Let's abolish borders

[Gaétan]

 

No one can call themselves the owner of the land because it belongs to everyone, otherwise the French and the British would have to return to Europe and France to the ancestors of the Gauls. There are people who think that the land belongs to them but who gave it to you, the king, but it did not belong to him. We cannot prevent people from coming to settle in Canada and it is also a question of solidarity. There are countries where it will be too hot and which will be deserted because of the climate changes caused by ourselves and Canada. is a big country. Legally we should not be able to prevent people from coming to Canada, if we can do it it is because the laws are unfair and they are not supposed to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[August1991]

Without ownership, what is the point of life?

I leave a legacy to my children. We teach and raise them.

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More broadly, if we argue about who owns what, our children may have nothing. Let's create something new.

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

Without ownership, what is the point of life?

I leave a legacy to my children. We teach and raise them.

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More broadly, if we argue about who owns what, our children may have nothing. Let's create something new.

I talk about land, not your house or other goods. Your house belongs to you but you have no right of the land where it sits, you borrow it.

[Legato]

48 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

I talk about land, not your house or other goods. Your house belongs to you but you have no right of the land where it sits, you borrow it.

So what happens if you live on a boat, Are you just borrowing the water?

If so, yesterday's water has moved on. That would mean having to constantly find new lenders. Also the fish would have to do the same thing. then along comes a storm. Oh dear.

 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Your house belongs to you but you have no right of the land where it sits, you borrow it.

Good luck with that in court.

You remind me of one of those sovereign citizens getting stopped without a license or license plate on their car:

"I'm not a citizen".

But you're driving on US roads.

"I'm not driving, I'm navigating."

Without a license, which is illegal.

"Its illegal if you're a citizen".

*cop realizes they should have called in sick, and its going to be a long day*

[Queenmandy85]

The OP is partly correct. All land in Canada is owned by the Crown. When you "buy" a piece of land, what you are actually buying is a freehold lease. You are leasing the property from the Crown. 

[Queenmandy85]

On 11/26/2023 at 9:57 PM, Gaétan said:

No one can call themselves the owner of the land because it belongs to everyone, otherwise the French and the British would have to return to Europe and France to the ancestors of the Gauls. There are people who think that the land belongs to them but who gave it to you, the king, but it did not belong to him.

Canada became French and then British by right of conquest. It is no different than how the Blackfeet came to own South-West Alberta by taking it by conquest over the Ktunaxa whom they expelled into South-Eastern BC.

[Gaétan]

15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Canada became French and then British by right of conquest. It is no different than how the Blackfeet came to own South-West Alberta by taking it by conquest over the Ktunaxa whom they expelled into South-Eastern BC.

I am not a lawer but there is no right of conquest. You borrow the land, it doesn't belong to you nor the crown as you said, if so it is because the law is injust and it's not supposed to be.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Gaétan

[taxme]

On 11/26/2023 at 7:57 PM, Gaétan said:

 

No one can call themselves the owner of the land because it belongs to everyone, otherwise the French and the British would have to return to Europe and France to the ancestors of the Gauls. There are people who think that the land belongs to them but who gave it to you, the king, but it did not belong to him. We cannot prevent people from coming to settle in Canada and it is also a question of solidarity. There are countries where it will be too hot and which will be deserted because of the climate changes caused by ourselves and Canada. is a big country. Legally we should not be able to prevent people from coming to Canada, if we can do it it is because the laws are unfair and they are not supposed to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess that must also mean that Israel must exit Palestine and give the land back to the Palestinians, right? Just asking. 

[Gaétan]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

I guess that must also mean that Israel must exit Palestine and give the land back to the Palestinians, right? Just asking. 

The land belongs to nobody anyone can live there but it is not right to take someone out of his house and live there, the house belongs to you. They have to find a way to live there together, Palestinians and Israelis and accept anyone who wants to go and live in that country.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Gaétan

[taxme]

31 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The OP is partly correct. All land in Canada is owned by the Crown. When you "buy" a piece of land, what you are actually buying is a freehold lease. You are leasing the property from the Crown. 

Here in BC, all of the land is now pretty much been handed over to the native Indians and is now pretty much owned by the native Indians. Nothing can be done without their permission, and with the blessing of the feather. The English and the french do not really own any land anymore. Our gawd dam politicians have seen to that. But the native Indians may have a fight on their hands with the East Indians one day because the E.I. are buying up all the properties and businesses here in BC. We white folk have now become second class citizen's here in BC. We may have won the province way back when but we have now become renters and really do not own the land that their house sits on. I believe that every city and town in BC has to pay some kind of property tax to the native Indians for now living on their land. WTH, eh? ?

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The land belongs to nobody anyone can live there but it is not right to take someone out of his house and live there, the house belongs to you. They have to find a way to live there together, Palestinians and Israelis and accept anyone who wants to go and live in that country.

