taxme Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 On 12/13/2023 at 5:17 AM, myata said: If WWII period Conservatism was anything like today's the war would have gone to Hitler. And Europe. And the US, locked by the Axis in its little corner of the world, if not invaded. Trump, Orban, Poilievre, Fizo, the entire Republican party under the heel. These are facts, more than coincidences. Thatcher and Reagan, perplexed. Try to argue that. Try to think about what the world would look like today if Hitler had defeated Russian communism. Communism would have been defeated for good. Hundreds of millions of innocent people were murdered under Stalin and Mao's communist regimes. The last i read was that Mao had murdered over 90 million, if not more, of his people. Stalin murdered about 60 million Russians. Cuba and North Korea would not be communist today. We should have no fear in anyway from conservatives like Trump, Poilievre, Orban and the many other conservatives like them who are popping up everywhere in Europe. Freedom is finally on the march. If you think that Bidumb, Obama, Trudeau and communists like Castro is the answer, well you must be really stoopid alright. Those buffoons would have no problem putting people like you in jail if you dared to question or challenge anything they say or do. All of our problems stem from having way too many liberals, democrtas, socialists and communists running many countries and their states and provinces. All we ever get from that communist ilk is more government, more taxes, and less freedom. Try and argue that? 😀 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 57 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Judaism rejects original sin, inherited sin and that humans are sinful by nature when they’re born. Not sure about the others you mentioned. Right, I didn't catch that part. Adam did sin, though. And what a great metaphor for knowledge huh? 58 minutes ago, taxme said: Try to think about what the world would look like today if Hitler had defeated Russian communism. Communism would have been defeated for good. Hundreds of millions of innocent people were murdered under Stalin and Mao's communist regimes. 😀 Sorry for your loss 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 18 hours ago, taxme said: if Hitler had defeated Russian communism. Yep that about summarizes it. One kind of brutal totalitarism, - our kind has to the right one. It's only a matter of the right ideology, and the color. Appreciate your honesty and openness, there. Not every one of those conservatives"" would dare to admit it.. but thinking it sure, fewer and fewer doubts about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 On 1/25/2024 at 6:08 PM, Michael Hardner said: Not Christians but Abrahamic religions including Islam, Judaism, Christianity,as well as Baha'i, Druze, Gnostic religions and others... The Exsultet hymn is a Christian hymn. Thanks for catching that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 On 1/25/2024 at 5:14 PM, Zeitgeist said: Sorry but you just have a lot to learn. You can read my prior posts but they are scratching the surface. Suffice it to say that there are good reasons for long-established values because they have stood the test of time and collective wisdom. Radical departures from such morality are just that. As for your strange remarks about killing gay people, etc., I can only think either you’re ignorant or trying to get a sympathetic reaction. So you have no answer as to why sin is a happy fault and necessary for our continuing evolution. Thanks for your other unqualified personal opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) 12 hours ago, French Patriot said: So you have no answer as to why sin is a happy fault and necessary for our continuing evolution. Thanks for your other unqualified personal opinions. Sin literally means missing the mark. The price of free will and identity is the ability to get it wrong and to realize you got it wrong. Hopefully you learn from your mistakes. That’s the story of the fall from grace that happened when Adam and Eve ate the apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That’s when they realized their nakedness, experienced shame, had to work, and would face death. It put a premium on our short lives, because with the knowledge that you will die there’s only so much time to get things right. This is the human condition. Evolution is about the natural selection that happens as stronger mutations of living things survive and weaker ones don’t. Mere brute strength isn’t enough to put someone at the top of the food chain. Also, our civilization has in many ways removed the struggle for survival, well somewhat. Successful people will generally have more power, longer lives, more successful progeny, but we are more than material beings. Man does not live on bread alone. We are reflective beings with minds that seek purpose and deeper understanding. These aren’t my mere opinions. I studied these and other ideas. At least humble yourself enough to try and learn a few things, even if it’s from people other than me. Edited January 29 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: We are reflective beings with minds that seek purpose and deeper understanding. So Adam's sin was a good thing. