BeaverFever Posted March 20 Author Report Posted March 20 1 hour ago, User said: No conspiracy, just the facts. Why you feel so compelled to reject them and lie about them is beyond me. Your twisted brain can’t process the facts which I have repeatedly laid out, explained and re-explained. Failure to comprehend on your part doesn’t constitute lying on anyone else’s part. 2 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, User said: You are not answering my question. You just assert talking points with no substantive thoughts or reasoning. What facts for what has happened and where we are at? Keep pretending there is no plan all you want... https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4438252/hegseth-draws-distinction-between-epic-fury-previous-conflicts/ No need to, I've said and you've seen it. You're capable of finding it again if it's important to you. Okay, that link was today. Why wasn't a clear objective and definition of success communicated from the start rather than the mixed responses. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: No I have no problem with it at all because once again I know what I am talking about and Once again you show how little you know. Guzmans job isn’t to personally pick the contract winners. His job is to manage the agency that manages procurement projects. He has substantial relevant experience managing Canada’s largest financial institutions at the highest levels, that includes the necessary level of knowledge for procurement and. financial management that a CEO needs. As a senior executive in investment he would have been involved in reviewing and approving countless procurement projects whenever a major purchase was made. That’s all he needs. Miilitary experience is not required for this role at all and not relevant. The CEO is managing the organization not doing the grunt work in the trenches. And it is called the Defence Investment Agency and he has a extensive investment experience . Executive management is a skill and experience unto itself, that involves a wide range of knowledge of all a company’s functions but not requiring deep expertise in each of them. You strike me as someone who has never had a professional white collar career so this is probably all news to you Here’s another way to explain it: Donald Trump probably doesn’t know how to weld steel beams to run his construction company. His job is to manage the people who manage the people who manage the people that need to know those things. But Trump probably knows enough about steel beams to do his job, right? Its also hilarious toe that you would even choose this point to argue given Conservative and republican habits of appointing unqualified hacks with ZERO relevant experience, and no respectable private sector career or management like Guzman. Poilievre has never had a real job in his life and you think he’s the most qualified leader on earth. Trump’s administration is full of the most unqualified people imaginable and you said you defended that saying that didn’t matter. Nope you are the liar Nope The worst thing about you compared to the other right wing nuts is your propensity to just make up complete. BS. The others usually stick to repeating propaganda and fake news they get off the internet but you’re pretty unique in the bullshit category. You think a company that has never done business in Japan reads that there’s a nee trade deal with Japan so just ships off a bunch of products with not saying “whoever finds this shipping container please send me x dollars to me at the following address”. It ridiculous. Companies wanting to expand to new markets have to research that market, understand what the demand there is, who their competitors will be, how much to charge, how much to invest, what the taxes and laws are and then they have to find customers and sign contracts with them. That takes months, even years Hell in my own career just contracting with suppliers here in Canada can take months amd that’s just for routine in-budget department expenses not borrowing billions of dollars to pivot the entire enterprise And like I already explained to you non-US trade has INCREASED and US trade has decreased, all because of Trump’s tariffs I will say this, it’s a recurring theme here with you and the other conservatives like @I am Groot that you massively underestimate the analysis and planning and due diligence that is involved in major investments. You all talk like you think the way to buy tanks is you flip through a few tank brochures, and the options can all easily and objectively and indisputably be ranked from “best” to “worst”, and that once you make your pick you can just pop by the local tank dealership where they’re all sitting on the lot waiting for you to take home same day. Or for a business that if you get the urge to sell products to a foreign country you just call someone up in that country have a quick chat and then sell them something same day. Nothing can be further from the truth. The contract for these missiles was actually signed back in something like 2017 or 2018. Munitions are refillable orders so the contract you sign for these isn’t to buy x number of missiles or x number bullets. You go through procurement the first time and contract for them to be the supplier, after that you can just order refills of whatever quantity whenever you deem fit without any new procurement or process or public tender and it’s not public record. but you don't know what you're talking about and virtually every other state that you made is wrong or a lie You didn't even know that some of the tree planting program have been rolled into costs for the military until it was pointed out to you by two separate people twice. That's how clueless you are You're more interested in selling out the military then being factual about it. I never said anything about him picking the winners. That was something you fabricated. But he has no experience in that kind of procurement. He has no experience with military contracts or anything of the like So why are you comfortable with him? He's never done it before and he's getting paid massive amounts of money to do it now. He's utterly unqualified. But he's liberal so you're fine with it because screw the military the only thing that matters is the liberals. Denying the truth simply makes you the worst kind of