Hundreds of trans teens under 18 have had breasts removed in Canada, new data show

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No - that's your job. You're the one who claimed it's illegal

No, I 'claimed' you're full of shit. Thanks for corroborating that by refusing to show any examples of doctors performing major surgery on kids without parental consent.

[herbie]

But someone's j'accuse op ed got published! It has to be gospel truth!

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, I 'claimed' you're full of shit

You got that backwards. And you absolutely did claim they coudln't.  And i gave you a fair chance to prove me wrong,

Butcha couldn't 

Everyone knows you're a liar kiddo.  And its things like this that prove it to them

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Nexii said:

Remember just a generation ago gay marriage wasn't popular.

And a geneartion before that it was all about free love and nobody should be married and don't trust anyone over 30.

And the left was all about free speech - now it's all about repressing free speech and de platforming.

Sometimes change is good - some times not so much.

I think if you're waiting for child mutilation to be normalized, that's probably not going to be a thing. As we can see there's already a lot of pushback and i suspect that'll get worse over time.

After they're adults - my opinion about what they choose to do to their bodies could not matter less.  But - as a society we have always protected our children and i don't think that's going away anytime soon.

But at the end of the day - if there's one thing i know to be true in this world it's mess around with people's kids and you'll find out just how tough you are real fast. Teachers have to leave the raising of kids to the parents, and not keep them out of the loop.

 

5 hours ago, herbie said:

But someone's j'accuse op ed got published! It has to be gospel truth!

So post the stats that demonstrate they're wrong.

Oh - wait, you can't.

[eyeball]

On 9/30/2023 at 3:52 PM, CdnFox said:

I did look it up before i commented.  Which is why I knew i could catch you lying about it    pretty simple,

Bullshit.

[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Bullshit.

Oh dear - look who's lying again

Prove you're right-  or prove you're a lying sack of crap.  Again    It really never gets old

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Prove you're right

Sure.

You still haven't provided any examples of surgeons performing sex reassignment surgery on children without parental consent.

Everyone knows it too.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Sure.

 

And then he doesn't  

Or did you mean that "sure - you'll prove you're a lying sack of crap'  again? In which case , mission accomplished

This is why everyone knows you as a liar.

 

[Michael Hardner]

Chuds don't back up claims.

And they're AGHAST when you suggest that they do so.  

Backing up claims is actually required as per the rules and guidelines of this board.

But they are nonplussed when you point it out.  Kind of like handing a gorilla a fork...

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Chuds don't back up claims.

Chuds don't exist.  It's just your term for people who disagree with you so that you can dehumanize them and therefore dismiss the valid arguments they make.

Lefties like you always feel the need to dehumanize the opposition before anything else. Stalin did, mao did, hitler did, we've got the 'basket of deplorables, trudeau's "bigots and wastes of space' comments, etc  etc.

Whereas those on the right think people like you are the worst people on earth - but still people.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Chuds don't exist.  It's just your term for people who disagree with you so that you can dehumanize them and therefore dismiss the valid arguments they make.

Lefties like you always feel the need to dehumanize the opposition before anything else. Stalin did, mao did, hitler did, we've got the 'basket of deplorables, trudeau's "bigots and wastes of space' comments, etc  etc.

Whereas those on the right think people like you are the worst people on earth - but still people.

I agree his use of "chuds" is a derogatory term invented by leftists to dismiss those on the right as subhuman. The word used long ago was "untermensche".

 

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16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I agree his use of "chuds" is a derogatory term invented by leftists to dismiss those on the right as subhuman. The word used long ago was "untermensche".

 

Chud simply means a deplorable -  that's normally something chuds are proud of being called.

When did that change?

Edited October 2, 2023 by eyeball

[Boges]

On 9/30/2023 at 2:31 AM, CdnFox said:

But parents don't have a right to know and there's no concern about later complications or regrets, according to the left.

Can you cite this from the article? 

Because it states the opposite here: 

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Denying or holding back access to gender-affirming care “can have negative consequences for some youth,” SickKids in Toronto said in a statement. “Decisions for care should be made by youth, their families and their health-care providers, who are best-positioned to support them.”

 

[OftenWrong]

Article makes some interesting points by a doctor.

Hundreds of trans teens under 18 have had breasts removed in Canada, new data show

"What we do know is that regret does take place, and it does take place later on in life,” said one trans medicine specialist, who also agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity for fear of being labelled “transphobic.”

“If we know that people can come to this realization that maybe this may have not been the best decision for them, if that takes place after five years or 10 years, we don’t have all the information to allow patients to make an informed decision.”

For such a permanent decision as the removal of healthy breasts, “I’m always looking at the why, and because that hasn’t been answered yet, that’s what leads to my ambivalence,” the specialist said. “What all this says to me is that we need to be much more thoughtful in our approach and in our assessments.”

 

Here's another part of the article I find disturbing.

"The growth in referrals to specialized clinics could be due to greater awareness and social acceptance, and the teaching of gender identity in school, experts said. But it’s not clear why it’s concentrated in children and teens born female."

 

We already know that a certain number of women have self-image issues related to being a woman in society. It could be these numbers reflect this, part of our failing to help young girls feel they are valuable and important members of society. This issue reinforces that type of gender dysphoria when they are vulnerable.

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When did that change?

