Wedge Issues -Federal Canada

[PIK]

18 hours ago, I am Groot said:

A wedge issue will be Trudeauj and the Liberals finding some Conservative somewhere, maybe a candidate, maybe a spokesthingee or a fund raiser or someone associated with security - doesn't matter - someone they can point to and say "He's a racist!" Then they'll wave at the entire party and say "See!? They're white supremacists! Or... sort of like white supermacists... or anyway, they tolerate white supremacists! Be scared! Vote Liberal! Be scared visible minorities! They hate you! Save yourselves! Vote Liberal!"

Did it last election. Did it the election before that. They'll do it again. Because it doesn't matter if most people dismiss it. All they need to do is sow doubt among people who are fairly new to Canada and whose English isn't all that good and whose knowledge of politics here is even worse.

 

 

Like the candidate peeing in a cup? Couldn't believe it, but made me laugh. This time will be different, Trudeau purged the liberal party of the smart ones, they are just a shadow of them selves. 

[August1991]

On 12/31/2023 at 1:25 PM, Army Guy said:

How do we go from we Canadians get along to NATO...your response are very cryptic, not sure if it is a language problem, or if your not understanding my posts...

First Russia is still alive and well, infact they have decided to start grabbing some of it's old territory back, by military force....

NATO was created to contain the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is no more.

Russia? This is something else.

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Army Guy (and any others), I created a thread on this issue.

Edited January 14, 2024 by August1991

[August1991]

On 1/9/2024 at 10:05 PM, I am Groot said:

A wedge issue will be Trudeauj and the Liberals finding some Conservative somewhere, maybe a candidate, maybe a spokesthingee or a fund raiser or someone associated with security - doesn't matter - someone they can point to and say "He's a racist!" Then they'll wave at the entire party and say "See!? They're white supremacists! Or... sort of like white supermacists... or anyway, they tolerate white supremacists! Be scared! Vote Liberal! Be scared visible minorities! They hate you! Save yourselves! Vote Liberal!"

Did it last election. Did it the election before that. They'll do it again. Because it doesn't matter if most people dismiss it. All they need to do is sow doubt among people who are fairly new to Canada and whose English isn't all that good and whose knowledge of politics here is even worse.

 

 

No. You have absolutely no idea of a wedge issue.

Unions speak of "scabs" - people who cross picket lines.

We Canadians somehow cross picket lines.

 

[August1991]

On 1/10/2024 at 5:11 PM, PIK said:

Like the candidate peeing in a cup? Couldn't believe it, but made me laugh. This time will be different, Trudeau purged the liberal party of the smart ones, they are just a shadow of them selves. 

At present in federal Canada, there is no wedge issue based on language/religion.

We Canadians are divided - but not on language, religion. 

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

At present in federal Canada, there is no wedge issue based on language/religion.

We Canadians are divided - but not on language, religion. 

The last poll I saw said almost 40% of Quebecers, which means pretty close to a majority of Francophones, still support separatism. Their only reason is language.

[herbie]

On 12/19/2023 at 11:08 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Do Francophone schools in Quebec have students sing the national anthem in the mornings like much of the rest of the country?  I'm beginning to think most do not:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/schools-should-sing-national-anthem-says-st-lazare-resident-1.1331635

Do they sign the anthem in indigenous schools on reserves?

Have your attendant roll you back into the corner FFS. That shit ended in about 1963. We're not drones that must prove we're Canadian by bending a knee and licking the flag.

You present this of all things as a "divisive issue" ?

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Have your attendant roll you back into the corner FFS. That shit ended in about 1963. We're not drones that must prove we're Canadian by bending a knee and licking the flag.

You present this of all things as a "divisive issue" ?

YA...we don't want anything to do with patriotism, that shit might catch on, and we will have to stop think about ourselves first...and that would be bad...

[Nationalist]

On 12/20/2023 at 5:58 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Politicians like wedge issues that they can win.

Nobody would force a national anthem law, other than a regional party who wanted to stoke division.

Ya why is that?

I remember singing the anthem and reciting the Lord's Prayer every morning in school.

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Have your attendant roll you back into the corner FFS. That shit ended in about 1963. We're not drones that must prove we're Canadian by bending a knee and licking the flag.

You present this of all things as a "divisive issue" ?

That shit?

Patriotism and a firm belief in Gawd instills respect and honor. Neither of which you exhibit.

Do you think it's just coincidence that once these acts were dropped,  that the moral decline took hold?

What are you afraid of? That you might have to hold yourself to a higher standard?

Edited January 15, 2024 by Nationalist

[herbie]

"The moral decline" started when people with  views that which came before was better felt emboldened enough to spout their views without feeling embarrassed.
One day you'll be old enough to realize patriotism is like Christianity, those who claim to be the loudest, are the least. Mere slaves to tradition.

 

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Do you think it's just coincidence that once these acts were dropped,  that the moral decline took hold?

