Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rebound said: Can you show me evidence that solar and wind power are more expensive than other forms of electricity generation? No, you cannot. That’s because they are the cheapest forms of electricity generation. The US Federal Energy Information Administration, under the DoE, produces an annual report which calculates the cost of electricity generation, which accounts for all factors including capital costs. First, they estimate that between 2023 and 2028, about 2 gigabits of gas turbine generation capacity will be added to America’s electric grid, while 30 gigabits and 21 gigabits of wind and solar generation will be added. Zero nuclear, coal or other. And that’s because wind and solar are far less expensive, but, in some isolated cases, mostly due to distribution, gas turbine is more cost-effective to deploy. The cost of coal works out to $90 per megawatt hour, nuclear is $71, hydro $57, onshore wind is $31 and solar is just $23.22. So, as usual, you’re completely FOS. Source: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/electricity_generation/pdf/AEO2023_LCOE_report.pdf https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/ Ya...unreliable. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1124448463/germany-coal-energy-crisis Lol. Dumb people made dumb decisions and...oops...fire up the coal again. They could have just left things as is while working on other tech but...that wasn't woke enough. No they just had to virtue signal and now what? Dumb fcks. Edited January 4 by Nationalist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 53 minutes ago, Nationalist said: https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/ Ya...unreliable. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1124448463/germany-coal-energy-crisis Lol. Dumb people made dumb decisions and...oops...fire up the coal again. They could have just left things as is while working on other tech but...that wasn't woke enough. No they just had to virtue signal and now what? Dumb fcks. For F’s sake… Texas’ wind turbines froze, AND their other power generators failed, because they went cheap and built them without protection from freezing temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-winter-storm-freezes-texas-wind-turbines-hampering-electric-generation/4483230001/ Ya...unreliable. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1124448463/germany-coal-energy-crisis Lol. Dumb people made dumb decisions and...oops...fire up the coal again. They could have just left things as is while working on other tech but...that wasn't woke enough. No they just had to virtue signal and now what? Dumb fcks. They have been able to deice aircraft propellers since the 1930's, maybe Texas should have used a bit of that technology. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 11 minutes ago, Rebound said: For F’s sake… Texas’ wind turbines froze, AND their other power generators failed, because they went cheap and built them without protection from freezing temps. "Global Warming" ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 5 minutes ago, Rebound said: For F’s sake… Texas’ wind turbines froze, AND their other power generators failed, because they went cheap and built them without protection from freezing temps. well it's not like canada hasn't had it's own experiences with wind - lets see how that went..... Turbine issues are still blowing in the wind across the province Health concerns must be balanced with energy benefits, advocates argue https://obj.ca/turbine-issues-are-still-blowing-in-the-wind-across-the-province/ The failure of a wind turbine at the Bow Lake wind power facility near Sault Ste. Marie is raising questions about safety around the giant industrial structures and current Ontario… https://www.windconcernsontario.ca/category/setbacks/ Ontario family says wind turbines have made life a ‘nightmare’ https://globalnews.ca/news/3490234/ontario-wind-turbines-family-complaints/ Hmmmm. Well it sounds like they wasted a lot of money on something that caused a lot of problems before they eventually largely shut it down. The day will come when we have true energy storage options and then large scale repacement of the grid would be possible, But in the meantime its mostly going to come from water, nukes and gas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: "Global Warming" ... Still haven't learned the difference between weather and climate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 31 minutes ago, Rebound said: For F’s sake… Texas’ wind turbines froze, AND their other power generators failed, because they went cheap and built them without protection from freezing temps. They failed.! 21 minutes ago, Aristides said: They have been able to deice aircraft propellers since the 1930's, maybe Texas should have used a bit of that technology. Maybe. Fact is they failed. Not reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 50 minutes ago, Aristides said: Still haven't learned the difference between weather and climate. Yes I do. Climate is a process over 100 years. Meanwhile you chicken-littles can go hide under the bed when there's a bad thunderstorm. The sky is falling! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Yes I do. Climate is a process over 100 years. Meanwhile you chicken-littles can go hide under the bed when there's a bad thunderstorm. The sky is falling! https://www.weather.gov/climateservices/CvW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Rebound said: https://www.weather.gov/climateservices/CvW Long answer that says exactly what I said, but I said it more succinctly. I know these matters are complex, have you people's heads spinning round and round. They've got you right where they want you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Long answer that says exactly what I said, but I said it more succinctly. I know these matters are complex, have you people's heads spinning round and round. They've got you right where they want you. Oh? Where did you get the 100 year figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: They failed.! Maybe. Fact is they failed. Not reliable. Because they weren't designed to handle ice. Alberta has lots of wind farms and it is a hell of a lot colder than Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Because they weren't designed to handle ice. Alberta has lots of wind farms and it is a hell of a lot colder than Texas. And? It's unreliable.