Freeland or Carney more popular choices for Liberal Leader than Trudeau, survey finds (but still not popular. Interesting read)

[CdnFox]

https://archive.ph/bGSp8

Highlights:

Eighteen per cent of respondents said Ms. Freeland, was the most appealing potential candidate for Liberal leader.

 

Mr. Carney, the former governor of both the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England, came in at 15 per cent.

 

Mr. Trudeau has been Liberal Leader since 2013 and Prime Minister since 2015. He polled at just 9 per cent in the same survey.

 

Almost a quarter of respondents said they found none of the listed candidates appealing and 19 per cent said they were unsure.

Other possible leadership contenders were Treasury Board President Anita Anand, who got 5 per cent, and Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly, at 4 per cent. Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne, Housing Minister Sean Fraser and Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc each got 2 per cent.

 

SO - basically people preferred NOBODY to any of the available choices

I think we just discovered why the party isn't demanding trudeau step down just yet.  A change right now might make things even worse and probably won't be better.

Edited December 19, 2023 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

Can it get any worse?

The Liberals have got to be disposed of post haste.

[Moonbox]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

SO - basically people preferred NOBODY to any of the available choices

I think we just discovered why the party isn't demanding trudeau step down just yet.  A change right now might make things even worse and probably won't be better.

Interesting take, considering the article shows two people that were clearly preferred over Trudeau, and one of them hasn't been part of the Canadian political landscape for 10 years and a lot of people (especially younger folk) wouldn't know at all.  

I think what this article actually shows is how badly a job Trudeau has done and how deeply unpopular he is.  Chrystia Freeland is not popular, but still twice as popular as him.  Mark Carney has been out of the arena for 10 years, but is still almost twice as popular.  Anita Anand is a nobody, but comes up in the news often enough that she's not far off Trudeau in popularity.  That's pathetic.  

On Poilievre:

A significant portion of respondents, 46 per cent, also did not want Mr. Poilievre to lead the Conservative Party. However, more wanted him to stay on as leader, at 32 per cent. Twenty-two per cent said they had no preference or were unsure.

The numbers are in line with how he has polled since December, 2022, suggesting that the Conservative Party’s significant ad campaign has done little to change opinion of their leader, said Mr. Nanos.

“It’s not an embrace and a massive endorsement of Pierre Poilievre, and the Conservatives, it’s more of a rejection of the Liberals and Justin Trudeau.”

 

A bigger question to raise, I think is who would want to lead the Liberals in the next election?  Sounds like a sucker's job to me.  

 

 

[Nefarious Banana]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

https://archive.ph/bGSp8

Highlights:

Eighteen per cent of respondents said Ms. Freeland, was the most 'appealing' potential candidate for Liberal leadership.

appealing or appalling . . . .

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Interesting take, considering the article shows two people that were clearly preferred over Trudeau, and one of them hasn't been part of the Canadian political landscape for 10 years and a lot of people (especially younger folk) wouldn't know at all. 

Its interesting in the sense that it's surprising that it could get that bad for the liberals.

And "clearly preferred"  is accurate - but their approval is SO LOW you would normally expect a leader to be at the very least higher than that.  Seriously - 'none of the above' darn near comes close to beating the two 'front runners' combined. i dont know that i've ever seen that before in Canada.

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

think what this article actually shows is how badly a job Trudeau has done and how deeply unpopular he is. 

Well there's little doubt about that. It's a remarkably bad showing for him.  I don' t think that comes as a surprise to anyone, 8th year, economy is horrible, interest high, nobody is going to be liked in that situation and people have other reasons on top.

But setting carney aside for a moment, when you look at the other major liberal players who were mentioned and  who have been in the public eye for some time now the scores are unbelievably low. Some might even argue undeservedly low in a couple cases.  These people have been front and center in the liberal team.

And that suggests strongly that it's not just trudeau but the liberal brand which has been very badly tarnished.

I believe for many the liberal party IS trudeau in their minds, and the party as a whole is wearing the dislike people have for him.

As to pierre - there is more than enough polling to prove conclusively that Canadians in general are warming up to him nicely but that's a separate discussion.

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A bigger question to raise, I think is who would want to lead the Liberals in the next election?  Sounds like a sucker's job to me.

Well this is their issue i think. If justin stepped down now - who would be stupid enough to run knowing full well that if they lose they're gone - that is an unshakeable liberal party rule often quoted.  You'd have to be a complete 1diot.

After the next election when he steps down... it's still a hell of a risk.  Most PM's get 2 full terms (even if it's made up of minorities). And honestly Justin has left things so bad that they're bound to get better with minimal effort so it's not like PP will have to create miracles to look good.