liar. And I see you did that a fair bit too Nobody's underestimating anything. Again you're a freaking liar who cares more about the liberals than about the military. Carney is being hung by his own words. What's your basically saying is carney was a liar from the get-go and I don't have a particular problem with that statement but let's not pretend that's not what it boils down to. So there's no new agreements, there's no weapons purchases, we're not actually spending money on military things in any particular large amount then we were before and you're only defense is that we and Courtney who promised it don't know what we're talking about. God you're a sad little man. I don't know why you love the liberals more than you love our military that is clear that you do. Pathetic 9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Your twisted brain can’t process the facts which I have repeatedly laid out, Your facts are all lies and that has been pointed out by more than one person more than one time. You're just a deranged shill for the liberals 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Your twisted brain can’t process the facts which I have repeatedly laid out, explained and re-explained. Failure to comprehend on your part doesn’t constitute lying on anyone else’s part. Let's review where this was left off. As usual, you want to run away and lie some more, instead of just admitting you were wrong. 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted March 20 Report Posted March 20 (edited) 44 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: I will say this, it’s a recurring theme here with you and the other conservatives like @I am Groot that you massively underestimate the analysis and planning and due diligence that is involved in major investments. You all talk like you think the way to buy tanks is you flip through a few tank brochures, and the options can all easily and objectively and indisputably be ranked from “best” to “worst”, and that once you make your pick you can just pop by the local tank dealership where they’re all sitting on the lot waiting for you to take home same day. I guarantee you that if I'm the minister of defense and call up a tank manufacturer and say I want a hundred tanks, they'll pay attention, and will tell me how fast they can deliver them. Underestimate the analyses? Seriously? How long does it take to compare a Leopard with a Panther? A year? Does it seriously take a year to compare two tanks? A year to negotiate a contract to buy pretty much the same tank as they're already selling everyone else?no surprI remind you that World War Two lasted six years. We've already been planning and 'analysing' for a few years and we need several more to place an order? No surprise it would take them seven or eight year to deliver given how backlogged they are since the Germans have also recently realized that maybe they should buy some tanks. But I bet since the Koreans are eager to please us right now we could get some Panthers within a very few years if we added them to the submarine order. South Korea has demonstrated the ability to deliver K2 Black Panther tanks remarkably fast, often within 3 to 12 months of a signed contract, thanks to its "hot production" lines and high-capacity manufacturing facilities Will they be 100% of everything we want? Probably not. Nothing we've ever ordered has. How long did we take to build those stupid arctic patrol ships that leak and have lead water pipes? But it'll do. Edited March 20 by I am Groot 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
BeaverFever Posted March 21 Author Report Posted March 21 More “tree planting” as I previously foreshadowed Defence Investment Agency awards contract to replace current Canadian Armed Forces assault rifles Defence Investment Agency March 19, 2026 - Kitchener, Ontario The Government of Canada is committed to rebuilding, rearming and reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to ensure they receive the equipment they need to achieve mission success and protect Canadians. Today, the Honourable Stephen Fuhr, Secretary of State (Defence Procurement), and the Minister of National Defence, the Honourable David J. McGuinty, announced that the Defence Investment Agency has awarded a contract to Colt Canada of Kitchener, Ontario, to acquire up to 65,402 assault rifle systems under the Canadian Modular Assault Rifle (CMAR) initiative. By awarding this contract to Colt Canada, the Government of Canada is reinforcing the recently announced Defence Industrial Strategy and its commitment to invest in Canadian innovation. The CMAR project will be delivered through 2 phases: Phase 1 includes procuring 30,000 General Service (GS) rifles over a three-year period. The estimated value of this initial phase is approximately $307 million, including applicable taxes. Phase 2, which is expected to begin in year four under an optional provision, will include procuring the remaining 19,207 GS rifles, 16,195 Full Spectrum (FS) rifles, as well as associated ancillaries. This contract will provide a modern replacement for the current C7/C8 assault rifle fleet, which has been in service for more than 35 years. The new rifles will enhance the awareness, protection, and reliability of deployed CAF members. The project also includes system integration and engineering support. The investment will bolster Canada’s defence industrial base for years to come, creating good‑paying jobs and contributing roughly $10 million annually to Canada’s GDP over the next five years. Colt Canada’s commitment to include at least 80% Canadian content will also generate opportunities for suppliers across the country. Further economic benefits are expected under the Industrial and Technological Benefits (ITB) Policy, which ensures that defence procurements generate long‑term, high‑value investments in Canada. This contract is part of the first wave of high-priority defence procurements to be implemented by the Defence Investment Agency. The Agency play a central role in implementing Canada’s Defence Industrial Strategy by engaging industry earlier in the procurement process, supporting innovation and aligning procurement strategies with long-term military and industrial priorities. Together, the Defence Investment Agency and the Defence Industrial Strategy are making generational investments