22 dead, dozens wounded (and counting) in USA’s latest 2nd Amendment celebration

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

1. Wow, you actually do care more about your guns than you do about your children.

2. I thought I was just applying a little hyperbole for effect when I made that statement in an earlier thread.  I guess not.

1. That's funny coming from a diapered gun hater like you. I'll bet you'd run in the opposite direction if your children were attacked. 

2. You thought wrong, as usual. lol

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54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is stupid. Don't be such a pansy.

The AR15 is just a rifle for people who like to LARP. As a Canuck, I think the second ammendment is inherently dangerous.  However, I also think every citizen should be allowed a good means of self defense. And since I know the bad guys have guns...

This good guy vs bad guy with a gun goes out the window when the bad guy seems to always have these high-powered rifles when they decide to kill many people. 

I want to go Bowling on a Wednesday night but better take my Military style weapon incase someone who wants to go out in a blaze of glory shows up. 

The natural end-point of this logic is expecting that everyone is armed with military style weapons. Hand guns are bad enough but when presented with a guy with a high calibre semi-automatic weapon, you're outgunned. 

 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. That's funny coming from a diapered gun hater like you. I'll bet you'd run in the opposite direction if your children were attacked. 

2. You thought wrong, as usual. lol

1)  I have a gun.

2) Yes, I did.

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

This good guy vs bad guy with a gun goes out the window when the bad guy seems to always have these high-powered rifles when they decide to kill many people. 

I want to go Bowling on a Wednesday night but better take my Military style weapon incase someone who wants to go out in a blaze of glory shows up. 

The natural end-point of this logic is expecting that everyone is armed with military style weapons. Hand guns are bad enough but when presented with a guy with a high calibre semi-automatic weapon, you're outgunned. 

 

Paradise to some of these knuckleheads.

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, Aristides said:

1. Exercise more control over who can buy guns and the type of guns people can buy.

2. The only thing you guys care about is your gun rights, you have no problem with restricting the rights of gay people and women.  A six week foetus gets aborted. Oh the horror. 22 people get gunned down by a nut with an AR-15. Meh.

3. 22 dead and over 50 wounded in mass shootings every month or so is nothing to get emotional about, After all, you didn't know any of them so who cares

1. Too restrictive. You check State ID, do a quick background check, and then you proceed with business. You know, back in 1791, when the 2nd Amendment was fresh and new, the militia had muskets too. Perhaps you Marxist bedwetters should be grateful that we're not actually well-regulated and equally armed today. 

2. You're overreacting again, and I think you may even be crying. I'm opposed to the homosexual agenda and the abortion agenda. Oh, and paying for other people's condoms - I'm not into supporting other people's sexual habits; they can get their own goddamn rubbers. 

3. 620,327 abortions nationally and not a word from your side. In fact I'm willing to bet that at least 25% of you cultists either celebrate abortion or do it out of spite. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Deluge

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

1)  I have a gun.

2) Yes, I did.

1. Then stfu. 

2. At least you understand your error. Good for you, bser. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nobody’s happy here

You're clearly thrilled. Couldn't WAIT to turn it into political virtue signalling,  you RUSHED to your keyboard and posted in a tone that sounds like you were giggling like a schoolgirl about  how it's a "second amendment celebration".  Certainly a celebration for you,

Disgusting. Real people died but you don't care about that.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

1. Then stfu. 

2. At least you understand your error. Good for you, bser. 

1) Hahaha, as if...

2)  I admitted my error.  I fully understand it.  I do wonder if you do, however.

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're clearly thrilled. Couldn't WAIT to turn it into political virtue signalling,  you RUSHED to your keyboard and posted in a tone that sounds like you were giggling like a schoolgirl about  how it's a "second amendment celebration".  Certainly a celebration for you,

Disgusting. Real people died but you don't care about that.

I think we all do care about that. 

It's people that shrug events off like this as lone-wolf or completely unpreventable that don't care. 

Just the cost of living in Murika, the country of freedom. 

This will keep happening until Americans highly restrict the use of High-powered semi-automatic weapons. Or assault rifles if you will. 

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, Boges said:

This good guy vs bad guy with a gun goes out the window when the bad guy seems to always have these high-powered rifles when they decide to kill many people. 

Obviously not a gun owner, you've bought into the lies of the left  There is nothing remotely high powered about most of these guns. Certainly not the ar-15, it's one of the weakest rifle cartridges there are.

And it doesn't go out the window at all. Two good guys with pistols stopped the dawson shooter and pinned him.  If you think somehow a good handgun is ineffective or can't stop or kill people i'd remind you that the vast majority of killings in the states are done with handguns.

24 minutes ago, Boges said:

I want to go Bowling on a Wednesday night but better take my Military style weapon incase someone who wants to go out in a blaze of glory shows up. 

Take a glock. Works just fine.

 

[Boges]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Obviously not a gun owner, you've bought into the lies of the left  There is nothing remotely high powered about most of these guns. Certainly not the ar-15, it's one of the weakest rifle cartridges there are.