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 12 hours ago, Nationalist said: They failed.! Maybe. Fact is they failed. Not reliable. According to ERCOT, you mooron, it was primarily electricity generated by natural gas which was the primary failure during the 2021 Texas blackout. Pesky facts getting in the way of your Neanderthal politics! https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2023/0117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: According to ERCOT, you mooron, it was primarily electricity generated by natural gas which was the primary failure during the 2021 Texas blackout. Pesky facts getting in the way of your Neanderthal politics! https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2023/0117 Your windmills failed.! Suck it up buttercup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Your windmills failed.! Suck it up buttercup. Your fossil fuel generation failed! You’re just a frickin moroon. Besides, the chart from ERCOT shows that wind generation continued at fairly consistent amounts throughout the blackout, while their nuclear AND coal power both went 100% offline on February 15. Edited January 4 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And? It's unreliable.! If the Texas ones were that was their fault. Many northern countries have wind farms and they are reliable. The North Sea is full of them. The world's largest floating wind farm is off the coast of Norway. 20% of Sweden's and 17% of Finland's power comes from wind farms. Edited January 4 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Rebound said: Your fossil fuel generation failed! It kinda feels like it's actually a pretty successful and popular option. There's a few countries using it now And to get rid of it, we need solutions that are just as successful and can do the job just as well for the same or less price. And right now we don't have that. Sure we can deploy solar (wind has issues) and we can use that to supplement our main power generation. Why not? But - it's usless to discuss anything other than nukes right now as a viable alternative if hydro is not available. Hopefully the tech will emerge soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 31 minutes ago, Rebound said: Your fossil fuel generation failed! You’re just a frickin moroon. Besides, the chart from ERCOT shows that wind generation continued at fairly consistent amounts throughout the blackout, while their nuclear AND coal power both went 100% offline on February 15. No. They were shut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: No. They were shut down. Right. Texas just decided to turn off their power plants to prank the whole state. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 18 hours ago, Rebound said: Right. Texas just decided to turn off their power plants to prank the whole state. Got it. "In a statement to Reuters via email, Paul Goydan, a senior partner at Boston Consulting Group who leads the firm’s energy practice in North America, said that there “were extended power outages because large portions of the U.S. natural gas supply were taken offline due to weather, and generation sources of all types froze from the extreme cold.” https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AJ2DZ/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: "In a statement to Reuters via email, Paul Goydan, a senior partner at Boston Consulting Group who leads the firm’s energy practice in North America, said that there “were extended power outages because large portions of the U.S. natural gas supply were taken offline due to weather, and generation sources of all types froze from the extreme cold.” https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AJ2DZ/ So all the systems failed. That just says Texas has a shitty grid that can’t stand a bit of cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: "In a statement to Reuters via email, Paul Goydan, a senior partner at Boston Consulting Group who leads the firm’s energy practice in North America, said that there “were extended power outages because large portions of the U.S. natural gas supply were taken offline due to weather, and generation sources of all types froze from the extreme cold.” https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AJ2DZ/ Yet, Canada and the rest of the U.S. doesn’t have this problem. Yes, power lines and transformers fail during winter storms, it happens, but we don’t lose a whole state of power generation. Ever. Only in Texas. In Texas’ defense, they learned from this mistake and they’re winterizing their equipment state-wide, windmills and all. Edited January 5 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Aristides said: So all the systems failed. That just says Texas has a shitty grid that can’t stand a bit of cold. Yet you just said... 22 hours ago, Rebound said: Right. Texas just decided to turn off their power plants to prank the whole state. Got it. Do ya got it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 10:45 AM, Rebound said: Oh? Where did you get the 100 year figure? It comes from my deep understanding of short -term events (weather) versus long-term trends (climate). Climate change is over decades, centuries, millennia. Not, today's weather. Something that is greatly missing from you people's thinking patterns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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