in Canada’s defence ecosystem—transforming how Canada equips its military, strengthening domestic supply chains, and ensuring the Canadian Armed Forces have the equipment they need to keep Canada safe and sovereign. To replace the current service rifle, the DIA made a deliberate decision to advance CMAR through a direct acquisition for asset replacement, and advanced the procurement using a Risk‑Based Approach (RBA). These actions reflect Canada’s commitment to streamlining processes and accelerating the delivery of equipment to the CAF. This investment supports Canada’s efforts to meet its NATO defence spending targets, while ensuring the CAF has the modern equipment needed to respond to evolving operational demands. Quick facts On February 17, 2026, the Prime Minister launched Canada’s first Defence Industrial Strategy to transform our defence industries by prioritising Canadian suppliers and materials, investing in Canadian innovation and commercialisation, and streamlining procurement to give businesses consistent and predictable demand. On October 2, 2025, the Prime Minister announced the creation of the Defence Investment Agency. This new special operating agency was established to strengthen Canada’s defence procurement system. It marks a major advancement in modernizing the process, aimed at rebuilding, rearming, and reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces to address evolving global threats and meet operational requirements. The newly established Defence Investment Agency is modernizing defence procurement for the Government of Canada. The Agency is accelerating mission-critical equipment delivery to the CAF by centralizing expertise and streamlining decisions. Under this contract, up to 65,402 modern assault rifles will be delivered: 16,195 will be the FS variant, while the remaining 49,207 will be the GS variant. The FS variant is designed for front-line combat roles. It is optimized for offensive operations in urban and open terrain, and it has advanced features for soldiers in Regular Infantry units. The GS variant is intended for broader use across the CAF. It provides reliable personal protection and deterrence for personnel who are not in primary combat roles. The ammunition to be produced as part of the CMAR initiative will also be made in Canada. The CMAR contract was advanced under a Risk‑Based Approach (RBA), through which a procurement is managed according to its level of complexity and risk . This approach ensures that procurements receive Treasury Board (TB) approvals and oversight appropriate to their complexity, enabling timely delivery for the CAF by streamlining processes. The Munitions Supply Program, established in 1974, ensures that the CAF have reliable sources of supply in Canada for ammunition, small arms and related equipment. Equipment is purchased from designated domestic facilities that serve as strategic sources of supply and centres of excellence. The MSP supports the development of a competitive Canadian defence industry, creating long-term economic benefits and thousands of jobs across the country. https://www.canada.ca/en/defence-investment-agency/news/2026/03/defence-investment-agency-awards-contract-to-replace-current-canadian-armed-forces-assault-rifles.html 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: See, that's easy. I bet you're voting liberal next time around. He screwed up by not considering Iran's actions and their impact to the global economy. He's a piece of work though... Said yesterday that he actually thought gas prices would be higher so the fact. they're not means he's winning. The good thing for him is that fools everywhere will buy that. The strait is in a war zone. If missiles were to hit a Canadian ship there would be a loss of life and justifiable uproar asking... exactly why did we do this? We should have done a lot of things, just like your guy Harper should have done a lot of things when he was the PM too. Everyone is an expert with hindsight. Talk to me about what we do to move forward. I see little value in crying every day about the past. It's not going to change the past, and affects my concentration when over the golf ball. He won't be remembered fondly by the masses.... Me included, but I don't spend my waking moments thinking about him. So what if Mexico is supposedly 'ahead'... whatever that means. You're under the opinion we should sign a deal that's bad for us. Most with an ounce of common sense wouldn't agree with that. Correct, I voted for the most qualified candidate we had for PM. And yes, getting on a plane and meeting with foreign governments and investors is generally what needs to happen if you're trying to expand your foreign trade relationships. Wild guess but thinking everything you've got the past 11 years is because liberals have been the only governing party we've had. Imagine if the conservatives were actually able to put forth better candidates than Scheer, O'Toole or Poilievre and what might have been... Oh well. I've never said the world is 'running good'. As I said above though, I don't spend my waking moments complaining about the past. Didn't work in sports, didn't work in business, and sure doesn't work in day to day life. Well anything could happen, hell could freeze over as well. I'm sure his staff briefed him on every different scenario, including the weighing of all the options of doing nothing.... US airforce bombed Iraq for 5 weeks before sending in ground forces....still have a few weeks to go... Yes it is a war zone, if it wasn't there would be no problem with global trade...To be clear it is a war ship capable of defending itself against missile attacks...But in war murphy law rules so anything is possible...they are or will open the strait by force if necessary...The why to open global trade is the answer...to up hold inter national law, the Un charters, and not to be held hostage by a terrorist nation.....if we are not going to uphold those laws and polices that govern every nation why have them, drop out of the UN, dismiss inter national law. And yet here we are, to be able to understand why things are broken and how to fix them one must be aware of things done in the past, for somehow reason we as a nation can not learn anything from past mistakes...even with hindsight on our side...Liberals and liberal voters have a long road ahead of them if they think Justin is just going to fade into the history books so there is that.....and i can understand once, maybe you were fooled twice, but three times, thats on each voter.... You voted liberal because you always vote liberal, don't start making excuses now...And no, what needs to happen is repair our relationship with our largest trading partner first, then you can fly all over the global...signing MOU's which don't translate into trade, but rather maybe future deals...I remember the past as a reminder that liberal voters are very gullible, as they are today.