Complicit in War Crimes

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is the palestinians They attack israelis and then try and pretend that the retaliation is "repression" which is the worst kind of lie 

100%. Compared to other forms of lying, using vile slander to "justify" a slaughter is as bad as it can possibly get.

But there's no low to which left4rds won't sink. They're the scum of the earth. 

[Moonbox]

On 5/12/2026 at 8:19 AM, User said:

Wow. Yet that is exactly what you accused me of and still you are wrong now. 

Yet it's what you keep doing, so complaining about me calling you out on it falls rather flat, doesn't it?  

On 5/12/2026 at 8:19 AM, User said:

That is the logical conclusion of your position, and why you refuse to respond to my questions and keep running from the point of the analogy over and over again.

Since you're making up my position in the first place, any "logical conclusion" you're drawing from that is your own make-believe. 🤣

On 5/12/2026 at 8:19 AM, User said:

Your usual schtick. You can’t debate the substance. So you want to keep quibbling over the analogy and have little more than name calling and saying it’s dumb. 

I'm being specific on substance, you absolute clown.  You asked me to explain why your analogy was retarded, and I did so.  Your intention behind the analogy doesn't change how retarded it was.  

On 5/12/2026 at 8:19 AM, User said:

Notice how you mention dropping bombs in urban areas… so, once again, how exactly is Israel supposed to fight back against Hamas if you oppose them dropping bombs in urban areas and killing people? 

I don't oppose them dropping bombs.  I was highlighting how retarded your analogy was, which is what you asked me to do. 

I could certainly critique the kinds of bombs being dropped and their utility vs collateral damage, but that would require the sort of substantive debate from which you'd certainly run away.  

[User]

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Yet it's what you keep doing, so complaining about me calling you out on it falls rather flat, doesn't it?  

Except, it’s not. You think you and a handful of your leftist buddies are the center of the universe, so that if it’s happening to you, then it must be everyone!

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Since you're making up my position in the first place, any "logical conclusion" you're drawing from that is your own make-believe. 🤣

Nothing make believe about your OMG they dropped bombs in a war! Comment. 
 

What, you want them fighting with sticks in the streets? 
 

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm being specific on substance, you absolute clown.  You asked me to explain why your analogy was retarded, and I did so.  Your intention behind the analogy doesn't change how retarded it wa

No, you just keep asserting it’s bad because it’s different. No shit. That is what any analogy is, while you ignore the point. 
 

 

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't oppose them dropping bombs.  I was highlighting how retarded your analogy was, which is what you asked me to do. 

I could certainly critique the kinds of bombs being dropped and their utility vs collateral damage, but that would require the sort of substantive debate from which you'd certainly run away.  

You don’t oppose them dropping bombs… how exactly? Like, only in on open field where no one is at? You specifically talked about an urban environment. No shit, that is where Hamas is. 
 

You play these strategically dishonest vague games to avoid ever actually being specific on what it is you do support so you can pretend you don’t support Hamas, while the end result is that you criticize Israel and if they don’t do anything then Hamas lives on. Which is why I rightly accuse you of defacto supporting them. 
 

You NEVER explain how exactly Israel is supposed to fight this war perfectly enough for you, because you can’t, it’s impractical and impossible… 

Once again, you continue to run like the coward you are from your stupid crying before about me not answering your question when I did. 

[Moonbox]

47 minutes ago, User said:

Except, it’s not. You think you and a handful of your leftist buddies are the center of the universe, so that if it’s happening to you, then it must be everyone!

Except all that matters is what's happening in these debates and on this forum.  What you do in your private life in your own time is not my concern, nor relevant to this discussion.  All that matters is you consistently (and stupidly) reframe anyone who criticizes Israel on this forum as a Hamas supporter.   

50 minutes ago, User said:

Nothing make believe about your OMG they dropped bombs in a war! Comment. 

That's literally 100% make-believe, because there's no such comment.  🤣

51 minutes ago, User said:

No, you just keep asserting it’s bad because it’s different. No shit. That is what any analogy is, while you ignore the point. 

No, analogy is supposed to show similarity, and though people generally misuse it as a rhetorical device, you've offered a masterfully brain-dead one.  

Comparing Israel's military action in Gaza to firefighters rescuing people from a burning building is utterly ridiculous. Firefighters don’t level the building, bury the occupants under rubble, and then insist the destruction itself was the rescue.

1 hour ago, User said:

You NEVER explain how exactly Israel is supposed to fight this war perfectly enough for you, because you can’t, it’s impractical and impossible… 

Here's that buffoonish and binary reasoning you keep peddling.  Who ever said Israel's actions need to be perfect?  You're demanding I answer questions from a fundamentally dishonest framework in the first place.  Ask a reasonable question and I'll answer it.  Ask dumb ones and I'll just point out how dumb they are. 

When you're ready to be behave like an adult and debate the things people say, rather than your childish re-imaginings thereof, you'll have a better time here.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, that's not what I said. 

