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What if Israeli leaders and intel knew about the attack in advance and let it succeed in order to quash Netanyahu's legal problems, ensure his plan to destroy the supreme court and gain an excuse to wipe out Hamas?.


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5 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm Really sorry CdnFox -  i know i shouldn't fake your quotes.  I just get so frustrated when i realize i'm wrong and you're right yet again that i have to do SOMETHING to try to salvage my ego.  The truth doesn't help, so i lie.  I'll try to be more honest in the future. But don't hold your breath.

Awww - that's ok big guy - we are all aware you're inherently dishonest. I mean - you are a leftie after all. it's not like you can help it.

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope,

Yep - ya did :)    Again :) So  - a liar about being a liar :)  Very efficient.

And once again you prove to everyone you're a liar, and yet you get so mad when it gets pointed out :)

Is there ANYBODY on the left who isn't a sack of crap anymore? ANYONE who believes in honesty? You guys must have ONE stashed away somewhere - probably with a gag.....

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Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas

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For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip — money that helped prop up the Hamas government there. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them…

Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting.

The Qatari payments, while ostensibly a secret, have been widely known and discussed in the Israeli news media for years. 

More evidence that Netanyahu wanted the Hamas attack to succeed.

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas

More evidence that Netanyahu wanted the Hamas attack to succeed.

1) Congrats: you just proved to the word that you're dumb enough to have access behind NYT's paywall. 

2) Your own post doesn't seem to accuse Netanyahu of what you're accusing Netanyahu of:

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Allowing the payments — billions of dollars over roughly a decade — was a gamble by Mr. Netanyahu that a steady flow of money would maintain peace in Gaza, the eventual launching point of the Oct. 7 attacks, and keep Hamas focused on governing, not fighting.

Here's the deal robo: the Israelis have known for 50 years what kind of evil they're up against. But do you think that they can just keep arresting Palestinians and saying "They had bombs"? "They were planning an attack"?

If no Hamas attacks ever succeed, almost no one outside of Israel will believe how high the stakes are over there. 

If Netanyahu said: "If those guys get across the border unchecked, they'll burn and mutilate women and children", you'd call him a bigot. All the leftards here would be writing the boilerplate platitudes we've all heard 1,000 times: they're the religion of peace, they were always so kind to Jews before 1917, they aren't the main cause of terrorism in America, zionists started every single thing, everything is America's fault or Britain's fault, the ones who commit terrorist attacks are just doing it because they have a mental condition or they're incels, blah blah blah blah blah. 

I don't believe that the Israelis were caught by surprise on the 50th anniversary of Yom Kippur either, but you'll never hear it from them. This attack showed the world that Gaza as a neighbour isn't good for one's longevity.

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) Congrats: you just proved to the word that you're dumb enough to have access behind NYT's paywall. 

In REALITY, I do not. I copied what I could from paywalled screen.

You just proved that you again jump to erroneous conclusions when you have no way of knowing the truth.

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

2) Your own post doesn't seem to accuse Netanyahu of what you're accusing Netanyahu of:

Here's the deal robo: the Israelis have known for 50 years what kind of evil they're up against. But do you think that they can just keep arresting Palestinians and saying "They had bombs"? "They were planning an attack"?

If no Hamas attacks ever succeed, almost no one outside of Israel will believe how high the stakes are over there. 

If Netanyahu said: "If those guys get across the border unchecked, they'll burn and mutilate women and children", you'd call him a bigot. All the leftards here would be writing the boilerplate platitudes we've all heard 1,000 times: they're the religion of peace, they were always so kind to Jews before 1917, they aren't the main cause of terrorism in America, zionists started every single thing, everything is America's fault or Britain's fault, the ones who commit terrorist attacks are just doing it because they have a mental condition or they're incels, blah blah blah blah blah. 

I don't believe that the Israelis were caught by surprise on the 50th anniversary of Yom Kippur either, but you'llnever hear it from them. This attack showed the world that Gaza as a neighbour isn't good for one's longevity.