And it doesn't go out the window at all. Two good guys with pistols stopped the dawson shooter and pinned him.  If you think somehow a good handgun is ineffective or can't stop or kill people i'd remind you that the vast majority of killings in the states are done with handguns.

Take a glock. Works just fine.

This dude was military trained. These mass shooters come prepared with lots of ammo. 

You really want to live in a world where you have to be on guard from people like that everywhere you go? 

If everyone has a hand gun, then maybe these guys can be stopped after the kill a few people, but then you have the problem of everyone having a gun and simple squabbles end in Gun violence.

That's where the vast majority of gun violence happens. In the home, because it's there. 

https://everytownresearch.org/report/guns-and-violence-against-women-americas-uniquely-lethal-intimate-partner-violence-problem/

Or when a child knows where the gun is hidden: 

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-015-0057-0

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

I think we all do care about that. 

I don't think he does, or some of the others like NYLeftie.  I'm pretty damn sure they don't in the slightest.

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It's people that shrug events off like this as lone-wolf or completely unpreventable that don't care. 

And who's doing that here? Who did that before he made his comments?

And what the hell does that even mean? The guy is a 'lone wolf', are you suggesting he's part of some organization that planned this?  And who said it wasn't preventable?

 

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Just the cost of living in Murika, the country of freedom. 

So for you this isn't about the people who died or the man who clearly didn't get sufficent mental health treatment this summer.  Doesnt' matter as long as you get to make your political point?

IF the guy had run over people with a car, would you be on here talking about cars being "just part of murica"  and celebrating the opportunity to attack other  people for something that never happened?

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This will keep happening until Americans highly restrict the use of High-powered semi-automatic weapons. Or assault rifles if you will. 

It will keep happening as long as weak brained leftist scudbags keep turning it into a political celebration and demanding that all gun owners are scumbags who don't care about this kind of stuff while making comments about 'murica'.

Welcome to being part of the problem.

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Or when a child knows where the gun is hidden: 

Well the kids are able to make their own, responsible decisions these days. At least according to you people.    

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7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't think he does, or some of the others like NYLeftie.  I'm pretty damn sure they don't in the slightest.

That's a big assumption

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And what the hell does that even mean? The guy is a 'lone wolf', are you suggesting he's part of some organization that planned this?  And who said it wasn't preventable?

The retort that this is all about mental health is completely dismissive of the issue at hand. Other countries have people with mental health issues. NO! developed nations has the epidemic of mass casualty shootings that the US does. 

 

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IF the guy had run over people with a car, would you be on here talking about cars being "just part of murica"  and celebrating the opportunity to attack other  people for something that never happened?

It's ironic that you use cars as an alternative example of ways he could have killed people, as the ability to drive a car is highly regulated. Imagine the shrieks of 2nd Amendment infringement if gun owners were legally required to obtain insurance. 

 

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It will keep happening as long as weak brained leftist scudbags keep turning it into a political celebration and demanding that all gun owners are scumbags who don't care about this kind of stuff while making comments about 'murica'.

So what's your solution then? 

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Well the kids are able to make their own, responsible decisions these days. At least according to you people.    

Yes compare use of pronouns with gun violence. That makes you seem sensible. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Boges

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It will keep happening as long as weak brained leftist scudbags keep turning it into a political celebration and demanding that all gun owners are scumbags who don't care about this kind of stuff while making comments about 'murica'.

Yep, as we saw in this here thread. Coming out of the woodwork like a buncha insects, screaming for blood. 

Especially that aristedes.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

This dude was military trained. These mass shooters come prepared with lots of ammo. 

And yet you're not blaming the military  but the gun.  And you think "these mass shooters" are unionized or something?

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You really want to live in a world where you have to be on guard from people like that everywhere you go? 

We already live in that world. People are assaulted and killed in our cities every single day.

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If everyone has a hand gun, then maybe these guys can be stopped after the kill a few people, but then you have the problem of everyone having a gun and simple squabbles end in Gun violence.

which never happens. The stats are clear - lawful gun owners commit crimes far LESS than others and in the states concealed carry permit holders are right at the bottom.

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That's where the vast majority of gun violence happens. In the home, because it's there. 

Sorry - the majority of gun violence happens in the streets with criminals. The majority of DOMESTIC violence happens at home whether its' with a gun or not. Strangely people don't take the wife out to a restaurant to kill her.  FFS.

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Or when a child knows where the gun is hidden: 

Far more children will die from drowning in pools;

https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html

But i don't hear you advocating for pool bans or tougher pool laws  Which tells me you don't really care about the kids dying, you care about the guns.  If you cared about the kids you'd be worried about what killed them the most wouldn't you.

 

We dont' know the story here yet but so far it SOUNDS like someone did not get the mental health treatment they needed and went nuts.  That's not a gun problem, that's a mental health problem. He could have killed people dozens of different ways - but you're silent about the mental health aspect . How interesting.

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

A bulletin put out by the Maine Information and Analysis Center, a database for law enforcement officials, said Card was a trained firearms instructor and was believed to be in the Army Reserve.

