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Just now, DUI_Offender said:

What the hell are you going on about?

 

Your statement.  Hell kid if you're not going to pay attention to what you say i'm not sure why you think the rest of us will.

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Not if the kid decides to go over to a friends house, where the parents do not supervise their child. 

Sure kid.  Post your research showing that happens all the time - kids run over to their buddies and immediately immerses himself in double penetration porn. 

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This happened to me as a child. I was not allowed to watch old reruns of Three's Company, but if I was at my friends house, they had no problem letting us view the sitcom, so I watched it there.

 

Sure - three's company is basically the same as group sex porn.

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What the hell are you talking about.  Just because you fantasise about 7 year old girls, does not give you the right to project your sexual deviance on me. 

You're the one who brought it up.  You're the one claiming that we should give kids access to porn at ages as low as 6-7 unfettered because they might see it anyway. 

And you say this is why kids should be able to make sex change decisions at 13.

The fact that your arguments are 1diotic and a little pedophilic is NOT my fault.

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9 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

If we were to compare IQ scores, Michael would likely come on top by at least 40 points. My guess is 128-88. You ahve a limited intellect, I commend you for trying. There is nothing wrong with being in the bottom 1/3 of the general public when it comes to intelligence. God just made you that way.

Actually, this forum does not have the best reputation.  I've actually had to dumb myself down just to fit in.  This is a borderline White supremacist site. 

ROFLMAO - sure kid :)  You're a frikkin' genius for sure, we can all tell :)  LOL!!!

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

1. Why would you call anyone a chud at all?  Don't ask me to explain your bigotry and hatred.

2. Just  be clear in the future and if you change your mind just say so instead of trying to ret-con a new version.

3. But that's not what you said.  Maybe it would be helpful if you could post an expiry date with each of your comments so we know when they're going to no longer be your valid opinion?

1. I use the term to warn people off them.  It's kind of like 'troll'.  Therefore she is not one.
2. Yes, I will try to be clear.  i don't think i changed my mind but I was probably unclear fair enough.
3.  I used different wording to describe each ruling separately.  One could interpret the different words I used to be contradictory, or ... not.  I'm not so careful with my writing here so as to preclude any contradiction at all from arising from my words.  And since you do not trust me at all, you saw the contradiction.  That's my take on it.  With the last post above I hopefully clarified.  My primary focus on here is always to focus on our public sphere and its supporting institutions. 

I do support Trans rights but not unequivocally and furthermore I understand that the concepts are new and strange and that THAT has to be considered.  I also recognize my own biases in not giving enough respect to opponents at times, so I have to go back and look at examples to see if I overstepped or made a mistake.  Talking through these things clarifies, smoothes over mistrust and reinforces institutional strength IMO.  ( That's why I consider myself conservative... I know, I know, I know...)

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:


I do support Trans rights but not unequivocally and furthermore I understand that the concepts are new and strange and that THAT has to be considered.  I also recognize my own biases in not giving enough respect to opponents at times, so I have to go back and look at examples to see if I overstepped or made a mistake.  Talking through these things clarifies, smoothes over mistrust and reinforces institutional strength IMO.  ( That's why I consider myself conservative... I know, I know, I know...)

I support Transgenders from having full civil rights too.  Having said that, they should definitely be banned from Women's sports and women's spaces. Biological males competing in Women's sports is cheating, plain and simple.

As for the "child grooming" that is ridiculous, and I cannot believe it is being made a major political issue, as it is a nothing burger, 

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4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

1. I support Transgenders from having full civil rights too. 
2. Having said that, they should definitely be banned from Women's sports and women's spaces.
3. Biological males competing in Women's sports is cheating, plain and simple.
4. As for the "child grooming" that is ridiculous, and I cannot believe it is being made a major political issue, as it is a nothing burger, 

1. Do you not not unsupport unambiguity though ? :D 
2. Ok ... I just defer that one to the stakeholders involved and trust that some things can be solved without me sticking my beak in there.  For sure there are areas where trans people can play games with non trans people ...
3. Ok
4. How about ambiguous feel-good slogans ?  How about denigrating groups based on fringe activities that happen alongside the groups but only ONLY only if you disagree with that group ?  