Declined from what and where?  An illusion for more than a few Canadians - deference for that illusion is all that's gone into decline and it seems to be increasing.

I think shattering anachronistic notions would be a sounder foundation for a nation actually but I'd add a new twist to that, acting locally and thinking globally.

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What are you afraid of? That you might have to hold yourself to a higher standard?

Remember when we were taught to believe a higher standard was something Canada exported to the world? And no I don't mean things like new and improved ways to colonize it or extradite people to dictatorships.

[August1991]

On 1/14/2024 at 10:28 AM, I am Groot said:

The last poll I saw said almost 40% of Quebecers, which means pretty close to a majority of Francophones, still support separatism. Their only reason is language.

Trudeau Snr defined a civilised society as how the majority treats the minority.

I have a slightly different measure:

A civilised society is when a minority votes for a majority candidate - yet given a minority candidate.

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Ed Broadbent recently died. He did not understand Canada. I recall Broadbent describing nationalism as tribalism.

[I am Groot]

17 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Trudeau Snr defined a civilised society as how the majority treats the minority.

I have a slightly different measure:

A civilised society is when a minority votes for a majority candidate - yet given a minority candidate.

And when was the last time Quebecers voted for a candidate not from Quebec when it had Quebec candidates available?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Declined from what and where?  An illusion for more than a few Canadians - deference for that illusion is all that's gone into decline and it seems to be increasing.

I think shattering anachronistic notions would be a sounder foundation for a nation actually but I'd add a new twist to that, acting locally and thinking globally.

Remember when we were taught to believe a higher standard was something Canada exported to the world? And no I don't mean things like new and improved ways to colonize it or extradite people to dictatorships.

Instilling a sense of pride in one's nation is essential for creating and maintaining a cohesive society. The morality and lessons of Christianity, regardless of the organization's checkered history, provide a solid base for a society.

You want to undo all of that. That's destructive not enlightened.

The acts of Leftists are clearly filled with and based on a hatred of the pillars of society. That direction cannot magically produce positive results. 

[August1991]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And when was the last time Quebecers voted for a candidate not from Quebec when it had Quebec candidates available?

You clearly don't know Canada's history.

And BTW, the issue was not language or even province, it was religion.

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, August1991 said:

You clearly don't know Canada's history.

And BTW, the issue was not language or even province, it was religion.

You didn't answer the question. Probably because the answer is "Never", and right up until this day, long past where religion mattered to Quebecers.

The Liberals rotate between English/French leaders. But whenever they have an English (ie, non-Quebec) leader Quebecers turn away. The last Liberal leader who was English who became PM was Lester Pearson back in 1958. Liberal English leaders have a very short lifespan.

The last Tory leader who got significant votes in Quebec was Brian Mulroney, a Quebecer. 

The last and only NDP leader to get significant votes in Quebec was Jack Layton, also a Quebecer. 

Edited January 16, 2024 by I am Groot

[PIK]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You didn't answer the question. Probably because the answer is "Never", and right up until this day, long past where religion mattered to Quebecers.

The Liberals rotate between English/French leaders. But whenever they have an English (ie, non-Quebec) leader Quebecers turn away. The last Liberal leader who was English who became PM was Lester Pearson back in 1958. Liberal English leaders have a very short lifespan.

The last Tory leader who got significant votes in Quebec was Brian Mulroney, a Quebecer. 

The last and only NDP leader to get significant votes in Quebec was Jack Layton, also a Quebecer. 

Stephen Harper won with 5 seats, who cares.

[August1991]

On 1/16/2024 at 5:57 PM, I am Groot said:

You didn't answer the question. Probably because the answer is "Never", and right up until this day, long past where religion mattered to Quebecers.

The Liberals rotate between English/French leaders. But whenever they have an English (ie, non-Quebec) leader Quebecers turn away. The last Liberal leader who was English who became PM was Lester Pearson back in 1958. Liberal English leaders have a very short lifespan.

The last Tory leader who got significant votes in Quebec was Brian Mulroney, a Quebecer. 

The last and only NDP leader to get significant votes in Quebec was Jack Layton, also a Quebecer. 

Joe Clark and Brian Mulroney were Catholic. Turner was Catholic. Paul Martin was Catholic.

Stephen Harper was Protestant.

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, August1991 said:

Joe Clark and Brian Mulroney were Catholic. Turner was Catholic. Paul Martin was Catholic.

Stephen Harper was Protestant.

That's nice. But the only who got many seats was the Quebecer. 

[August1991]

On 1/18/2024 at 5:39 PM, I am Groot said:

That's nice. But the only who got many seats was the Quebecer. 

Seats? Harper got more seats in Quebec in 2011 than Duceppe.

We Canadians vote across religious/linguistic lines.

Protestants vote for a Catholic candidate, and so on.

Edited January 20, 2024 by August1991