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, French Patriot said: So Adam's sin was a good thing. Right? Sin is a bad thing. Adam chose not to listen to God and ate the apple. The point is that with freedom comes responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should, but if Adam had no choice in the matter, he wouldn’t be an autonomous individual. In a society the rights of different people must be balanced with one another, so we have laws. The law isn’t the same as morality. Also the standards for public morality aren’t the same as and are usually lower than the standards we have for family, friends, etc. If you believe in a higher authority than yourself or the state, you want to follow that moral code, though one can choose not to, like Adam did eating the apple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Sin is a bad thing. Sin and evil, as your bible says, was created by Yahweh for his pleasure. Explain Yahweh's pleasure at creating what you call bad things. 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Adam chose not to listen to God and ate the apple. It was not an apple. It was the knowledge of all things as all things are subject to being good or evil. That includes sex and reproduction. Would you have Adam and Eve to listen to Yahweh and end in not reproducing and never knowing they were naked? 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: The point is that with freedom comes responsibility. Yes, and knowing responsibility means knowing good from evil, which is what A & E chose. A happy fault and necessary to our continuing evolution. 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: If you believe in a higher authority than yourself or the state, you want to follow that moral code, I recognize no higher authority than myself. I choose to follow rules and laws at hand or not. This is a pure biblical recommendation. It says we adults know good from evil, as with our archetypal Adam and Eve, and should hold to the good. Jesus endorses this with his, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods? I have not. Have you? Who wrote the moral code you follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, French Patriot said: Sin and evil, as your bible says, was created by Yahweh for his pleasure. Explain Yahweh's pleasure at creating what you call bad things. It was not an apple. It was the knowledge of all things as all things are subject to being good or evil. That includes sex and reproduction. Would you have Adam and Eve to listen to Yahweh and end in not reproducing and never knowing they were naked? Yes, and knowing responsibility means knowing good from evil, which is what A & E chose. A happy fault and necessary to our continuing evolution. I recognize no higher authority than myself. I choose to follow rules and laws at hand or not. This is a pure biblical recommendation. It says we adults know good from evil, as with our archetypal Adam and Eve, and should hold to the good. Jesus endorses this with his, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods? I have not. Have you? Who wrote the moral code you follow? You need a higher authority than yourself. Your personal morality as you’ve presented it is sketchy. Edited January 29 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 On 1/25/2024 at 4:24 PM, Michael Hardner said: Right, I didn't catch that part. Adam did sin, though. And what a great metaphor for knowledge huh? Sorry for your loss 😂 Poor old Hitler. Hitler tried to defeat communism and all he got was a stab in the back for trying to do so. There were hundreds of millions of innocent lives destroyed and murdered by communism. But what do you care, eh, comrade. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 On 1/26/2024 at 9:55 AM, myata said: Yep that about summarizes it. One kind of brutal totalitarism, - our kind has to the right one. It's only a matter of the right ideology, and the color. Appreciate your honesty and openness, there. Not every one of those conservatives"" would dare to admit it.. but thinking it sure, fewer and fewer doubts about that. Hitler was a pussycat compared to what communists like Mao and Stalin and Castro and Kim Jung ILL and Pol Pot did to their own people. Communism was responsible for hundreds of millions of innocent lives. And we all have been told millions of times as to just how bad Hitler was. It's weird as to why the world will still allow communist party's to exist and thrive knowing full well what they stand for. Slavery and no freedom. But Nazi party's will not be allowed. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 1/29/2024 at 4:22 PM, Zeitgeist said: You need a higher authority than yourself. Your personal morality as you’ve presented it is sketchy. Given this poor judgement, I am not surprised that you would bow to a brighter and more moral mind. What is sketchy about my moral thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 On 1/25/2024 at 3:27 PM, taxme said: Try and argue that? 