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted March 21 Author Report Posted March 21 Ministers Fraser and Thompson announce $16M in major federal defence investment in Newfoundland and Labrador Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency From: Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency News release Regional Defence Investment Initiative supports businesses to grow, innovate and scale up for global defence opportunities March 19, 2026 · St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador · Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency (ACOA) The world is changing rapidly. The international rules-based order is fading, and technological change is expanding the fields of conflict. The Government of Canada is responding by rebuilding and reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces and strengthening the defence industrial base. Through Canada’s first Defence Industrial Strategy, the government is aligning long-term defence investments with industrial capability to support Canadian businesses, strengthen supply chains, and reinforce Canada’s role as a trusted ally. In Newfoundland and Labrador, the Government of Canada is making targeted investments to help local aerospace and defence companies grow, creating jobs, and building long-term industrial capacity. Today, the Honourable Sean Fraser, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada and Minister Responsible for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency (ACOA), and the Honourable Joanne Thompson, Minister of Fisheries and Member of Parliament for St. John’s East, announced a $16 million federal investment to support five local companies in Newfoundland and Labrador. The investment will help develop and manufacture critical equipment and technologies here in Newfoundland and Labrador, as well as support more than 115 highly skilled jobs and strengthen the following local companies within Canada’s defence and security supply chains: PAL Aerospace Ltd. Virtual Marine Technology Inc. Solace Power Inc. CoLab AI Inc. Rutter Inc. As a pillar of Canada’s Defence Industrial Strategy, the Regional Defence Investment Initiative (RDII) is building a strong, resilient defence industrial base by helping small and medium-sized businesses scale up and adopt advanced technologies. These investments are strengthening Atlantic Canada’s industrial capacity, growing Newfoundland and Labrador’s role in Canada’s defence industry, and ensuring Canada has the capabilities it needs to respond to evolving global security challenges while supporting long-term economic growth https://www.canada.ca/en/atlantic-canada-opportunities/news/2026/03/ministers-fraser-and-thompson-announce-16m-in-major-federal-defence-investment-in-newfoundland-and-labrador.html More info: PAL Aerospace receives $7.5M in federal funding as Canada aims to strengthen defence industry Summarize PAL Aerospace is set to receive $7.5 million in federal funding to develop made-in-Canada solutions for surveillance, disaster response, and other defence-related missions. The funding is part of the Carney government’s Defence Industrial Strategy, which aims to strengthen the military through domestic investment an industrial capabilities. “This support from the Government of Canada through the Regional Defence Investment Initiative is a strong vote of confidence in PAL Aerospace’s proven capabilities and an acknowledgement of the role we are poised and ready to play in Canada’s defence ecosystem,” said Calvin Ash, CEO of the PAL Group of Companies. “This project will allow us to build on decades of experience in aircraft modification and global special missions operations to deliver advanced, made-in-Canada solutions designed to enhance surveillance, enforcement, disaster response, and sovereignty, particularly across Canada’s Northern and Arctic regions.” PAL is one of five companies in Newfoundland and Labrador to benefit from $16 million in federal repayable loans, announced Thursday. Ottawa said the aim of the funding is to help local aerospace and defence companies grow. Virtual Marine Technology Inc., Solace Power Inc., CoLab AI Inc. and Rutter Inc. are also set to receive funding. It’s expected the investment will create 115 highly skilled jobs, according to a news release. “Good jobs here at home and in Newfoundland and Labrador [are] helping build the future of Canada’s Armed Forces,” said Steven McKinnon, Liberal transportation minister and government house leader. “That is the real impact of this investment. We could not be prouder of the role Newfoundland and Labrador is playing in strengthening Canada’s defence capabilities. Through Canada’s new Defence Industrial Strategy, local companies are growing, innovating, and building more of what Canada needs at home to stay secure, sovereign, and economically strong.” PAL did not specify which projects will benefit from the funding, but highlighted its P-4 multi-role aircraft—developed in partnership with De Havilland Canada—and its Canadian-developed C41SR intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance software among past achievements. Atlantic Canada is home to nearly 10,000 direct aerospace and defence, representing 20 percent of national defence industry employment, per the release. “We have the talent, the expertise, and the businesses to lead,” said Joanne Thompson, fisheries minister and MP for St. John’s East. “Newfoundland and Labrador is strategically positioned for Arctic and maritime defence, and companies here are already developing the next generation of defence technologies.” https://skiesmag.com/news/pal-aerospace-receives-7-5m-as-canada-aims-to-strengthen-domestic-defence-industry/?amp 1 Quote
User Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: More “tree planting” as I previously foreshadowed More running away from the facts and refusing to admit you are wrong... 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Well anything could happen, hell could freeze over as well. I'm sure his staff briefed him on every different scenario, including the weighing of all the options of doing nothing.... US airforce bombed Iraq for 5 weeks before sending in ground forces....still have a few weeks to go... Yes it is a war zone, if it wasn't there would be no problem with global trade...To be clear it is a war ship capable of defending itself against missile attacks...But in war murphy law rules so anything is possible...they are or will open the strait by force if necessary...The why to open global trade is the answer...to up hold inter national law, the Un charters, and not to be held hostage by a terrorist nation.....if we are not going to uphold those laws and polices that govern every nation why have them, drop out of the UN, dismiss inter national law. And yet here we are, to be able to understand why things are broken and how to fix them one must be aware of things done in the past, for somehow reason we as a nation can not learn anything from past mistakes...even with hindsight on our side...Liberals and liberal voters have a long road ahead of them if they think Justin is just going to fade into the history books so there is that.....and i can understand once, maybe you were fooled twice, but three times, thats on each voter.... You voted liberal because you always vote liberal, don't start making excuses now...And no, what needs to happen is repair our relationship with our largest trading partner first, then you can fly all over the global...signing MOU's which don't translate into trade, but rather maybe future deals...I remember the past as a reminder that liberal voters are very gullible, as they are today.... Didn't think so... No idea what he was briefed about but at the end of the day, this is on his watch. It's getting a lot stupider by the hour/day as well. That's not good and there's only guy who'll be held responsible. Part of the job. The UN or international law is of no concern to Trump. Can't figure out what he wants though... In the same sentence he dumps because nobody wants to help then immediately says they don't want and need help. The guy isn't right... Ahhhh here we are.... Justin fùcked up for 10 years. Okay, I've heard you guys say that a few times already. Enough already. What's the plan... Pierre now that he was on a Joe Rogan podcast? We just elected a PM last year so worry about dissing him and forget about Trudeau. I'm not sure why you're pointing at me for voting for someone that actually has a resume and did something? I looked hard for the other guys but couldn't find one. Whatever, get over it... 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Didn't think so... No idea what he was briefed about but at the end of the day, this is on his watch. It's getting a lot stupider by the hour/day as well. That's not good and there's only guy who'll be held responsible. Part of the job. The UN or international law is of no concern to Trump. Can't figure out what he wants though... In the same sentence he dumps because nobody wants to help then immediately says they don't want and need help. The guy isn't right... Ahhhh here we are.... Justin fùcked up for 10 years. Okay, I've heard you guys say that a few times already. Enough already. What's the plan... Pierre now that he was on a Joe Rogan podcast? We just elected a PM last year so worry about dissing him and forget about Trudeau. I'm not sure why you're pointing at me for voting for someone that actually has a resume and did something? I looked hard for the other guys but couldn't find one. Whatever, get over it... Yes history will judge him....but lets not pretend Iran needed to get their face pushed in, they been asking for it for decades now....lets concentrate on that.... Well one day when Canada grows a pair and becomes the worlds policemen, then we to can do what ever is in the best interest of the US....Until then if Canada is not going to uphold to those laws and conventions we should pull our signature out of those agencies...Well he learned that from Carney and his stance on Iran...he changed his mind 4 times in less than a week...must be something in the water. Watch the podcast and find out what the plan is...Carney has already given Canadians lots to talk about very little of it is good....and we are NOT going to forget Justin for at least another 10 years...and we are going to rub that in liberal voters faces for about the same time... Ya nice resume, same team , same faces , same id!ots from Justin period...just a new captain....who was an advisor to Justin for years.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes history will judge him....but lets not pretend Iran needed to get their face pushed in, they been asking for it for decades now....lets concentrate on that.... Well one day when Canada grows a pair and becomes the worlds policemen, then we to can do what ever is in the best interest of the US....Until then if Canada is not going to uphold to those laws and conventions we should pull our signature out of those agencies...Well he learned that from Carney and his stance on Iran...he changed his mind 4 times in less than a week...must be something in the water. Watch the podcast and find out what the plan is...Carney has already given Canadians lots to talk about very little of it is good....and we are NOT going to forget Justin for at least another 10 years...and we are going to rub that in liberal voters faces for about the same time... Ya nice resume, same team , same faces , same id!ots from Justin period...just a new captain....who was an advisor to Justin for years.... You can't change history, unless you're Trump. I get it Iran isn't good, the war has already started so no turning back now. It's escalating and that isn't good. They can only fight a different kind of war with any effectiveness and saying today they'll target worldwide civilian tourist sites and infrastructures. Isn't that nice... We're a country of 40M people. We'll never be the world's police and hope we'll always do what's best in our interests, which obviously includes the US. He did change his mind a few times.... probably