The attack's success shows that Netanyahu was willing to sacrifice Israeli lives to save his own ass. AKA, his job.

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

In REALITY, I do not. I copied what I could from paywalled screen.

You just proved that you again jump to erroneous conclusions when you have no way of knowing the truth.

 

In REALITY you just proved you're the kind of 1diot who trusts an article even when he can't read all of it as if it were verbatum  :)

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 The attack's success shows that Netanyahu was willing to sacrifice Israeli lives to save his own ass. AKA, his job.

it really doesn't. But you're making tucker look 100 percent well informed and honest compared to whatever news source you're almost using  but not quite because of a paywall :) 

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Israeli calls for Gaza’s ethnic cleansing are only getting louder

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The human misery unfurling across Gaza finds little sympathy in the Israeli public discourse, where the priority remains the vanquishing of Hamas — perpetrators of the single bloodiest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust — and the freeing of hostages held in Hamas’s Gazan redoubts. Indeed, a steady drumbeat of sound bites from Israeli lawmakers and other politicos has urged an even more devastating fate for the territory.

Members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition have called for the dropping of a nuclear bomb on densely-populated Gaza, the total annihilation of the territory as a mark of retribution, and the immiseration of its people to the point that they have no choice but to abandon their homeland.

This week alone, a parliamentarian from Netanyahu’s Likud party went on television and said it was clear to most Israelis that “all the Gazans need to be destroyed.” Then, Israel’s ambassador in Britain told local radio that there was no other solution for her country than to level “every school, every mosque, every second house” in Gaza to degrade Hamas’s military infrastructure. 

All part of Netanyahu's final solution plan cause he's been systematically destroying prospects for the 2 state solution. 🤮
 

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Putin’s fingerprints are all over the Hamas attack

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Russia has fomented discord, violence and division throughout the Sahel, the Black Sea, the Middle East, the Balkans and the Baltic States. It has done so by sowing disinformation through social media platforms, by direct interventions and by funding and training insurgents to overthrow governments through the use of mercenaries such as PMC Wagner.

Moscow has brutally suppressed uprisings in Chechnya and Syria, supported insurrections in Niger and Sudan, illegally annexed “Russian-speaking” territories in Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and Crimea, and, in February 2022, launched its “special military operation” in Ukraine — so far a failure that threatens Putin’s aspirations. 

He needed a distraction, and last weekend he got it.

The Kremlin’s surreptitious activities resurfaced in a surprise attack on Israel by the terrorist group Hamas, code-named Operation Al-Aqsa. Israel’s ambassador to Germany, Ron Prosor, described the attack as “the single deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust.”

It was a multi-domain assault — air, land, sea, and cyber. Well beyond the recognized capabilities of Hamas, fueling speculation that the terrorist organization received direct support from Iran, and likely from Russia as well.

The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal confirmed the speculation with respect to Iran. Both reported that Hamas “began planning the assault at least a year ago, with key support from Iranian allies who provided military training and logistical help as well as tens of millions of dollars for weapons” — and greenlighted the operation last week in Beirut. They also reported officers from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had trained Hamas.

 

 

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Gen Z Is Listening to What Netanyahu Is Saying. Is Biden?

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“My insistence is what has prevented — over the years — the establishment of a Palestinian state that would have constituted an existential danger to Israel,” Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday. “As long as I am prime minister, I will continue to strongly insist on this.”

But consider Netanyahu’s boast. He is not just saying he opposes a Palestinian state now. He is saying he has opposed it for years. That he has worked to make it impossible. That he has succeeded.

The record backs him up. He allowed Hamas to hold Gaza, and Qatar to finance the group, because its presence kept the Palestinian leadership divided. No one could demand that Netanyahu accept a Palestinian state so long as that state would be governed by Hamas. This was his strategy, and he and his advisers said so.