😀 As Mark Twain said: "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience " 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 On 2/3/2024 at 8:23 AM, CrakHoBarbie said: As Mark Twain said: "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience " Exactly the reason why i need to stop arguing with stupid people like you. I am dragging myself down to your bottom feeding level. Not a good place to be. So, go away. stupid. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 On 1/25/2024 at 4:24 PM, Michael Hardner said: Right, I didn't catch that part. Adam did sin, though. And what a great metaphor for knowledge huh? Sorry for your loss 😂 And now the world is stuck with your ilk, comrade. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 (edited) 18 hours ago, taxme said: Exactly the reason why i need to stop arguing with stupid people like you. I am dragging myself down to your bottom feeding level. Not a good place to be. So, go away. stupid. LOL. We are not arguing. I schooled you. You got mad like a toddler and called me names. Respond and I'll school you some more. I'm giving like that. Edited February 14 by CrakHoBarbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 17 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: We are not arguing. I schooled you. You got mad like a toddler and called me names. Respond and I'll school you so.e more. I'm giving like that. You schooled me alright, and i did not learn a bloody intelligent thing from you. I failed your lefty liberal schooling. Now i cannot find a job. LOL. All i got from your schooling is how to spread lies and bullchit. I am not sorry if i hurt your snowflake sensitive feelings when i called you some names. You no doubt deserved those names. Just saying, crack pot. Chuckle-chuckle! Well, here i am once again responding to your silly azz replies. WTF is wrong with me that i keep doing this? The only thing that you keep giving me here is how to become just another dumb lefty liberal like yourself. Not much to go on here, crack pot. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 Just now, taxme said: You schooled me alright, and i did not learn a bloody intelligent thing from you. Just like all your schooling, I expect. Say hi to Mr. Canada for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 46 minutes ago, taxme said: You schooled me alright, and i did not learn a bloody intelligent thing from you. I failed your lefty liberal schooling. Now i cannot find a job. LOL. All i got from your schooling is how to spread lies and bullchit. I am not sorry if i hurt your snowflake sensitive feelings when i called you some names. You no doubt deserved those names. Just saying, crack pot. Chuckle-chuckle! Well, here i am once again responding to your silly azz replies. WTF is wrong with me that i keep doing this? The only thing that you keep giving me here is how to become just another dumb lefty liberal like yourself. Not much to go on here, crack pot. 🤣 You poor victim. All yall conservatives constantly whining. Don't you get embarrassed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Just like all your schooling, I expect. Say hi to Mr. Canada for me. Well, my schooling did not consist of having any Marxists teaching me communist lies and bullshit like the Marxists ones that are teaching our school children today, comrade. In my school days we had real and true conservatives teaching. Now, all we get from our teachers of today is Marxist indoctrination and how to become gay/trans and promoting gender and pronouns bullshit. So, what are your pronouns, and what gender are you? My pronouns are phuk and off. 🤣 So, which Mr. Canada am i supposed to say hi too? Come on, eh? Be a bit more specific, will you? Chuckle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 26 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: You poor victim. All yall conservatives constantly whining. Don't you get embarrassed? Yup, i sure am a victim of your Marxist Canadian liberal leaders, and having to live and be forced to have to live with their constant Marxist lies and bullshit every day, crack pot. We conservatives do not lie nor whine. It is the leftwing liberal Marxist activists like you that do all the lying. If you ever told the truth one day, it would be a bloody miracle, crack pot. I am embarrassed at have to debate with you all the time. It truly is an exercise in futility for me to have to do so. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 18 minutes ago, taxme said: We conservatives do not lie nor whine. As belied by the rest of your whiny words. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 28 minutes ago, taxme said: We conservatives do not lie nor whine. Thank you for the laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 On 2/14/2024 at 12:44 PM, CrakHoBarbie said: Thank you for the laugh. So show me as to where conservatives have lied, crack pot? Give me a couple of examples for more own information, if you can? On 2/14/2024 at 12:35 PM, French Patriot said: As belied by the rest of your whiny words. So, give me a few examples of where conservatives have lied? Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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