That means - are the Convoy Truckers Nazis ?  Depends on whether you support them or not.
Are the BLM rioters or looters ?  Depends on whether you support them or not.
Is the Catholic Church pedophiles ?  Depends on how holy you are... and the holier you are the more you are willing to forgive sinners, conveniently and also settle lawsuits.
Are the January 6th rioters to blame for the riots that they proudly committed ?  Well, come on Michael don't load your questions...

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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

 
2. Ok ... I just defer that one to the stakeholders involved and trust that some things can be solved without me sticking my beak in there.  For sure there are areas where trans people can play games with non trans people ...
 

Biological males that are transgender, should ONLY play against men. Period.

It;s cheating to play against women, since there are biological differences that give biological males an unfair advantage. 

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3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

1. Biological males that are transgender, should ONLY play against men.
2. Period.
3. It;s cheating to play against women,
4. since there are biological differences that give biological males an unfair advantage. 

1. Ok.  Thanks for your opinion.
2. I disagree.
3. There are always exceptions...
4. ... to every rule...

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-sports-where-there-is-no-gender-advantage-where-there-is-no-reason-to-divide-the-sports-into-mens-and-womens-competitions

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I use the term to warn people off them.  It's kind of like 'troll'.  Therefore she is not one.

You have a different explanation every day.  At any rate, i guess you wanted to warn people off of her for some reason then.


 

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I do support Trans rights but not unequivocally and furthermore I understand that the concepts are new and strange and that THAT has to be considered.  I also recognize my own biases in not giving enough respect to opponents at times, so I have to go back and look at examples to see if I overstepped or made a mistake.  Talking through these things clarifies, smoothes over mistrust and reinforces institutional strength IMO. 

To me this isn't so much about the 'trans' issue at the heart of it.  It could just as easily be about pink pony tails or whatever. 

To me the big issue is that a long time teacher with a sterling record had legitimate concerns to be discussed and because of left wing political correctness she was not only not allowed to speak but was driven out and defamed. Harassed to the point of suffering medical issues.

Presumably because they felt she was a Chud.  And chuds don't deserve to speak right? Apparently they also don't get to live in peace after they dare to try to speak.

SO what you should be 'supporting' is the right of EVERYONE to speak - and that people like yourself don't get to determine if someone should be allowed to or if its a 'waste of time' or is a 'chud'.

And that's what makes this a victory. Those on the left who attack people for exercising their rights, chud or not, need to learn that's not ok

 

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( That's why I consider myself conservative... I know, I know, I know...)

LOL

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3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

1. You have a different explanation every day.  At any rate, i guess you wanted to warn people off of her for some reason then.

2. To me the big issue is that a long time teacher with a sterling record had legitimate concerns to be discussed and because of left wing political correctness she was not only not allowed to speak but was driven out and defamed. Harassed to the point of suffering medical issues.

3. Presumably because they felt she was a Chud. 

4. And chuds don't deserve to speak right?  

5. SO what you should be 'supporting' is the right of EVERYONE to speak - and that people like yourself don't get to determine if someone should be allowed to or if its a 'waste of time' or is a 'chud'.

6. And that's what makes this a victory. Those on the left who attack people for exercising their rights, chud or not, need to learn that's not ok

 

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1. No - I said I supported her and the decision from my first post I think.
2. I would also add the fact that she phrased her concerns thoughtfully and carefully.
3. Yes, probably.
4. They can speak but we don't have to let them in to every discussion.
5. Well, apparently they DO.  Is it right ?  No, not always.  I try to be careful about such things but guess what I'm wrong too sometimes.  The right of "everyone" to speak isn't disputed.  But when you start talking about details... what kind of speech, what kind of meeting, what topics ... you are automatically stepping away from the 'chud' moniker by being careful and thoughtful.  
6. It's not as simple as that.  If it were just a matter of the right to speak, they would have banned her from speaking and kicked her out of the meeting.  You're right that they saw her as a 'Chud' I think, and I agree with you that they were wrong.  But it was her position of having children in her care that made the situation different.

I will afford people the benefit of the doubt when they haven't encountered Trans folks before.  The number of Trans people I know now is likely in the double digits so it's not strange at all to me.  But my parents are very old and very confused by all of this.  I would afford them the same benefit of the doubt as I do the Trans-defender who sees red whenever anyone questions what is going on.  When a Trans woman wins a weightlifting competition of COURSE people will be upset and see red.  That's not going to be happening forever, though.  People are going to come to workable solutions because we are an open and liberal society that works toward solutions.

