, a 100-day siege of a federal building in Portland, and an attack on the WH that injured over 60 Secret Service agents.

All the God-damned leftards in the US don't have enough credibility to take out a library book, let alone accuse someone else of trying to overthrow the gov't. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Dude, you guys are making an absolutely MASSIVE accusation based on a 3 hr long, completely unarmed riot where the POTUS asked for peace no less than 3 times.

Nope. Just cause you are completely ignorant about all the events leading up to the Capitol invasion and even what happened AFTER they left, does not mean there is NOT extensive evidence of the planning and INTENT behind it.

You apparently don't even know about the fake  slates of electors who were a key part of the plan.

Did you ever even figure out what a contingent election is and how Trump tried to use to change the results? LMAO

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You f'ing maggots cheered on 3 full years worth of violent riots, including the takeover of part of Seattle, a 100-day siege of a federal building in Portland, and an attack on the WH that injured over 60 Secret Service agents.

^This has nothing to do with Jan 6th. Just your whataboutism excuses.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

All the God-damned leftards in the US don't have enough credibility to take out a library book, let alone accuse someone else of trying to overthrow the gov't. 

Your OPINION is noted and REJECTED as wrong. 

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

One must wonder... why you believe a truck on the road is complex enough to need expert analysis, in comparison to planning and implementation of hundreds of MAGA CULT to invade the Capitol and disrupt the EC VOTE COUNT. LMAO

There are still posters here who don't understand how disrupting the EC vote count COULD have overthrown the election if enough people had cooperated (like Pence did not).

Are you one of them STILL? I wouldn't be surprised since you're a Canuck and unfamiliar with the details of US Presidential Federal election laws.

Democracy is only held together by people. If Milley and Pence and a few others were committed enough, Trump would have stayed in power despite losing.  
 

Jan 6 was absolutely crazy.  Trump lost, plain and simple.  

Edited December 22, 2023 by Rebound