In the West Bank, Netanyahu allowed settlers to run wild and rendered Hamas’s rival, Al Fatah, feckless. The Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority cooperated on security with Israel, day after day, but rather than raise Al Fatah up as a negotiating partner, he humiliated it. Netanyahu made Al Fatah into a subcontractor of Israeli control and gave Palestinians nothing for it. Instead, he allowed settlers to continue to take the little they had. It is no accident that the Palestinian Authority’s legitimacy had collapsed even before the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7.

In recent months, I’ve been thinking, as many American Jews have, about antisemitism and anti-Zionism on campus. And I’ve been thinking, too, about the polls showing that support for Israel, in America, is generational.

Is there antisemitism on campuses? Absolutely. But I visit colleges constantly. Antisemitism isn’t what is bringing most of those students out to the rallies. Antisemitism is not why most 18- to 29-year-olds see Israel as the aggressor nation. Antisemitism is not why the images and facts out of Gaza horrify. They are opposed to the Israel they know: an Israel that has no interest in peace — that has actively sabotaged efforts at peace — and that can imagine no security for itself absent the endless control of Palestinian lives.

Which is one reason I think the response to the protests on campus has been misguided. This is not a problem you can solve by firing college presidents or blackballing student radicals. Israel is losing the support of a generation, not a few student groups. And it is losing it because of what it does, not what it is. 


 

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On 12/14/2023 at 5:55 PM, robosmith said:

Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas

More evidence that Netanyahu wanted the Hamas attack to succeed.

If I read what you quoted, it says the purpose was to maintain peace, not to prepare for an attack. 
 

And let me add: If Netanyahu prevented the money going to Gaza, why, of course you’d say he’s a cruel, inhumane person who’s making the Palestinians needlessly suffer.  Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t? 

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1 hour ago, Rebound said:

If I read what you quoted, it says the purpose was to maintain peace, not to prepare for an attack.

I don't know. Was it really necessary to funnel money to the Palestinians THROUGH Hamas?

From what I am reading, Netanyahu's purpose was driving a wedge between Hamas and the PA, to guarantee there would never be a 2 state solution.

 

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

And let me add: If Netanyahu prevented the money going to Gaza, why, of course you’d say he’s a cruel, inhumane person who’s making the Palestinians needlessly suffer.  Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t? 

There are, and could be more, OTHER ways to deliver aid to Palestinians. Money can be used for anything absent CONTROLS on how it's spent.

Maybe it could have been controlled or at least monitored through intelligence methods. And I'm betting it WAS monitored and Israeli intelligence KNEW it was being spent on the extensive tunnel network instead of food and shelter for the citizens.

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Half of US adults say Israel has gone too far in war in Gaza

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A new AP-NORC poll finds that about half of U.S. adults think Israel’s war in Gaza has gone too far, a finding driven mainly by growing disapproval among Republicans and political independents.

Broadly, the poll shows support for Israel and the Biden administration’s handling of the situation ebbing slightly further across the board. 


 

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On 2/2/2024 at 9:48 AM, robosmith said:

I don't know. Was it really necessary to funnel money to the Palestinians THROUGH Hamas?

From what I am reading, Netanyahu's purpose was driving a wedge between Hamas and the PA, to guarantee there would never be a 2 state solution.

 

There are, and could be more, OTHER ways to deliver aid to Palestinians. Money can be used for anything absent CONTROLS on how it's spent.

Maybe it could have been controlled or at least monitored through intelligence methods. And I'm betting it WAS monitored and Israeli intelligence KNEW it was being spent on the extensive tunnel network instead of food and shelter for the citizens.

You are victim blaming. 

Hamas sits on a pile of rubble, declaring victory.  Hamas started this war, Hamas refuses to end it, so the blood is on their hands. They’re the government of Gaza, they’re the only ones who can surrender to end the war, so Israel is justified in continuing war until the enemy nation who invaded them surrenders. 

That’s how it worked in WW II and every other war, and that’s how it should work here. Hamas is the party that needs to surrender. 

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51 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You are victim blaming. 

Palestinian citizens are the MOST victimized by this war.

Netanyahu knew about the plans and had no preparation to deal with them. He is as much responsible for the success of the Hamas attack as they are.

