A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

First question you would ask is why would they pick Christmas? The cherry picking at play is truly a work of art.

And why it triggered you... and you needed to mention it.

Chaek and mate...

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

That's your loss, you missed again. 

I wasn't part of this discussion with you, until you felt the need to play White night to a retarded comment that climate change from humans doesn't exist.

Just now, OftenWrong said:

And why it triggered you... 

No, I commented on why the data was suspicious.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

So Henny Penny was right all along?

Only seems that way to lDIOTS.

In FACT the "sky" is heating up the planet cause increasing CO2 acts like a thermal BLANKET.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ah more fear mongering.

"AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

We know you've lost the argument when your response is PURE HYPERBOLE.

In FACT only SOME will die from climate change. Duh

More and more as time passes and nothing is done.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Every couple months, some scared little Tweenkie has to try to strike fear and panic in people with doomsday predictions. And every time...the predictions are wrong.

The only visible change is the economy...which tanks as a direct result of this chickenshit.

Do you understand what a "tipping point" is yet?

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Adapt to what?

How about grow some trees. I was ridiculed by carbon technology zealots here twenty years ago for suggesting this simple economical effective option. Now, people are screaming for it.

By he way, how is that promise Trudeau made to plant 2 billion trees coming along?

Not so good I believe.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9638864/trudeau-liberals-two-billion-tree-planting-promise/

'Nuther virtue signaller in the crowd. The king himself. I guess he has a lot of you people fooled, eh.

....

Anyway back to defending self from ad hominem misinformed types who give ups to others who are also misinformed, then attack the posters. And never post any really relevant, on topic material. Let alone cite something...

Edited December 17, 2023 by OftenWrong

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You gotta love this sh*t.

These Thunbergians have completely swallowed the 'end-is-nigh' koolaid

so deep it goes straight through...

 

Only you right wingers are fear mongering with  "the 'end-is-nigh' koolaid"

In FACT the physics is real whether you understand it or not.

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Only seems that way to lDIOTS.

In FACT the "sky" is heating up the planet cause increasing CO2 acts like a thermal BLANKET.

Uh huh. What like one degree so far, and the end is nigh... start building them underground bunkers with the greenhouse. You'll need guns as well. Expect Mel Gibson to make an announcement shortly...

[robosmith]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

Uh huh. What like one degree so far, and the end is nigh...

We know you've lost the argument when your response is PURE HYPERBOLE.

Just now, OftenWrong said:

 

start building them underground bunkers with the greenhouse. You'll need guns as well. Expect Mel Gibson to make an announcement shortly...

Do you understand what a "tipping point" is yet?

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I was ridiculed by carbon technology zealots here twenty years ago for suggesting this simple economical effective option.

What is a carbon technology zealot exactly - someone like Danielle Smith perhaps?

[Legato]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

We know you've lost the argument when your response is PURE HYPERBOLE.

Do you understand what a "tipping point" is yet?

That's the place where the garbage trucks dump the trash into the land fill. The trucks are currently filled with failed climate predictions and computer models with broken al gore rhythm's

[Legato]

29 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I wasn't part of this discussion with you, until you felt the need to play White night to a retarded comment that climate change from humans doesn't exist.

No, I commented on why the data was suspicious.

Ha yes as not well predicted, the climate takes a holiday at Christmas.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

 

1884

2022

 

 

 

 

 

Wow - I'm constantly amazed at the quality of the satellite thermal imaging they had in 1884....

[Guest]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Wow - I'm constantly amazed at the quality of the satellite thermal imaging they had in 1884....

Heh, what I thought as well. A couple pedaled balloons sending out people with gas masks up to check. The balloons came back, intact O_o

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I’ve had a good run as well but my grand kids matter.

So whining about climate change does anything?

You can't force people to change, you can't shame people to change. You should incentivize change and innovation. Once you have the best possible product at an affordable rate, people will flock to it. Consumers won't give a crap that the globe has 20 years or whatever left.

People need to be pragmatic about this. Like I said, I couldn't care less. I do my part, so I don't understand how I should feel stress or guilty about this. If its my time, its my time O_o

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Anything right of Castro a well known left wing mantra, attack the messenger.

When are you going to attack Nasa?

Politics cares about climate. Little people trying to understand big things and failing miserably.

NASA has satellites that measure things like ice loss and sea levels, they compile data. Climate doesn't give a shit about politics but you can't stop yourself from making everything political.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, robosmith said:

More and more

Plenty is being done. Change takes time. Eliminating fuel, takes generations. And you can't fully eliminate it, until you've replaced it with something that makes sense.

Plastic recycling being a prime example, at people not being pragmatic.

Shaming people into plastic recycling, when most of it winds up in the landfill (over 95%). Corporations push their straw less alternatives and how they're helping the planet, but behind the smoke screens, all of this crap just about, is going in the garbage.

EV's are similar. Shame culture pushing this technology that still isn't ready for the prime time, yet hybrid technologies could dramatically reduce emissions while still keeping cars incredibly reliable. Same could be said with freight trucks.

[Aristides]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Wow - I'm constantly amazed at the quality of the satellite thermal imaging they had in 1884....

Not surprised that you can't comprehend charts compiled from ocean temperature and salinity data collected starting in the early 1800's by Humbolt. Much of it coming from readings taken by Royal Navy ships as they travelled all over the world.

 

I guess ignorance can be a wonderful thing for some.