It is. And you're STILL unable to refute what i said.  I accept your admission of defeat  

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Oct 7.  You're suggesting Hamas are secular lefties?

Yep, hamas are hard left. Which is why you and the other lefties support them so strongly. 

They believe every aspect of life should be controlled by a central authority  - the ultimate in 'lefty' thinking

They hate jews just because they think it's fun to hate jews - totally a left wing ideology. 

They believe in absolute control of the economy - you don't get more 'socialist' than that 

They believe those who disagree with them should be punished severely - the ultimate cancel culture  

They believe in solving their problems with violence  -  the left is ALL about violence and hatred these days 

They think it's ok to slaugher and rape children and babies because it's their right not to be 'oppressed' - the left certainly is ok with slaughering babies in the name of their 'rights'. 

The left in the united states and canada 100 percent supports them and refuses to speak out against them except in the most minor ways. 

 

Is that enough? Do you need more? There's more if you need it   

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You will always run from giving direct answers to questions, eyeball. Every time.

Give me an example.

[Legato]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Give me an example.

Right there!!

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Answer this question: "What is the goal of Hamas/IRGC in Israel?"

Power mostly. You see a lot of that these days.

[Legato]

Just now, eyeball said:

Power mostly. You see a lot of that these days.

Another example of a dodge with a sport hood.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Except all that matters is what's happening in these debates and on this forum.  What you do in your private life in your own time is not my concern, nor relevant to this discussion.  All that matters is you consistently (and stupidly) reframe anyone who criticizes Israel on this forum as a Hamas supporter.   

That's literally 100% make-believe, because there's no such comment.  🤣

No, analogy is supposed to show similarity, and though people generally misuse it as a rhetorical device, you've offered a masterfully brain-dead one.  

Comparing Israel's military action in Gaza to firefighters rescuing people from a burning building is utterly ridiculous. Firefighters don’t level the building, bury the occupants under rubble, and then insist the destruction itself was the rescue.

Here's that buffoonish and binary reasoning you keep peddling.  Who ever said Israel's actions need to be perfect?  You're demanding I answer questions from a fundamentally dishonest framework in the first place.  Ask a reasonable question and I'll answer it.  Ask dumb ones and I'll just point out how dumb they are. 

When you're ready to be behave like an adult and debate the things people say, rather than your childish re-imaginings thereof, you'll have a better time here.

What a complete load of shit.

Up to your usual tricks I see.  If someone supports hamas @User calls them as Hamas supporter,  and rather than address that you simply try to dismiss it as "Uhhhh,,,,  Derp.... Ummm...  YOU CALL EVERYONE THAT SO I DON"T HAVE TO REFUTE ANYTHING!!!"

You know he's right so rather than addresses points you choose to attack him which is what you do in 99% of the cases. Then when he comes back and slaughters you you're going to try and turn around and pick at one or two tiny parts of his argument and try and redefine what the language means and argue that instead because you can't argue against his point

And in the end when you look like a complete tool you will blame my postcount for some reason 😆😆😆

And yes you are basically saying Israel needs to be perfect. And once again you dodged his question Because he's correct and you have no answer

No matter what anybody says you're going to claim but Israel was wrong. You can't actually present any way that you would find acceptable whether it's perfect or not for Israel to conduct itself because you fundamentally believe that Israel is wrong no matter what.

If you were honestly arguing from a point of view of being impartial about it you would be able to suggest that Israel would be better if they did this or that or this would be acceptable and that isn't but instead your entire argument is to dismiss him using strawman and ad hominem while at the same time attacking everything Israel does without offering any better solution

It's pathetic. And you wonder why people look at people like you and think they're Hamas supporters. If you were genuine you would address the issues and not try and weasel your way around it like some ignorant piece of crap

 

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Give me an example.

Go look at any of your responses. It's always Trying to explain why Hamas is actually good and vague and general terms involving unspecified direct causal actions and simply claiming it's all justified without actually making that argument intelligently

 

Edited May 13 by CdnFox

[User]

Just now, Moonbox said:

Except all that matters is what's happening in these debates and on this forum.  What you do in your private life in your own time is not my concern, nor relevant to this discussion.  All that matters is you consistently (and stupidly) reframe anyone who criticizes Israel on this forum as a Hamas supporter.   

Imagine for a moment… that maybe I discuss this with folks like Nationalist and others who criticize Israel and my response to them isn’t the same as you or your handful of leftist pals. 
 

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

That's literally 100% make-believe, because there's no such comment.  🤣

And yet you brought that up as a criticism to my analogy… 

2 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, analogy is supposed to show similarity, and though people generally misuse it as a rhetorical device, you've offered a masterfully brain-dead one.  

Comparing Israel's military action in Gaza to firefighters rescuing people from a burning building is utterly ridiculous. Firefighters don’t level the building, bury the occupants under rubble, and then insist the destruction itself was the rescue.