When you people stopped goose-stepping around

on your boat deck

 

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I agree his use of "chuds" is a derogatory term invented by leftists to dismiss those on the right as subhuman. The word used long ago was "untermensche".

 

The nazis were left wing   We keep tellin' 'em and they keep proving us right  

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Boges said:

Can you cite this from the article? 

Because it states the opposite here: 

 

Nobody said it was in the article. But it's been cited many times. That's the teacher's positions, there's lawsuits about that going on right now.

[Boges]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Nobody said it was in the article. But it's been cited many times. That's the teacher's positions, there's lawsuits about that going on right now.

So teachers are taking students to the doctors to get their tits cut off?

Like is this something that happens all the time? It sounds like people are using fears of this to fan the flames of the pronoun debate. Because that's all these laws are focusing on, not people taking minors to get their tits cut off without parental consent. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

So teachers are taking students to the doctors to get their tits cut off?

Like is this something that happens all the time? It sounds like people are using fears of this to fan the flames of the pronoun debate. Because that's all these laws are focusing on, not people taking minors to get their tits cut off without parental consent. 

The facts about this have already been posted numerous times before, and it's not hard to find the data  yourself.

Which suggests you're being a little dishonest here. And the whole  routine of  'but if it's not happening every day it's really not a big deal is it? Maybe we should just ignore it".  That's pretty much the standard left wing argument when they can't come up with a real one - "why are you making such a big deal" about kids being mutilated without proper consent?

Just out of curiosity - how many kids would  you say have to be mutilated before it's ok to think it's a bad thing?  10? 20? If 60 kids are mutilated without having the ability to give proper consent and without their parents knowing about it till it's too late, is that ok?  I'm just curious, i had no idea there was  a required minmum for child abuse before we're allowed to care.

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The facts about this have already been posted numerous times before, and it's not hard to find the data  yourself.

Which suggests you're being a little dishonest here. And the whole  routine of  'but if it's not happening every day it's really not a big deal is it? Maybe we should just ignore it".  That's pretty much the standard left wing argument when they can't come up with a real one - "why are you making such a big deal" about kids being mutilated without proper consent?

I just find it it like a bait and switch that an honest debate about Pronouns often gets lumped into this. 

 

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Just out of curiosity - how many kids would  you say have to be mutilated before it's ok to think it's a bad thing?  10? 20? If 60 kids are mutilated without having the ability to give proper consent and without their parents knowing about it till it's too late, is that ok?  I'm just curious, i had no idea there was  a required minmum for child abuse before we're allowed to care.

I would as you, how many instances did the person regret the treatment? Because that detail important as well. It seems you are opposed to any minor getting Gender Affirming Care. 

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32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The facts about this have already been posted numerous times before, and it's not hard to find the data  yourself.

Bullshit.

[OftenWrong]

This is what patents are fighting against. Says the school boards and courts allow children to be guven puberty-arresting hormones without parental awareness.

Parents object as Canadian schools quietly aid students’ gender transition

 

This man tried to save his confused teenage daughter's life. Courts prevented him frim having any say.

B.C. father’s attempt to stop child’s gender transition tossed out of court

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8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This man tried to save his confused teenage daughter's life. Courts prevented him frim having any say.

And courts respected the consent his son's mother provided.

 

[Nexii]

29 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This is what patents are fighting against. Says the school boards and courts allow children to be guven puberty-arresting hormones without parental awareness.

Parents object as Canadian schools quietly aid students’ gender transition

 

This man tried to save his confused teenage daughter's life. Courts prevented him frim having any say.

B.C. father’s attempt to stop child’s gender transition tossed out of court

No proof that any minors were given puberty blockers without parental awareness. They get counselling for social transition which is not the same thing at all. Did you even read the article?

Gotta say it's pretty funny how mad the right gets about things that aren't even happening. Because they wish for it to be true to rationalize and justify their personal aversions, even though it clearly isn't true

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I just find it it like a bait and switch that an honest debate about Pronouns often gets lumped into this.

Well it's not really a debate about pronouns.  It's a debate about alerting parents to a serious medical condition.

If a kid bashed his head and then felt sleepy, you wouldn't call it a debate about having naps. You would say 'someone should be made aware of a possible concussion'.

And unfortunately SOME educators and the like go from "i'll just keep this from the parents" to "i should help the kid by encouraging them to transition and introducing them to medical experts", and yes that happens. Then the kid is considering medical treatments which permanently alter them including hormones and surgeries and the parents still have no clue there's an issue.

So it's not really a bait and switch at all, It's asserting the rights of the parents to know what's happening with their kids from the get go.

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I would as you, how many instances did the person regret the treatment? Because that detail important as well. It seems you are opposed to any minor getting Gender Affirming Care. 

The numbers have also been posted - but that's not what i asked you.  I asked you how many YOU would need to see mutilated before YOU felt uncomfortable. Please - by all means tell us what number of children who's lives were ruined before you said 'gee that's a bad thing, maybe that shouldn't be allowed"?

And 'gender affirming care' is a bullshit term. They are being treated for gender dysphoria, not to 'affirm' anything. And gender dysphoria is frequently misdiagnosed.

I'm against any unnecessary treatments which will permanently scar alter or maim a child until they're old enough to make that decision and fully understand it's ramifications.  At that point i'm all over them having the right to do what they feel they need to.  But for kids?  Not interested.