shouldn't have said anything immediately and waited to know more but whatever, lesson learned for the next war. I heard a guy on power & politics say he'll wait until the end of his life to listen to the podcast. Me too. I've heard Poilievre's comments which are just reiterating what's been known and said for the past year. I'll give him this though from what I've seen/read... he did well. Taking a year to get around to talking in any detail about a trade deal with US isn't going to change my mind. I have no idea of what's being discussed or if Poilievres ideas have any merit. What I think is happening in the negotiations is 'Okay, this is want we want and we don't care what you want because we're bigger, and we can'. That's perfectly fine using that tact when negotiating but I'd also hope we're saying 'we get it, but it doesn't change our mind. No'... which certainly appears we are. Keep yapping about Trudeau. I still think you'll be voting liberal next time around... 1 Quote
John Stone Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 16 hours ago, Army Guy said: It is not amusing to those that serve or have served, being told to make do with a ball of twine and some gun tape, and while our members perform miracles with what they do have, Canadians have know of these facts for decades and refuse to stand up of these same people that guard our nation day and night 365 days a year...And because the people have not stood up , our government has developed that same Cavalier attitude....The only times Canadians get behind our military members and demands action....is when enough have past through the highway of hero's.... So ya not amusing, but rather sad...or disgusting from my point of view... Our government gives the word and those ships will be filled with volunteers, not because they are want to go to war, but because the men and women on the right and left of them have stuck up there hands...to serve our country, to test their training, to make sure their comrades come back to their families...because they understand honor, loyalty, integrity, duty...and a sh!t ton more....something a lot of Canadians do not have... The Halifax Frigate is a war ship designed for high intensity warfare....their crew have been trained to a razors edge, and they can handle any mission thrown at them including open up the straight...It has Ship to shore missiles, anti air defense missiles, 57 mm main gun, torps , and x4 .50 cal HMG....and i'm sure the navy will try to put on some other weapons before going... as for the mine sweepers, once again they have trained for this job for years, finding mines and patrolling is what they do.... and if asked to go the ship will be ready and full of sailors....it is who they are....And they know the risks, and if they become fodder as you say...that's on the Canadian people...and the liberal government... Armament 2 × quad Mk 141 canisters for 8 × RGM-84 Harpoon block II missiles AShM/LAM 2 × 8-cell Mk 48 vertical launch system (VLS) firing 16 × RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow block II SAM/SSM 1 × Bofors 57 mm (2.2 in) Mk 3 gun 1 × Phalanx CIWS (Mk 15 Mod 21 (Block 1B)) 4 × 12.7 mm (0.50 in) M2HQ Mini Typhoon remote weapon stations 2 × twin 324 mm (12.8 in) Mk 32 torpedo tubes for 24 × Honeywell Mk 46 Mod 5 torpedoes Defense is dependant on CCS. Defense is also dependant on detection, tracking, illumination (SAM / STIR) and destruction. The detection fit (surface search) is very dated. For point defense I'd bank on the CIWS - fitted with a pseudo phased array (360 degree) targeting detection radar - autonomous engagement devasting firepower and priority engagement to 2k yds. I applaud ur defense of the Canadian military - so much of what u mentioned has been true for ..................... decades. Oh, Canada. Edited March 21 by John Stone 1 Quote
Venandi Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) On 3/19/2026 at 11:43 PM, LinkSoul60 said: Whatever, don't know about the politics thing... A wise man once said that warfare is simply the continuation of politics by other means... I think he was right BTW. On 3/20/2026 at 11:13 AM, LinkSoul60 said: it's for the simple reason this isn't an alliance led attack and Canada wasn't part of it, nor did we know it was coming. There was a reason for that, it would have been dithered about extensively and telegraphed in a way that would surely have undermined the element of surprise and "concentration of force" (a principle of war) that was very clearly required here. On 3/20/2026 at 11:13 AM, LinkSoul60 said: It was only a month ago though that the world was told their nuclear capabilities were 'totally and completely obliterated'. I find it real hard to believe the level of threat could change from being obliterated a month ago to an imminent threat today. I would be careful about drawing such conclusions from political rhetoric and open source reporting. "Obliterating" a bunker isn't the same as obliterating all of the contents. It was telegraphed far too much IMO. I'm just cynical enough to believe that a goodly portion of the product was distributed elsewhere. They may be evil but they aren't stupid. On 3/20/2026 at 11:13 AM, LinkSoul60 said: I don't think there is any question at all what Iran was/is. I see them as way worse than I think you perceive them to be. The only motive for enriching above 60% is to achieve a level of weapons grade. I'm a bit sceptical of the reporting on this. 80% gets you a bomb and 90% allows it to be incorporated into a missile. I would observe that even if the enrichment efforts were known to be on the verge of weapons grade, any administration would downplay that and act on it rather than admitting it via open source and dithering about the response. At a credible level of 65 to 70% all taking / negotiating is over (meaning OVER) and the jets are getting fuelled and armed.. But that's just me. Iran was clearly working on weapons grade enrichment and they certainly would have used it; thus the action against Iran was going to happen sooner or later... it was inevitable. This action came down to selecting the best time and this was pretty clearly it (again IMO). I'd also add that anyone who sees the present situation as bad would likely have been horrified at the result of leaving it to fester much more. In the absence of US support, Israel