It added that law enforcement said Card “recently reported mental health issues to include hearing voices and threats to shoot up the National Guard Base in Saco, ME.”

 

well THERE'S yer problem .

 

Sure. That's the entire problem; just ignore the easy availability massive numbers of military style killing machines and the FACT that Trump signed the law making it EASIER for the MENTALLY ILL to buy them legally. NOT.

IOW, you post PROPAGANDA as USUAL. ?

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Well the kids are able to make their own, responsible decisions these days. At least according to you people.    

 Only if he was trying to blow his balls off. 

More kids will die from drowing in pools but you don't hear these people demanding tougher pool laws.  They don't care about the kids.

Just now, robosmith said:

Sure. That's the entire problem; just ignore the easy availability massive numbers of military style killing machines and the FACT that Trump signed the law making it EASIER for the MENTALLY ILL to buy them legally. NOT.

IOW, you post PROPAGANDA as USUAL. ?

So you're calling reservist "military style killing machines' now? 

The guy had mental health issues but somehow trump is to blame for that?

Yeash - maybe we should be keeping a closer eye on you if that's how your brain works, seems you've got a few screws loose yourself.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nobody’s happy here but the gun nuts who think shooting sprees are proof that they’re truly free and want the same for Canada

Actually the arms manufacturers are probably celebrating because people being afraid of random shootings ONLY FEEDS their market frenzy.

EVERY ONE of these reminds people they NEED a GUN. Esp when combined with the NRA marketing slogan "Only a good guy with a gun...."

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Beave...

"Photos released by law enforcement as they search for a suspect showed a man with a hooded sweatshirt and a black rifle with what appeared to be a scope."

A black rifle. I don't read AR15. Do you?

News reported AR15 style rifle. Usually needed to kill that many.

The guy is an expert and KNOWS THAT. ?

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

And yet you're not blaming the military  but the gun.  And you think "these mass shooters" are unionized or something?

We already live in that world. People are assaulted and killed in our cities every single day.

which never happens.

 

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The stats are clear - lawful gun owners commit crimes far LESS than others and in the states concealed carry permit holders are right at the bottom.

Cite. And even if that's the case these "rare" incidents are uniquely a US problem. Deaths like this are completely preventable by regulated these types of weapons. 

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Sorry - the majority of gun violence happens in the streets with criminals. The majority of DOMESTIC violence happens at home whether its' with a gun or not. Strangely people don't take the wife out to a restaurant to kill her.  FFS.

It's a lot easier to kill your partner with a gun in the house. It's also a lot quicker and easier to kill YOURSELF, if for some reason you feel like that's an option for you. 

 

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Far more children will die from drowning in pools;

But i don't hear you advocating for pool bans or tougher pool laws  Which tells me you don't really care about the kids dying, you care about the guns.  If you cared about the kids you'd be worried about what killed them the most wouldn't you.

Seems like swimming is a more common activity. And public pools have life guards because of this. In the United States they seem to want as little regulation as possible. No Red Flag Laws, No Background Checks, No limitations on who can obtain an assault style weapons. 

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We dont' know the story here yet but so far it SOUNDS like someone did not get the mental health treatment they needed and went nuts. 

That's not a gun problem, that's a mental health problem. He could have killed people dozens of different ways - but you're silent about the mental health aspect. 

 

What are some of the convenient ways one could kill dozens of people? Do we see many instances of mass stabbings or mass car incidents in nations with meaningful gun control? 

 

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 Only if he was trying to blow his balls off. 

More kids will die from drowing in pools but you don't hear these people demanding tougher pool laws.  They don't care about the kids.

Right. Meanwhile in Sault St. Marie we had 5 people killed by violence, but not a peep from these people.

Because was a domestic dispute you see, they can't politicize it, so they don't give a hootin.

[Deluge]

26 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

1) Hahaha, as if...

2)  I admitted my error.  I fully understand it.  I do wonder if you do, however.

1. There is no way in hell a p*ssy like you owns a gun. lol

2. You DO NOT understand your error, because your cyber gums are still flapping. lol

See, if you did understand your error, you would have already admitted that you hate the constitution and you wish globalists would come in and relieve you of all responsibilities. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

People don't kill people, GUNS KILL PEOPLE!!!

-- the Left

ILL people with guns KILL MORE PEOPLE than when unarmed. --The Left

It should be easier for ILL people to get arms. --Trump (when signing his first bill to make it law)

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2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Right. Meanwhile in Sault St. Marie we had 5 people killed by violence, but not a peep from these people.

Because was a domestic dispute you see, they can't politicize it, so they don't give a hootin.

That's actually quite big news. 

Also evidence of why owning a gun makes domestic murder, MORE LIKELY. 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

ILL people with guns KILL MORE PEOPLE than when unarmed. --The Left

It should be easier for ILL people to get arms. --Trump (when signing his first bill to make it law)

Are you trying to tell me that your only beef with gun ownership is when ill people purchase them?