Vikek and Truth or Consequences

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your "commonly known" is just MORE BULLSHIT.

Blood Clot Risk from COVID-19 Higher than After Vaccines: Study

AKA, the blood clot risk from a COVID infection is 10 TIMES GREATER than from the vaccine. Duh

So you're saying that a normally healthy person may never get a blood clot.

That a normally healthy person with a jab might get a blood clot.

And that a person with The Rona might also get a blood clot.

Boy...I guess Fauci is also guilty of creating a clotting agent too eh?

Good investigative work there robo-bot.

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Are you blind? I posted IT HERE in the Fauci thread.

Johns Hopkins

U.S. OFFICIALLY SURPASSES ONE MILLION COVID-19 DEATHS

 

You mean MORE THAN YOU? Not possible. Duh

"Experts say"

Pfft...go fish.

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Isn’t it gain of function if a scientist creates an enzyme which inserts a DNA strand into cells which replace and block cancer growth? Even though the enzyme is not a virus? Or even if he uses E. coli instead? Now he’s created gain of function within bacteria, not a virus. 

How can that be, if gain of function only occurs with a virus? 

Yeah, you think you know. 

Quote

Gain-of-function research (GOFR) refers to the serial passaging of microorganisms to increase their transmissibility, virulence, immunogenicity, and host tropism by applying selective pressure to a culture.

https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Gain-of-Function-Research.aspx

You can go fish too.

[Rebound]

30 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

BS. I've never seen this data.

The CDC already walked back their numbers. But...

AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!

Pathetic.

Hey robo-bot...here's a high cliff. Someone at the WHO said you should jump off it. Enjoy...

The CDC has not backed down their mortality figures. SOMETHING caused a huge spike in US deaths in 2020.  This data doesn’t get into causes at all, just number of deaths and it spiked enormously in the US in 2020.  These data are provisional for 2021 but final for 2020.
 

Edited August 22, 2023 by Rebound

[Rebound]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You can go fish too.

Where in your definition does it say that GoF research is limited to virus? Where does it say that it cannot be a protozoan, fungi or bacterium?  
 

And why is your source a “digital marketing professional” based in India? Why not an accredited US or Canadian scientist or physician?

Edited August 22, 2023 by Rebound

[impartialobserver]

I think that this candidate has quite the challenge ahead of him. Fighting core human nature is quite the task. 

[Rebound]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

I think that this candidate has quite the challenge ahead of him. Fighting core human nature is quite the task. 

Getting the White Christian redneck MAGA bigots to vote for a dark skinned guy with a name they can’t spell… yeah, that’ll happen. 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Getting the White Christian redneck MAGA bigots to vote for a dark skinned guy with a name they can’t spell… yeah, that’ll happen. 

I have no issue with most of what he says.. except that it is pie in the sky utopian stuff. 

 

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I have no issue with most of what he says.. except that it is pie in the sky utopian stuff. 

 

Oh. You mean, he’s a politician. Well, good for him. He’s high on coke if he thinks the MAGA rednecks will vote for him.  

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Rebound said:

Oh. You mean, he’s a politician. Well, good for him. He’s high on coke if he thinks the MAGA rednecks will vote for him.  

Well.. there is that aspect. However, this idea that the media is some sort of Illuminati that insidiously tries to screw us and we are powerless to stop it unless we listen to him... yeah, this is science fiction level stuff. 

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Well.. there is that aspect. However, this idea that the media is some sort of Illuminati that insidiously tries to screw us and we are powerless to stop it unless we listen to him... yeah, this is science fiction level stuff. 

More like fascist-level stuff, right? 
 

I had a friend who escaped from communist Vietnam. He said the communists would drive cars around with loudspeakers on top, spewing propaganda. Because their biggest goal was to control truth. If you control a society’s truth, you control the society.  That is the goal of any dictator or fascist. 
 

So, yeah, if he cons you into thinking he’s the source of all truth, you’ll vote for him and follow whatever he says.  

Edited August 22, 2023 by Rebound

[robosmith]

41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So you're saying that a normally healthy person may never get a blood clot.

That a normally healthy person with a jab might get a blood clot.

And that a person with The Rona might also get a blood clot.

Boy...I guess Fauci is also guilty of creating a clotting agent too eh?

Good investigative work there robo-bot.

"Experts say"

Pfft...go fish.

Compared to YOUR OPINION, experts say is a slam dunk for evidence. Duh

Oh, and here's a primer on excess deaths since you're IGNORANT about it.

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

 

 

[impartialobserver]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

More like fascist-level stuff, right? 
 

I had a friend who escaped from communist Vietnam. He said the communists would drive cars around with loudspeakers on top, spewing propaganda. Because their biggest goal was to control truth. If you control a society’s truth, you control the society.  That is the goal of any dictator or fascist. 
 