I trust our public sphere.  I am a conservative.  (I know, I know..)

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I use the term to warn people off them.  It's kind of like 'troll'.  Therefore she is not one.

Just out of curiosity, do you know of any leftist 'trolls' here?

I mean, it seems to the unaided eye as though you're simpatico with eyeball, Beave, robo, ExFlyer, Rebound, Hodad, CrakHo, Contrarian, etc., and I'll fall off my chair the day I see any of those guys find a flaw in a CNN talking point, regardless how blatantly false it is. 

Do you think that there's 1 leftist troll here? 6? 12? 

Do you think that leftists in general are guilty of getting sucked in by fake news on a regular basis or not at all? 

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1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

As for the "child grooming" that is ridiculous, and I cannot believe it is being made a major political issue, as it is a nothing burger, 

There's a widespread belief among leftists now that children should be subjected to explicit sexual content and overt sexuality at young ages. Conservatives are not ok with that, and rightly so.

Leftist teachers want to play a huge role in exposing children to sexuality at young ages, and they also like to mislead children about the ramifications of changing their sex.

When a 5-8 yr old hears "You can be a woman/man" that absolutely means "I can be a mommy/daddy" to them, and it's completely false. If you were born with a bat and two balls you will never look like/be like Margot Robbie. At best you'll look like an uglier Joy Behar, but you will never bear/have children of your own. 

The thought that a guidance counsellor can start a child along the path to gender reassignment without the knowledge or consent of their parents, with so much at stake, is completely heinous. 

No one will ever love you or put your best interests first to the same extent that your parents did, period. Not even your spouse or your children will. School counsellors are not there to make decisions of that magnitude for children. They have their own family members to love, then they have their political interests - which they value more than the future of your children. Book it.

Just think about the fact that [unnamed poster here] still doesn't believe that more people died of covid in 2022 than 2021 or 2020. He doesn't believe that the vast majority of them were vaxed. All he has to do is look at Health Canada's own stats and he would know that for certain but he refuses to even look. Do you trust someone with such a blind devotion to ignorance to make major life decisions with your child while you're kept in the dark?

As far as actual grooming is concerned, it's a more subtle start than you think. People just expose them to sexuality, get them accustomed to it, normalize it, and then convince them that they can consent to it. Just like with the guidance counsellors, the kids are told "Don't let your parents find out". 

A CNN producer was busted for grooming children to get them interested in sexual activity. Click this and see for yourself, right from CNN.

I'm not saying that CNN is actively involved in child grooming, but it's important to know that groomers are out there, and they don't just live in their mom's basement and work at Starbucks, while posting about their love of Trudeau and Biden on this forum. Grooming is something that some parents are oblivious too while it's happening to their own children. If someone wants to dress up in a sexy outfit (and drag queens are by definition dressing up in sexual costumes) and talk to your little kids, you definitely shouldn't trust them. 

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There's a widespread belief among leftists now that children should be subjected to explicit sexual content and overt sexuality at young ages. Conservatives are not ok with that, and rightly so.

No, there is not.

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Leftist teachers want to play a huge role in exposing children to sexuality at young ages, and they also like to mislead children about the ramifications of changing their sex.

False.

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The thought that a guidance counsellor can start a child along the path to gender reassignment without the knowledge or consent of their parents, with so much at stake, is completely heinous. 

Can you provide any examples of this?

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Just think about the fact that [unnamed poster here] still doesn't believe that more people died of covid in 2022 than 2021 or 2020.

Incorrect.

More people died in 2021 than 2022. (2.53 M in 2021 compared to 1.2 M in 2022)

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

As far as actual grooming is concerned, it's a more subtle start than you think. People just expose them to sexuality, get them accustomed to it, normalize it, and then convince them that they can consent to it. Just like with the guidance counsellors, the kids are told "Don't let your parents find out". 

Transgender "grooming" is not a major issue. It never has been, and it is not an issue today. People who believe it is, need to get outside, and leave their basement.