Yes, you have asserted it is ridiculous yet again, ignoring the point. 

So… Hamas fighting position, HQ, Tunnel entrance cover, Rocket storage, etc… and here you are saying OMG Israel can’t bomb them!

So what can Israel bomb? Let me guess, only uniformed soldiers on an open battlefield? Send that memo to Hamas. 
 

Back to the whole point of the analogy… 

Israel is fighting a war against an enemy hiding in those homes that just invaded their country engaged in some of the most unspeakable horrors of rape, torture, hostage taking and outright murder of its citizens.

You criticize them… to what end? How exactly do you approve of them fighting this war since you claim to agree with their right to self defense and you claim to not support Hamas… 

24 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Here's that buffoonish and binary reasoning you keep peddling.  Who ever said Israel's actions need to be perfect?  You're demanding I answer questions from a fundamentally dishonest framework in the first place.  Ask a reasonable question and I'll answer it.  Ask dumb ones and I'll just point out how dumb they are. 

I’ve asked you repeatedly now to explain. Even now, I said “perfectly enough” and you dishonestly frame that as perfect so you can cry about the question instead of just answering it. same old cowardly dishonest behavior you engage in. 
 

26 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

When you're ready to be behave like an adult and debate the things people say, rather than your childish re-imaginings thereof, you'll have a better time here.

Behave like an adult… says the petulant dishonest child coward who cries and screams and runs away. Over and over again. 
 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is. And you're STILL unable to refute what i said. 

Yes it is. And I'm in fine company, No one on God's green Earth can refute you. Not be even Einstein.

20 minutes ago, Legato said:

Right there!!

Nope. 

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, Legato said:

Another example of a dodge with a sport hood.

You're saying Hamas and IRGC are not interested in having more power?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Quote

 

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is. And you're STILL unable to refute what i said. 

 

 

Yes it is. And I'm in fine company, No one on God's green Earth can refute you. Not be even Einstein.

Einstein would know better than to try as I have proven to you many times by showing you all of his letters instead of just the letter you usually take out of context

But you're right, nobody can effectively refute the actual truth. And that's the difference between you and I, I stick to the truth and you don't

If I say two plus two is four it's difficult to refute that. And when I point out that you constantly state that the Hamas and Palestinian actions are justified and are simply retaliation for imagined Unprovoked Israeli offenses and that the rape and murder of women and children is not actually a human right as you claim, It is very difficult to refute any of that for the same reason

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

You're saying Hamas and IRGC are not interested in having more power?

You saying there's no other motivation? They don't feel negatively towards Jews for example

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Up to your usual tricks I see.  If someone supports hamas @User calls them as Hamas supporter, 

Why can't he acknowledge that Netanyahu supports Hamas? You don't have any issue with that do you?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Einstein would know better than to try as I have proven to you many times by showing you all of his letters instead of just the letter you usually take out of context

Albert Einstein explicitly compared the Irgun—and its successor political party, Herut—to the Nazis.

What do you mean out of context?

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If I say two plus two is four it's difficult to refute that.

I've seen you people argue till you're blue in the face it could mean 22.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You saying there's no other motivation? They don't feel negatively towards Jews for example

There's all sorts of things they'd like to do but the need more power so, I'd say that's pretty much at the top of the list.

That's why Netanyahu supports them - it gives him more power.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why can't he acknowledge that Netanyahu supports Hamas? You don't have any issue with that do you?

Well he's probably one of these weridos who prefers the truth to bullcrap and has trouble with barefaced lies.  A lot of people on the right have that issue.  

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's all sorts of things they'd like to do but the need more power so,

Then their motivation isn't power. Their motivation is the other things and power is simply a path. There are those who want power for power sake but as you just noted that isn't the case here.

So your original answer was inaccurate, it's not power. What do you feel it is then?

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So your original answer was inaccurate, it's not power. What do you feel it is then?

Probably much the same thing the IDF and Israel want - everything from the river to the sea.

Edited May 13 by eyeball

[User]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Probably much the same thing the IDF and Israel want - everything from the river to the sea.

You are a liar. As usual.

 

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why can't he acknowledge that Netanyahu supports Hamas? You don't have any issue with that do you?

Supports them… how?

You are deliberately vague to be dishonest and make a dishonest point.

 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're saying Hamas and IRGC are not interested in having more power?

No that's what you are saying and another example of evasion.

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, User said:

You are a liar. As usual.

You only have empty words with no substance...as usual.

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, User said:

Supports them… how?

Money.

The Israeli government has been involved in assisting or empowering the Palestinian political and military organization Hamas at various points in its history.[a] This support continued during and in spite of active military hostilities between the two sides.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Legato said:

No that's what you are saying and another example of evasion.

You're saying it's untrue? They want to eliminate Israel as badly as Israel wants to eliminate them, they want the sympathy of the world, they want peace, they want the same things.