70% of Canadians don't understand what the carbon tax costs them

[CdnFox]

https://financialpost.com/news/canadians-think-short-changed-carbon-tax-rebates

A quarter of respondents said they did not get a rebate and 34 per cent said they were paying more in carbon tax than they were getting back. Another 17 per cent said they were satisfied with the rebate and 24 per cent were unsure what they were getting.

The Liberal government should be most concerned about how lower-income Canadians view the rebate, the pollster said. An analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Office found lower-income Canadians are “nearly guaranteed” to get back more than they pay, yet the poll found they are just as uncertain about benefiting from the rebate as higher-income Canadians.

 

 

The last thing the liberals want is for people to be actually looking at what they spend and what they get back. That's NOT what they want to see happen.

And this is just what people pay directly - i doubt even 2 percent really understand how much carbon tax is burned in to the cost of the things they buy.

And surprise surprise - it didn't save the planet.

[Guest]

I think anyone who drives or buys food, knows as its impossible to ignore.

My cost of living has increased significantly, while my salary increases in small increments.

I'm married so am entitled to some credits, but its almost insulting at how they must think Canadians have a collective low IQ.

Those credits barely put a dent in my maybe doing groceries, twice?

The first thing you should be attacking, is the cost of living.

Being highly educated, as well as my wife, should afford us the opportunity to upsize a house.

Rent shouldn't suddenly go from an average that is affordable for most to one you literally have to be earning 50 to 60k a year minimum, just to survive with any level of breathing room.

Imagine, 50k used to be a comfortable salary prior to covid. Now it's garbage.

Myself just like the wife, would rather move to the Philippines with enough capital to buy a large house for under 100k, and invest in other properties and business.

To do this in Canada now, is impossible.

[herbie]

Most likely as 70% of us understand it's about 2% of what the whiners claim it does and doesn't make for shit in the price of food, clothing, shelter, professional fees, or medicine.

We don't make phoney political ads claiming what it will be in 2035 is what is making gas expensive now.

You didn't stop buying gas when it was $2.50 a litre, so Big Oil knows if they drop the Carbon Tax tomorrow, they could ding you $2.50 the day after using the flimsiest excuse a four year old could make up.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I think anyone who drives or buys food, knows as its impossible to ignore.

My cost of living has increased significantly, while my salary increases in small increments.

I'm married so am entitled to some credits, but its almost insulting at how they must think Canadians have a collective low IQ.

Well the thing is they spend a lot of time lying about it.  It's not the CARBON tax that makes food expensive you see... it's those greedy merchants who sell you the food!!! Sure - our own gov't research proved that wasn't true but still it's totally them!!!!!

High inflation? Well you see that's the world's fault, nothing to do with the canadian gov't. Blame putin.

High carbon prices wouldn't affect construction costs if it weren't for all these darn investors buying properties. It's got nothing to do with gov't policy, immigration or carbon tax.etc etc.  And a lot of people ARE stupid enough to buy that without looking into it more.

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

 

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Most likely as 70% of us understand it's about 2% of what the whiners claim it does and doesn't make for shit in the price of food, clothing, shelter, professional fees, or medicine.

We don't make phoney political ads claiming what it will be in 2035 is what is making gas expensive now.

You didn't stop buying gas when it was $2.50 a litre, so Big Oil knows if they drop the Carbon Tax tomorrow, they could ding you $2.50 the day after using the flimsiest excuse a four year old could make up.

 

Herbie even YOU don't understand it.  Most leftists don't. Math not being their strong suit.

So - if you understand it, tell me how many times carbon tax is added to much of the canadian food you eat.  Not even how much - just how many times it gets added.  That's a huge clue in and of itself.  Lets see if you can get that answer right.

[blackbird]

The so-called rebate for carbon tax paid is not actually a rebate because it does not compensate fully those who paid the carbon tax.  Carbon taxes are charged to those who use natural gas for heating and run private or commercial motor vehicles.  The rebate has nothing to do with how much anyone paid in carbon taxes.  The rebates go to those in the lowest income brackets whether they paid any carbon taxes or not.  It is not related to how much carbon taxes they paid.  So it is a redistribution of income scheme.  It also doesn't matter how much one receives for income.  One could be on a pension and still pay relatively high carbon taxes if he has a natural gas heating system which requires a lot of natural gas and if he is living in a remote place and is required to drive great distances.  Also, if one drives a truck and it uses a lot of fuel in a business such as transport, he will pay a lot of carbon taxes in the fuel.  I am not aware of anything in the rebate system that considers when a person uses a vehicle for business and is required to use a lot of fuel.  The only thing that might compensate for that slightly is the reduction in taxable income for business expenses.  But that is not going to compensate much for the high cost of carbon taxes.