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And so are pretty much every aspect of society.  The highest rates of child grooming are in religious institutions (churches). 

 

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not saying that CNN is actively involved in child grooming, but it's important to know that groomers are out there, and they don't just live in their mom's basement and work at Starbucks, while posting about their love of Trudeau and Biden on this forum.

More child groomers are from Republican homes. This is called "projecting,"

 

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Grooming is something that some parents are oblivious too while it's happening to their own children.

 

Not necessarily. If parents watch their children carefully, and have a close relationship, they are likely to spot grooming behaviour. This is why groomers typically gravitate to broken homes, since it is not as easy to be detected.

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If someone wants to dress up in a sexy outfit (and drag queens are by definition dressing up in sexual costumes) and talk to your little kids, you definitely shouldn't trust them. 

The number of drag queens "grooming" children is almost non-existent. The problem is, you watch far-right TV programs, instead of checking out reputable sources to see if what Tucker Carlson says is true (which it is generally not). 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Just out of curiosity, do you know of any leftist 'trolls' here?

I mean, it seems to the unaided eye as though you're simpatico with eyeball, Beave, robo, ExFlyer, Rebound, Hodad, CrakHo, Contrarian, etc., and I'll fall off my chair the day I see any of those guys find a flaw in a CNN talking point, regardless how blatantly false it is. 

Do you think that there's 1 leftist troll here? 6? 12? 

Do you think that leftists in general are guilty of getting sucked in by fake news on a regular basis or not at all? 

Can you define what a "leftist troll" is...?

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8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

No, there is not.

False.

Can you provide any examples of this?

Incorrect.

More people died in 2021 than 2022. (2.53 M in 2021 compared to 1.2 M in 2022)

Transgender "grooming" is not a major issue. It never has been, and it is not an issue today. People who believe it is, need to get outside, and leave their basement.

And so are pretty much every aspect of society.  The highest rates of child grooming are in religious institutions (churches). 

 

More child groomers are from Republican homes. This is called "projecting,"

 

 

Not necessarily. If parents watch their children carefully, and have a close relationship, they are likely to spot grooming behaviour. This is why groomers typically gravitate to broken homes, since it is not as easy to be detected.

The number of drag queens "grooming" children is almost non-existent. The problem is, you watch far-right TV programs, instead of checking out reputable sources to see if what Tucker Carlson says is true (which it is generally not). 

Can you define what a "leftist troll" is...?

I can't be bothered replying to all of your lies, because for the most part they're blatantly obvious.

As far as covid deaths are concerned, I can only speak for Canada because I don't track stats and vax rates for every country.

We had 19,000+ covid deaths here in 2022 and only 15k, 14k in 2020 and 2021. 

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You'd never know it because the media stopped talking about covid deaths after Biden declared the pandemic was over, but yeah, 2022 was worse here. 

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14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I can't be bothered replying to all of your lies, because for the most part they're blatantly obvious.

As far as covid deaths are concerned, I can only speak for Canada because I don't track stats and vax rates for every country.

We had 19,000+ covid deaths here in 2022 and only 15k, 14k in 2020 and 2021. 

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You'd never know it because the media stopped talking about covid deaths after Biden declared the pandemic was over, but yeah, 2022 was worse here. 

I went to grab some quotes from that article:

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but they edited it on July 19th of this year (2023) for some reason, stripping "2022" from the title, as well as the death tolls for each year. The content is also only available for subscribers now lol. 

History is being erased before our very eyes. 

A Google search of "Why 2022 was Covid-19's deadliest year in Canada" still brings up the original article title, but the body has been altered to make it more Trudeau-friendly. 

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When you click the link that still says ^^that^^, you get the article shown below, with a catchy new title....

"This" became covid's deadliest year lol. 

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@ eyeball, if you live long enough, the things that you said about covid will all start to appear to be true.

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19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I went to grab some quotes from that article:

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but they edited it in July of this year for some reason, stripping "2022" from the title, as well as the death tolls for each year. The content is also only available for subscribers now lol. 

History is being erased before our very eyes. 

A Google search of "Why 2022 was Covid-19's deadliest year in Canada" still brings up the original article title, but the body has been altered to make it more Trudeau-friendly. 

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When you click the link that still says ^^that^^, you get the article shown below, with a catchy new title....