Freeland is largely unelectable for several reasons . other than a sacrifice to wait till the 8 years is up she's useless.

Carney would likely be the best bet if they could pull him.  He doesn't wear the liberal shame for the justin era, he would look more to the right without being too right, he's a staunch supporter of carbon taxes etc.

But he's never fought a campaign in his life. He was out of canada for a long time and missed a lot of the cultural nuance and is an 'elite' who doesn't get the problems of the average person  well.

I don't know - honestly, i think the libs are hooped for 8 years and we'll have to see if anyone shows up during that time, because if not then we could see the first 3 term prime minister in a while.

I'd say have carney win a seat next election, have him run for leadership in the election defeat after that, and finally run for PM in the election that follows 8 years after pp wins. 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

But setting carney aside for a moment, when you look at the other major liberal players who were mentioned and  who have been in the public eye for some time now the scores are unbelievably low. Some might even argue undeservedly low in a couple cases.  These people have been front and center in the liberal team.

Freeland has the public eye and has been front-and-centre.  Aside from Carney, the rest of them are nobodies - tokens and talking heads.  Melanie Joly is a hottie so she gets some camera time, but I don't get the impression she's setting policy, and even if she was it would be as the Foreign Minister for a PM who's done nothing but embarrass himself and Canada internationally. 

Carney is a heavyweight, but he's been out of the public eye too long and a lot of people don't know who he is.  He'd also be taking over a sinking ship.  If he ever does run, I suspect it would be 2 elections from now.  He's the sort of very different Liberal the party would need to rehabilitate and reimagine their image, and would offer something that Trudeau never could:  A brain.  

 

[Guest]

Freeland is definitely more capable, but I can't get over her face that often looks like she just smelled the most putrid fart,  is offended and is too polite to say anything:

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Perspektiv

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Freeland is definitely more capable, but I can't get over her face that often looks like she just smelled the most putrid fart,  is offended and is too polite to say anything:

 

The voice doesn't help either.

Things like that should not matter - but they do. She's just not really electible.

[Legato]

If the poisoned dwarf is the best the Libs can come up with, oh dear...

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Legato said:

If the poisoned dwarf is the best the Libs can come up with, oh dear...

 

 

 

She just always looks like she's just recovering from a cocaine addiction.

[eyeball]

From the OP / G&M article;

However, the new polling shows the two statistically tied for preferred prime minister, at 37 per cent for Mr. Poilievre, and 36 per cent for Mr. Trudeau.

If this is the point at which Poilievre and whoever replaces Trudeau start there are a couple things to consider. Poilievre has had to rise to this starting point and he's risen quickly because Trudeau has fallen quickly. If this is Trudeau's lowest point his replacement would probably have nowhere to go but up.

it's just to bad there wasn't a real appetite for obliterating the Liberal Party.

A world class truly progressive choice would be great. A blend of Bernie Sanders, Noam Chomsky and of course a good dose of Michael Chong for good measure.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

If this is the point at which Poilievre and whoever replaces Trudeau start there are a couple things to consider. Poilievre has had to rise to this starting point and he's risen quickly because Trudeau has fallen quickly. If this is Trudeau's lowest point his replacement would probably have nowhere to go but up.

Well that's what the argument was for mulroney to step down too.  Kim Campbell showed that there is no such thing as 'bottom', and it can go the other way as well.

THe smart play for the libs is Let the public have their vengance and vote him out and 'punish' the liberal party, then get set up for the next one.  By then PP will have a track record and NOBODY is so perfect that there's nothing to pick on, and the memory of this complete disaster of a period in our history might soften a bit.

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The voice doesn't help either.

Things like that should not matter - but they do. She's just not really electible.

She's a globalist toadie.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

She's a globalist toadie.

Toadette you sexist pig.

[Nationalist]

52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Toadette you sexist pig.

LOL...ok ok...ya got me there.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

LOL...ok ok...ya got me there.

mind you i probably shouldn't assume her gender. She could be a toadette identifying as a toad. The face she makes does remind me of what that might look like.

Hey - if the water turns a transgender frog gay .. how would we know? Send an email to freeland and jones and see if we can get to the bottom of this.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

mind you i probably shouldn't assume her gender. She could be a toadette identifying as a toad. The face she makes does remind me of what that might look like.

Hey - if the water turns a transgender frog gay .. how would we know? Send an email to freeland and jones and see if we can get to the bottom of this.

Yup...her nastiness parallels her homeliness.

[August1991]

Like Donald Trump, Mark Carney has a HUGE ego