Edited December 3, 2023 by blackbird

[August1991]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The so-called rebate for carbon tax paid is not actually a rebate because it does not compensate fully those who paid the carbon tax.  Carbon taxes are charged to those who use natural gas for heating and run private or commercial motor vehicles.  The rebate has nothing to do with how much anyone paid in carbon taxes.  The rebates go to those in the lowest income brackets whether they paid any carbon taxes or not.  It is not related to how much carbon taxes they paid.  So it is a redistribution of income scheme.

Correct. I agree.

We Canadians own a large part of this world.

I think that we should own the oceans too.

We are renting the world to ourselves. I reckon that we should rent the oceans too. 

[August1991]

Let me correct myself.

We Canadians collectively decide what happens to a large part of the land and fresh water of this planet.

Not perfect, but I think that we (and Americans) do a good job.

===

I think that our Canadian way of doing things works. Oceans? The Icelanders are better.

[Army Guy]

On 12/3/2023 at 6:17 PM, herbie said:

Most likely as 70% of us understand it's about 2% of what the whiners claim it does and doesn't make for shit in the price of food, clothing, shelter, professional fees, or medicine.

We don't make phoney political ads claiming what it will be in 2035 is what is making gas expensive now.

You didn't stop buying gas when it was $2.50 a litre, so Big Oil knows if they drop the Carbon Tax tomorrow, they could ding you $2.50 the day after using the flimsiest excuse a four year old could make up.

Your the prime example of someone that does not even know what it is costing the average Canadian, and how it impacts every thing we purchase...

Regardless of how high gas goes up to we as a nation will still be reliant on fossil fuels...for heating , transportation of goods and services, etc etc... and we as a people will continue to purchase it, like we have a choice...you can't heat your home with hopes and promises the liberals make...nor can you eat any of it... unless you like bullshit... Liberal climate policies are as useful as a full diaper...

[herbie]

Yeah let's also pretend it's responsible for food prices that have been increasing at more like 80% annually too, and how hamburger and corn flakes will drop to $3.99 lb and gas under $1 the day after they get rid of the carbon tax.
Yeah a box of frozen fish & chips was $4.99 in 2015 and $12.99 now so it must be all Trudeau and the carbon tax's fault.

So wander into yet another election without a Tory climate plan. Maybe your grandkids can run home oxygenizers on raw bitumen and get tax breaks for building fire breaks and home dikes too.

I'd post many of the charts in the news over the last few days, but you guys will find them just to hard to understand or outright MSM lies for showing low/medium incomes aren't 'suffering' from carbon tax. And try to convince us with provincial equivalents for support so the rest of you laggards don't have to pay anything.

[WestCanMan]

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/washington/blaine

The cheapest gas in Blaine, Wa today is USD $3.64/Gal US, which is 3.78L. That works out to .96USD/l for gas. That's about Cdn $1.30/l. The last time it was that cheap here was during covid, in 2020. 

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/british-columbia/langley

The cheapest gas in Langley, BC, the opposite side of the border, is $1.66.

It's 28% more expensive here now than it is in the US.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Yeah let's also pretend it's responsible for food prices that have been increasing at more like 80% annually too,

It plays a signficant role. There's no one reason for that exclusively but it is a major player in the cost increases. I actually worked it out once (showed math and sources etc) and while it does depend on a few factors such as how much processing went into the food you bought it works out that for the average couple it adds just over 800 dollars a year to their food bill.  Now - seeing as the average family is paying more like 100 dollars a week or more on groceries than they did that certainly isn't ALL the increase. More like around 10 percent or so. but that's significant and lets not pretend it isn't.

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and how hamburger and corn flakes will drop to $3.99 lb and gas under $1 the day after they get rid of the carbon tax.

That won't happen but what will happen is the price will stagnate, and as wages rise over time it as if the price fell.

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Yeah a box of frozen fish & chips was $4.99 in 2015 and $12.99 now so it must be all Trudeau and the carbon tax's fault.

It's all trudeaus fault - that's true - but he screwed up more than just the carbon tax,

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So wander into yet another election without a Tory climate plan. Maybe your grandkids can run home oxygenizers on raw bitumen and get tax breaks for building fire breaks and home dikes too.

LOL - emissions went down under harper, and NO liberal gov't in 40 years has ever hit or even come close to a climate target.  LIke Ignatief said - "We didn't get it done".   So your hypocrisy is pretty disgusting. 

 

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I'd post many of the charts in the news over the last few days, but you guys will find them just to hard to understand or outright MSM lies for showing low/medium incomes aren't 'suffering' from carbon tax. And try to convince us with provincial equivalents for support so the rest of you laggards don't have to pay anything.

That's ok - show them to the voices in your head, i'm sure THEY'LL agree with you wholeheartedly