"This" became covid's deadliest year lol. 

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@ eyeball, if you live long enough, the things that you said about covid will all start to appear to be true.

I was actually referring to Worldwide:

"Despite improved treatment and the growing, albeit inequitable, availability of vaccines and therapeutics for COVID-19, 2021 was its deadliest year. About 3.9 million COVID-19 deaths occurred in 2021, representing about half of all COVID-19 deaths from 2020-2022. This is probably related to the emergence of the delta variant, which was much more likely to lead to fatal outcomes compared to the ancestral variant, and the omicron variant, which despite being less severe than the ancestral variant is  more transmissible. Despite the relaxing of mitigation measures and the expiration of some public health emergency orders, 2022 had the fewest annual deaths from COVID, about 1.3 million,  likely due to widespread population immunity from vaccines, infection, or both."

source: https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/just-how-do-deaths-due-covid-19-stack

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Thankfully with the distribution of the COVID vaccines among more countries, the death rates for COVID have dropped substantially from 2021.

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40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I can't be bothered replying to all of your lies, because for the most part they're blatantly obvious.

As far as covid deaths are concerned, I can only speak for Canada because I don't track stats and vax rates for every country.

We had 19,000+ covid deaths here in 2022 and only 15k, 14k in 2020 and 2021. 

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You'd never know it because the media stopped talking about covid deaths after Biden declared the pandemic was over, but yeah, 2022 was worse here. 

Yes in the World, COVID deaths decreased substantially.  However, in Canada due to a severe outbreak in early 2022, COVID deaths increased slightly from 2021.  However, I do not recall Biden ever declaring COVID pandemic "over." Do you have a source for that?

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4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I was actually referring to Worldwide:

 

Well, I was referring to Canada, and I was the one who brought it up, so that's actually what we were taking about.

Have you followed covid deaths, month by month, in other countries? Do you know what their vax rates were, month by month?

Does Canada's covid problem compare with that of countries where more tens of thousands of people still die from TB?

From ourworldindata.org: "32.8% of people in low-income countries have received at least one dose."  

So, with 85% of our population vaxed, deaths up, while deaths were going down in countries with only 32% of people having 1 vax or more.?

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Thankfully with the distribution of the COVID vaccines among more countries, the death rates for COVID have dropped substantially from 2021.

That's your own quote, stupid.

 Even their own article, the article that you cited, ended with this, which ends the part you quoted:

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2022 had the fewest annual deaths from COVID, about 1.3 million,  likely due to widespread population immunity from vaccines, infection, or both."

source: https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/just-how-do-deaths-due-covid-19-stack

 

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I do not recall Biden ever declaring COVID pandemic "over." Do you have a source for that?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/19/politics/biden-covid-pandemic-over-what-matters/index.html

That took me one second...

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Well, I was referring to Canada, and I was the one who brought it up, so that's actually what we were taking about.

Very well, then...

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

That's your own quote, stupid.

Until you learn to behave, I will call you WestCunt. 

 

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I see Biden has lied to the American public.  The pandemic is not over.

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9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We need to get back to the topic of leftists pimping sexually explicit books in elementary school libraries and advocating for drag queen story hour.

You mean the books that have been in schools for decades? 

How many schools ahve "Drag Queen story hour?" 0.01%? 

You really believe this bullshit, don't you?

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

This isn't a covid thread. 

Dude, you were the one who was rambling on about COVID to begin with.  Now you are gaslighting the forum. Shame on you!

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7 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You mean the books that have been in schools for decades? 

How many schools ahve "Drag Queen story hour?" 0.01%? 

You really believe this bullshit, don't you?

Dude, you were the one who was rambling on about COVID to begin with.  Now you are gaslighting the forum. Shame on you!

1-second Google search found this: https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/02/15/87-books-removed-florida-schools-pornographic-violent-inappropriate-data-shows/

https://www.facebook.com/TorontoDragQueenStorytime/  I found your FB page!

I wasn't "rambling on about covid". I alluded to a resident covid10t here as an example of the rampant ignorance that still exists amongst a large percentage of our adults in Canada - one of the most educated countries on the planet. You never know who's teaching your ids, or what they're teaching them. It's an abomination for leftard dimwits to get control of other people's children. 

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