would have undertaken this unilaterally (if required) and that action would have been less effective (from a first strike perspective) and more destabilizing than what you see now by orders of magnitude. On 3/20/2026 at 11:13 AM, LinkSoul60 said: The closing of the strait is causing havoc across the globe now and will get a lot worse the longer this goes on. Yup, but even that could have been much worse if Iran were left to simmer. The US is in a far better position to weather this storm than at any other point in its recent history. Not an accident and despite a silly thread to the contrary, no one forgot about the Strait. It was part of the situation estimate from day one... and day one actually occurred more than a year ago IMO. On 3/20/2026 at 11:13 AM, LinkSoul60 said: If there was a request before this began to assist in a supporting role I think we would have looked at it closely and most likely we would have agreed to support the effort. I'd like to think Nato as a whole would have supported it as well. I'm rooting for ya but I doubt it. There would have been too much dithering and telegraphing. That said, it still grieves me that we have become so irrelevant on the world stage that an offer of participation wasn't extended. It's telling, and for good or ill, I fear a page in our book has been turned. Edited March 21 by Venandi 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) As one person said above, Iran did deserve a good punch in the nose. Well...the got punched...repeatedly. I'm not a fan of the USA being directly involved. Its time Trump found a way out of this. Let Isreal deal with their own crap. If they manage to nuke the region...they'll likely lose their own coveted country as well. Great strategy... The Canadian military is what it is. I'd like to see it used better...but without conscription, its always gonna be small and rather cheap. We "need" ice-breakers and battalions up north. As for the carney...same old same old. As Poilievre said, he keeps stealing Conservative ideas and for Canada, that's a good thing. But the man is still a pantywaste. A Loonie in The Donald's pocket. Elbows Up everyone... Edited March 21 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 5 hours ago, John Stone said: Defense is dependant on CCS. Defense is also dependant on detection, tracking, illumination (SAM / STIR) and destruction. The detection fit (surface search) is very dated. For point defense I'd bank on the CIWS - fitted with a pseudo phased array (360 degree) targeting detection radar - autonomous engagement devasting firepower and priority engagement to 2k yds. I applaud ur defense of the Canadian military - so much of what u mentioned has been true for ..................... decades. Oh, Canada. I'm sure that these ships will be paired with other more modern ships....The important piece here is opening up the straits to allow trade to flow, and to participate in a global crises trying to earn back respect for our country and military, which is not that great at this time. I've seen the result of NOT having modern equipment , and the ones that pay for those poor choices are very young men and women... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: You can't change history, unless you're Trump. I get it Iran isn't good, the war has already started so no turning back now. It's escalating and that isn't good. They can only fight a different kind of war with any effectiveness and saying today they'll target worldwide civilian tourist sites and infrastructures. Isn't that nice... We're a country of 40M people. We'll never be the world's police and hope we'll always do what's best in our interests, which obviously includes the US. He did change his mind a few times.... probably shouldn't have said anything immediately and waited to know more but whatever, lesson learned for the next war. I heard a guy on power & politics say he'll wait until the end of his life to listen to the podcast. Me too. I've heard Poilievre's comments which are just reiterating what's been known and said for the past year. I'll give him this though from what I've seen/read... he did well. Taking a year to get around to talking in any detail about a trade deal with US isn't going to change my mind. I have no idea of what's being discussed or if Poilievres ideas have any merit. What I think is happening in the negotiations is 'Okay, this is want we want and we don't care what you want because we're bigger, and we can'. That's perfectly fine using that tact when negotiating but I'd also hope we're saying 'we get it, but it doesn't change our mind. No'... which certainly appears we are. Keep yapping about Trudeau. I still think you'll be voting liberal next time around... Like you said the war is escalating, up until now most of Irans oil production and delivery systems have been left alone, i think you might see these hit in the future....Iran is still exporting 65 % of their oil production, and at this new world price they are still benefiting from these sales... Thats my point , we have always been quick to judge any US actions, in fact we have made it a national sport of sorts, it is easy to sit in the generals chair and judge anyone...while we sit here enjoying all these social programs, while Americans don't have a choice lacking those same programs, being the world policemen means constantly equipping a huge military.. That's another problem with Canadians we are very head strong, and refuse to listen to anything except what has been approved by the liberal party...Poilievre was very respectful of Carney, and did no finger pointing during the conversation....something Carney needs to learn...Your right the message is to powerful for you to hear anyways...you might even be a convert... What we want is free trade without any tariffs... Well thanks for the permission, i mean you guys talk the Sh1t about him for 10 plus years....and now that he is the worst PM ever, and has given the liberals a black eye suddenly you don't want to hear any of it...that's not how this works.. you need to step up and own that stuff...even the bad stuff... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