Edited December 17, 2023 by Aristides

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Consumers won't give a crap that the globe has 20 years or whatever left.

Yup, if I was 75 or so and I knew an asteroid would hit us in 20 years I'd be some pissed off if I had to pay so much as a dime to prevent it.

They can adapt on their own damn dime in 20 years.

[Aristides]

34 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So whining about climate change does anything?

You can't force people to change, you can't shame people to change. You should incentivize change and innovation. Once you have the best possible product at an affordable rate, people will flock to it. Consumers won't give a crap that the globe has 20 years or whatever left.

People need to be pragmatic about this. Like I said, I couldn't care less. I do my part, so I don't understand how I should feel stress or guilty about this. If its my time, its my time O_o

Who said I feel guilty. It's just hard to understand the wilful ignorance that comes from many. There is no snow on the Canadian prairies and it's almost Christmas. Grain farmers rely on snow melt for their crops. Things like drought also affect consumer prices. Lack of water in California has resulted in millions of acres of farm land losing their water supply and that is where were get most of our vegetables. Is the drought just weather or climate, well the fact that droughts are getting longer and more severe could be a clue. 

Some Canadians like to go on about  the amount of forest we have to absorb carbon. Last summer we burned up 16.5 million hectares (almost 41 million acres) of our carbon sink. Any guesses how long it will take the new forest to absorb the carbon released by those fires, never mind all the new carbon we are pumping into the air from fossil fuels?
 

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Not surprised that you can't comprehend charts compiled from ocean temperature and salinity data collected starting in the early 1800's by Humbolt. Much of it coming from readings taken by Royal Navy ships as they travelled all over the world.

 

Nor surprised someone drew a scary picture and you freaked out

By choosing the colour pallette and range they make the picture look however they want. I could take the same graphic with the same data and make it look like there's been barely any change.

But someone created something that isn't real and you couldn't puzzle it out and were shocked!!! "My god i have to let the internet know!!!!"  AAAAAAAAAHHHHH

It's a fake pic made to look threatening.  Sorry.

 

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I guess ignorance can be a wonderful thing for some.

Well i'm glad you're enjoying it.

[Aristides]

Don't know why this is in US Federal Politics, it's a global issue.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Last summer we burned up 16.5 million hectares (almost 41 million acres) of our carbon sink.

Am assuming your solution to this is a tax on those who pollute, right? 

Issue with that tax if so, is that it literally has not done a thing it has promised to do.

Fires will continue to rage with or without it. 

Remove plastic bags and cutlery, still has you using plastics for wrapping foods, waste, and many of the products you regularly use. Laptop, computer, you name it. We need fuel. 

Am not denying climate change. I am denying there is a need to be alarmed about it, when any wage of changes wouldn't be seen for generations.

If a need to be alarmed is there, okay, good. It still doesn't make solutions happen any quicker, and people would have to accept we are f***ed.

Either way, I do my part, but just don't understand those who do, just do they can virtue signal to others.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Who said I feel guilty. It's just hard to understand the wilful ignorance that comes from many.

You mean like the millions who thought the carbon tax would change anything? Yeah - Hard to fathom people that stupid.

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There is no snow on the Canadian prairies and it's almost Christmas.

Last year was a brutal winter with below average temperatures.  Does that mean we had global cooling?

This is the reason so few take climate change seriously. 

When it's cold - "HEY, THATS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE CHANGE ISN"T ABOUT WEATHER.

When it's hot -  "SEE????? YOU SEEEEEE THE CLIMATE CHANGE?!?!? IT"S RIGHT THERE IN THE WEATHER!!!!!"

 

If people like you actually believed climate change was serious you'd have taken it seriously from the get go.  You woudln't pretend having people buy their oil from russia instead of Canada was saving the planet. You wouldn't have believed a carbon tax would do a damn thing in the slightest. You sure as crap woudn't have been voting liberal or ndp.

So you're really not in a position to have much to say to anyone else about climate change or denial.

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Am assuming your solution to this is a tax on those who pollute, right? 

Issue with that tax if so, is that it literally has not done a thing it has promised to do.

Fires will continue to rage with or without it. 

Remove plastic bags and cutlery, still has you using plastics for wrapping foods, waste, and many of the products you regularly use. Laptop, computer, you name it. We need fuel. 

Am not denying climate change. I am denying there is a need to be alarmed about it, when any wage of changes wouldn't be seen for generations.

If a need to be alarmed is there, okay, good. It still doesn't make solutions happen any quicker, and people would have to accept we are f***ed.

Either way, I do my part, but just don't understand those who do, just do they can virtue signal to others.

Yes, the results of any changes will not be seen for a long time but things will just keep accelerating and be more severe the longer we resist change. I'm a car guy, I'd love to have everything remain the same so I don't have to change anything but I've come to realize that is no longer an option.

No, I don't think a tax is the answer to everything and its effect is definitely debatable. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

No, I don't think a tax is the answer to everything and its effect is definitely debatable. 

The effect really isn't debateable . We have hard data now. It's useless.  You have to very specifically cherry pick numbers and avoid other numbers to even make it look like it's working at all.  It just isn't.

The idea in the beginning was that energy costs were "elastic" and people could make changes to use less and spend less if incentivised.  This turned out to be completely false, and it's not elastic at all.  People still have to heat their homes. People still have to drive to work and to pick up the kids.  So what they do is cut back in other areas. Like the quality of their food.

We know at this point the tax has failed. Other solutions would be necessary