So, yeah, if he cons you into thinking he’s the source of all truth, you’ll vote for him and follow whatever he says.  

When you tell folks like this that the media is a business and that they do things in order to get click, ratings, revenue, etc..  they can just fathom that. It can't be like that... it has to be some big grand conspiracy.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

You mean like the 9/11 was an inside job and the Capitol riots were and inside job and the vaccine conspiracy kookery? Oh, wait. He already did those things. He's a conspiracy nutter and luckily has no chance of getting a Republican nomination. 

Guess why I have no idea what he thinks about 9/11, the almost entirely harmonious and joyful celebration of democracy, and the covid vaccines after reading your post....

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Getting the White Christian redneck MAGA bigots to vote for a dark skinned guy with a name they can’t spell… yeah, that’ll happen. 

Getting a dumb, racist loser like you to vote for a dark skinned guy with a name you can't read will never happen.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

More like fascist-level stuff, right? 
 

I had a friend who escaped from communist Vietnam. He said the communists would drive cars around with loudspeakers on top, spewing propaganda. Because their biggest goal was to control truth. If you control a society’s truth, you control the society.  That is the goal of any dictator or fascist. 
 

So, yeah, if he cons you into thinking he’s the source of all truth, you’ll vote for him and follow whatever he says.  

In NA they don't need cars with a loudspeaker because they can brainwash people like you with a single TikTok video or a tweet. They can get you to turn on your fellow citizens like the Germans did back in the '30s with a bit of covid fear porn. 

You're the prototypical Nazi sheep. 

[impartialobserver]

If you want folks to not digest content that is sensationalist, false, cherry picked, or full of hyperbole... you have to change human nature. We are hardwired to respond quicker and more purposefully to negative events than positive. Insurance is proof of this reality. We would rather spend obscene amounts of money protecting against possible loss than using that money for possible gain. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by impartialobserver

[Hodad]

43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Guess why I have no idea what he thinks about 9/11, the almost entirely harmonious and joyful celebration of democracy, and the covid vaccines after reading your post....

Willful ignorance?

[WestCanMan]

21 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If you want folks to not digest content that is not sensationalist, false, cherry picked, or full of hyperbole... you have to change human nature. We are hardwired to respond quicker and more purposefully to negative events than positive. Insurance is proof of this reality. We would rather spend obscene amounts of money protecting against possible loss than using that money for possible gain. 

I don't know anyone who was financially ruined by the amount of money that they spent on insurance, but I've seen people destroyed by a lack of basic insurance coverage.

It's pretty traumatic and life-altering to get a financial gut-punch along with a physical one. 

 

Kinda OT, I remember watching an episode of 60 minutes (iirc) about people who invested in buying up the life insurance policies of people who were due to be paid out for dying of aids. The infected people would sell off their policies for approximately 50% of what they were worth, and some of those sellers were using the money to buy drugs in the hopes that the drugs would extend their lives. 

Eventually the drugs started working, and some people were still healthy enough to be rock-climbers 5 years after they were supposed to be dead. Great for the people who sold their insurance, not great for the people (vultures?) who thought that they were gonna earn quick cash at others' expense. (It's possible that some of them thought of it as a win-win, enabling dying people to at least get the benefit of some of their own money before they died, it's bittersweet I guess?)

I'd never advise anyone against insurance. 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't know anyone who was financially ruined by the amount of money that they spent on insurance, but I've seen people destroyed by a lack of basic insurance coverage.

It's pretty traumatic and life-altering to get a financial gut-punch along with a physical one. 

 

Kinda OT, I remember watching an episode of 60 minutes (iirc) about people who invested in buying up the life insurance policies of people who were due to be paid out for dying of aids. The infected people would sell off their policies for approximately 50% of what they were worth, and some of those sellers were using the money to buy drugs in the hopes that the drugs would extend their lives. 

Eventually the drugs started working, and some people were still healthy enough to be rock-climbers 5 years after they were supposed to be dead. Great for the people who sold their insurance, not great for the people (vultures?) who thought that they were gonna earn quick cash at others' expense. (It's possible that some of them thought of it as a win-win, enabling dying people to at least get the benefit of some of their own money before they died, it's bittersweet I guess?)

I'd never advise anyone against insurance. 

the point is that with most folks losses hurt more than benefits feel good. We would rather avoid loss than take a risk and possibly gain. If you want someone not to gloss over and keep scrolling.. you have to make big claims and/or warn them of possible danger/loss. How probable that danger/loss is... means nothing. A probability greater than 0% gets the ears perked up (figuratively speaking). I am aware of this and so never react to a story on the first exposure. I only form opinions after reading dozens/hundreds of articles about it and have given it time to see if it is credible. 