51 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Hamas sits on a pile of rubble, declaring victory.  Hamas started this war, Hamas refuses to end it, so the blood is on their hands. They’re the government of Gaza, they’re the only ones who can surrender to end the war, so Israel is justified in continuing war until the enemy nation who invaded them surrenders. 

That’s how it worked in WW II and every other war, and that’s how it should work here. Hamas is the party that needs to surrender. 

The IDF can fight an kill Hamas WITHOUT indiscriminate killing of Palestinians, and if Biden loses in November, ONE BIG REASON will be his backing of Netanyahu's killing 28,000 Palestinians and near total destruction of Gaza. 

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3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Palestinian citizens are the MOST victimized by this war.

They are the aggressors in this war.  They support the war, it's their country, it's their gov't.

And the war could end tomorrow if they surrendered.

Victims? Hardly

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Palestinian citizens are the MOST victimized by this war.

Netanyahu knew about the plans and had no preparation to deal with them. He is as much responsible for the success of the Hamas attack as they are.

The IDF can fight a kill Hamas WITHOUT indiscriminate killing of Palestinians, and if Biden loses in November, ONE BIG REASON will be his backing of Netanyahu's killing 28,000 Palestinians and near total destruction of Gaza. 

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR SKULL: It is NOT Israel’s job to defend Palestinian civilians. That is Hamas’ job. Israelis do not have to die in order to save Palestinian lives. 

German and Japanese civilians were victimized by World War II. That doesn’t make Roosevelt and Churchill criminals. You can also argue that the US could have somehow fought the Germans and Japanese without dropping bombs on any areas inhabited by civilians, so why haven’t you accused Roosevelt of war crimes? 

FACT: Hamas is the government of Gaza. 

FACT: The Government of Gaza invaded Israel, indiscriminately murdered and kidnapped civilians, and declared war on Israel. 

Hamas  wanted a war, now they have their war. Do you understand that? It is Hamas’ war.  Israel should bomb the daylights out of them until they surrender. This has been going on for seventy-five years. Enough is enough.  If the Palestinians want to end to their war, they should tell Hamas to surrender.. Why should Israel leave a weaponized Hamas in place, after they murdered, kidnapped, waged war and promised to continue warfare against Israel? Four generations of attacking Israel is enough. Every time it happens, Israel gets invaded, Israelis get killed, and the US tells Israel to stop so there can be peace… then the Palestinians start it up again. Not this time. 

Cease fire now? Absolutely, positively!  All Hamas has to do is say, “We Surrender,” and the war is over.

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What if we just start by investigating whether incompetence was the cause? That’s far more likely to be the explanation when there is a serious intelligence failure, and there is a substantial body of evidence to back that theory of the matter up. Systems are imperfect. By contrast, conspiracies on this scale are fiendishly difficult to pull off and highly unlikely. 

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1 hour ago, Rebound said:

GET THIS THROUGH YOUR SKULL: It is NOT Israel’s job to defend Palestinian civilians. That is Hamas’ job. Israelis do not have to die in order to save Palestinian lives. 

Get this through your skull: It was Netanyahu's job to defend Israeli civilians' lives and he FAILED. Probably purposely.

If the IDF had been on site instead of (or additionally) in the West Bank helping settlers to steal more Palestinian land, they could have STOPPED the Hamas invaders before any civilians died.

Ask yourself WHY IDF was not deployed in force around Gaza. Pretty clear there was a REASON those Israeli civilians were left undefended.

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2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

What if we just start by investigating whether incompetence was the cause? That’s far more likely to be the explanation when there is a serious intelligence failure, and there is a substantial body of evidence to back that theory of the matter up. Systems are imperfect. By contrast, conspiracies on this scale are fiendishly difficult to pull off and highly unlikely. 

IF the top IDF officers were sympathetic to Netanyahu's goals of destroying any prospect for a 2 state solution, that's all it would take. The rest of IDF soldiers just follow their orders. 

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