Back in the 90's there were a bunch of residents that lived on some native Indian property in North Vancouver. The 90 year lease was due for renewal. But rather than renew the property with the residents they did not want to renew the land. Apparently, the Native Indians wanted the land back and kept for themselves so they decided to kick the present day residents of their property. Who may be next? We never know? 

[Queenmandy85]

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

Here in BC, all of the land is now pretty much been handed over to the native Indians and is now pretty much owned by the native Indians.

Maybe I wasn't clear. All land in Canada is owned by the Crown. All land, even reserve land.

And FYI, East Indians are caucasian, just like you. We are all different shades of brown. If you look in the mirror and you are white, I'm sorry for you. You are deceased.

[TreeBeard]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Here in BC, all of the land is now pretty much been handed over to the native Indians and is now pretty much owned by the native Indians.

Like where?  Can you provide examples?  It should be easy, since you claim it’s most of the land. 

[TreeBeard]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

The 90 year lease was due for renewal. But rather than renew the property with the residents they did not want to renew the land.

That’s the risk of leasing property off someone else;  you don’t own it.  You’re arguing that a property owner should be forced to lease their land if they’d leased it previously?  

[taxme]

59 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Like where?  Can you provide examples?  It should be easy, since you claim it’s most of the land. 

Watch the news sometime. The NDP party pretty much gave all of BC away to the Indians. Without their Indian feather blessing consent nothing gets done in this province. When was the last time we saw some big mining or other big projects get the go ahead approval without the Indians blessing. If the native Indians say no to any project, the project goes dead. 

Examples? Watch the news sometime.  ?

[taxme]

59 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

That’s the risk of leasing property off someone else;  you don’t own it.  You’re arguing that a property owner should be forced to lease their land if they’d leased it previously?  

This is just a warning that if someone is leasing land from the native Indians, they may get the boot one day. And apparently, the native Indians pretty much own all of BC. I am talking mostly about non-Indian residents living on out lying areas of the province where fewer people live. But i have to agree with you that the owner of any land does have the right to cancel a lease. ?

[TreeBeard]

31 minutes ago, taxme said:

This is just a warning that if someone is leasing land from the native Indians, they may get the boot one day.

So leasing from a white guy doesn’t carry that same risk when the lease runs out?

 

41 minutes ago, taxme said:

Examples? Watch the news sometime.

So, you have not one example.  Sounds like silly hyperbole. I expected as much. 

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So leasing from a white guy doesn’t carry that same risk when the lease runs out?

 

So, you have not one example.  Sounds like silly hyperbole. I expected as much. 

White people do not own all of the land in BC anymore. It now all belongs to the native Indians. Without their feather blessing nothing can get done. I cannot produce any examples when i heard this on the news many months ago. ? 

 

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, taxme said:

White people do not own all of the land in BC anymore. It now all belongs to the native Indians.

You’re claiming there are no leases of property in all of BC other than by “native Indians”?  
 

What an asinine claim. 

[August1991]

On 11/27/2023 at 9:53 AM, Gaétan said:

I talk about land, not your house or other goods. Your house belongs to you but you have no right of the land where it sits, you borrow it.

Land? I talk of what you pass to your children: the knowledge, human capital.

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These foolish arguments of zero-sum game make us all poor.

Edited November 30, 2023 by August1991

[taxme]

19 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You’re claiming there are no leases of property in all of BC other than by “native Indians”?  
 

What an asinine claim. 

The native Indians can claim any land that they want to as their own land in BC. We are all living on Indian land as far as the native Indians are concerned. Are you that stupid? Yup. ?

[taxme]

20 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You’re claiming there are no leases of property in all of BC other than by “native Indians”?  
 

What an asinine claim. 

Hey mac? I am still waiting for you to reply to my question i asked of you as to what is your definition of communism? Well, what are you waiting for? 

Edited November 30, 2023 by taxme

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The native Indians can claim any land that they want to as their own land in BC. We are all living on Indian land as far as the native Indians are concerned. Are you that stupid? Yup. ?

What governs the ownership of land;  opinion, or laws?

You can have the opinion that you own my land, but it’s the law that governs whether you actually do.  So now you’re just babbling incoherently.  I don’t think you’re actually a serious interlocutor, are you?

51 minutes ago, taxme said:

Hey mac? I am still waiting for you to reply to my question i asked of you as to what is your definition of communism? Well, what are you waiting for? 

I looked through recent replies from you and can’t find anything from you asking me about communism.  Maybe reply to my comment and ask again. 

[taxme]

4 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What governs the ownership of land;  opinion, or laws?

You can have the opinion that you own my land, but it’s the law that governs whether you actually do.  So now you’re just babbling incoherently.  I don’t think you’re actually a serious interlocutor, are you?

I looked through recent replies from you and can’t find anything from you asking me about communism.  Maybe reply to my comment and ask again. 

Look again. Anyway, you asked me what my definition of communist was and i gave you the answer. Now, i am still waiting for you to tell me as to what your definition of communism is. You are not trying to avoid the question that i have asked of you, are you, eh? Come on, man, lets see it. ?