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, Rebound said:

Where in your definition does it say that GoF research is limited to virus? Where does it say that it cannot be a protozoan, fungi or bacterium?  
 

And why is your source a “digital marketing professional” based in India? Why not an accredited US or Canadian scientist or physician?

pfft...

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, Rebound said:

The CDC has not backed down their mortality figures. SOMETHING caused a huge spike in US deaths in 2020.  This data doesn’t get into causes at all, just number of deaths and it spiked enormously in the US in 2020.  These data are provisional for 2021 but final for 2020.
 

So...what do we see. Oh my...exactly what I said.

A designer virus, paid for by Anthony Fauci, designed to kill the elderly. To...push them over the edge.

And then there's the CDC admitting that the numbers were fudged. They admit to about 75,000. That means its probably more like a couple hundred thousand.

In short...you been had. Taken to the alter of fear and loathing.

 

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Compared to YOUR OPINION, experts say is a slam dunk for evidence. Duh

Oh, and here's a primer on excess deaths since you're IGNORANT about it.

Excess mortality during the Coronavirus pandemic (COVID-19)

 

 

How unbelievably dumb.

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

1. COVID was responsible for ONE MILLION excess deaths in the US as EVIDENCE POSTED HERE makes clear.

Unfortunate you're too stupid to understand it or too LAZY to read it.

2. I'm always annoyed by you believing you UNDERSTAND science when you obviously DO NOT. 

 

1. HEART DISEASE is the number one killer in America. What are you covid sluts doing about that? 

2. I'm annoyed that you activists try to use science to support your political bullshit. 

Talk about the rising sea levels. Who's under water that wasn't under water 100 years ago? 

[Rebound]

21 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. HEART DISEASE is the number one killer in America. What are you covid sluts doing about that? 

2. I'm annoyed that you activists try to use science to support your political bullshit. 

Talk about the rising sea levels. Who's under water that wasn't under water 100 years ago? 

The Seychelles and the Marshall Islands. Kwajalein is nearly gone. 
 

We don’t use science to support our politics. You’re just a fool who’s been bamboozled by billions of dollars that oil and coal companies have spent on politics.  And they are laughing their asses off at you for being such a gullible fool. The United States is the only nation that has any serious dispute over the reality of climate change. The other nations merely argue over how to address it, not whether it’s real or not. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Rebound

[Deluge]

13 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The Seychelles and the Marshall Islands. Kwajalein is nearly gone. 

I asked who's already under water, not who do you think is at risk - EVERYONE'S at risk AT ALL TIMES in your eyes. 

Let's pretend the sea is rising in those areas. Where is the water coming from? 

Tourism looks alive and well in Seychelles

https://www.seychelles.com/home

Marshall Islands are checking in OK. 

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/pacific/marshall-islands

Do you think the Army had best gtfo of there? 

https://home.army.mil/kwajalein/

Edited August 23, 2023 by Deluge

[Rebound]

14 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I asked who's already under water, not who do you think is at risk - EVERYONE'S at risk AT ALL TIMES in your eyes. 

Let's pretend the sea is rising in those areas. Where is the water coming from? 

Tourism looks alive and well in Seychelles

https://www.seychelles.com/home

Marshall Islands are checking in OK. 

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/pacific/marshall-islands

Do you think the Army had best gtfo of there? 

https://home.army.mil/kwajalein/

False. 
“Most of the 1,000 or so Marshall Islands, spread out over 29 narrow coral atolls in the South Pacific, are less than six feet above sea level — and few are more than a mile wide. For the Marshallese, the destructive power of the rising seas is already an inescapable part of daily life.

“In neighborhoods like Mr. Anej’s, after the sewage-filled tides wash into homes, fever and dysentery soon follow. On other islands, the wash of saltwater has penetrated and salinated underground freshwater supply. On Majuro, flooding tides damaged hundreds of homes in 2013. The elementary school closed for nearly two weeks to shelter families. That same year, the airport temporarily closed after tides flooded the runway.

”The Pentagon, which has a lease on Kwajalein until 2066, has commissioned scientific studies on the impact that rising sea levels will have on the base’s mission. In 2008, a tidal wash flooded the base and destroyed all the freshwater supplies on the island. The military responded with expensive desalination machines and heavy-duty sea walls made of riprap, a fortified granite used in hydraulic engineering.

For now, on Majuro, the Marshall Islands’ capital, the adaptation to sea-level rise is lower tech. In the neighborhood of Jenrok, a seaside cemetery has been eroded by the rising waves — about 10 rows of coffins and headstones have washed out to sea. To adapt, the Marshallese encase their dead in aboveground concrete tombs, but the rising waves have started to lap at those, too.“

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/world/The-Marshall-Islands-Are-Disappearing.html