John Stone Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: I'm sure that these ships will be paired with other more modern ships....The important piece here is opening up the straits to allow trade to flow, and to participate in a global crises trying to earn back respect for our country and military, which is not that great at this time. I've seen the result of NOT having modern equipment , and the ones that pay for those poor choices are very young men and women... ............. only a modern equipped military will have the ability to contribute in fighting a modern and diverse war. All else is politics......... domestic fodder for the ignorant on such matters. Edited March 21 by John Stone 1 Quote
John Stone Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 Domestic fodder - here's an example....... "I bear solemn witness to the fact that NATO heads of state and of government meet only to go through the tedious motions of reading speeches, drafter by others, with the principal objective of not rocking the boat." / Pierre E. Trudeau. 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 11 hours ago, Venandi said: A wise man once said that warfare is simply the continuation of politics by other means... I think he was right BTW. I wonder if that wise man saw the warfare in politics to what it is now....but regardless, he is right. I just accept it for what it is, very different times around the world politically, economically and socially. Curious to see how the politicians lead us forward. 11 hours ago, Venandi said: There was a reason for that, it would have been dithered about extensively and telegraphed in a way that would surely have undermined the element of surprise and "concentration of force" (a principle of war) that was very clearly required here. There are direct lines of communication from Trump to each country leader. They built up their fleet in the region so it wasn't a surprise there. The timing and actually doing it was I'm sure. A quick 2 minute one on one call could have went a long way. 11 hours ago, Venandi said: I would be careful about drawing such conclusions from political rhetoric and open source reporting. "Obliterating" a bunker isn't the same as obliterating all of the contents. It was telegraphed far too much IMO. I'm just cynical enough to believe that a goodly portion of the product was distributed elsewhere. They may be evil but they aren't stupid. I'm not drawing any conclusions from politics or otherwise, it's right from Trump. I think most have him somewhat figured out now, if that makes sense. Definitely agree on the telegraphing. There is definitely an arrogance, and rightfully so, that Trump and Hegseth like to talk about. I also agree there has to be nuclear materials elsewhere, but I'm cynical enough to think the end game will somehow finish with a financial agreement. 12 hours ago, Venandi said: I see them as way worse than I think you perceive them to be. That could well be, and honestly wasn't as aware of their depth of nastiness as I am now. I have no disagreement at all with eliminating the leaders of the regime and the bad guys but this has proved to be way more complicated than I'm sure what was expected. It's hindsight, this should have been looked differently, and with allies involved which to your earlier comment, the continuation of war in the political world. 12 hours ago, Venandi said: Yup, but even that could have been much worse if Iran were left to simmer. The US is in a far better position to weather this storm than at any other point in its recent history. Not an accident and despite a silly thread to the contrary, no one forgot about the Strait. It was part of the situation estimate from day one... and day one actually occurred more than a year ago IMO. I'm curious how this ends with Iran and US, if it does, but agree the US is in good shape militarily, but won't be politically if it drags on. I'm certain the straight was looked at but clearly they've been surprised by Iran and their tactics. They can't go toe to toe with the US but are throwing some jabs that obviously have them off balance. Warfare is a lot cheaper and easier these days. 12 hours ago, Venandi said: I'm rooting for ya but I doubt it. There would have been too much dithering and telegraphing. That said, it still grieves me that we have become so irrelevant on the world stage that an offer of participation wasn't extended. It's telling, and for good or ill, I fear a page in our book has been turned. It is what it is. If a friend needs help you help them, but the karma of this was/is pretty damn good. This didn't have to do with our standing in the world. It had everything to do with Trump and his Israeli buddy. No other country was invited to the party either so these guys clearly thought they could get it done themselves. I have no shame of irrelevance at all. We never have and never will be a superpower militarily or economically in the global sense, but we've known that forever. We got problems and so does everyone else. The world's changing but I think we're hanging out more with the right people now, including the US, as it changes. Quote
Venandi Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: They built up their fleet in the region so it wasn't a surprise there. Largely sold as support (or potential support) for the demonstrators... I enjoyed watching that slant on things BTW. When you consider the situation and contributing factors in totality, I think Israel was poised to go it alone, that would have come with a huge element of surprise in its own right but would have created greater instability and regional animosity in the doing of it (without US support). The US build up couldn't very well be hidden but it could (and IMO was) nudged toward supporting smaller scale political objectives even though coordination with Israel was ongoing from the get go. There was nothing small scale about the actual intentions here (again I would hasten to add the caveat of IMO). 5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: There are direct lines of communication from Trump to each country leader. The potential dithering, leakage, delays, and telegraphing here are beyond the pale. Being as Israeli participation was a given, there is no way I would have involved NATO either... but that's just me. A couple of trusted allies (for credibility sake) maybe but that's all. Hard and fast was required and NATO is (most definitely) neither of those things. 5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: I'm not drawing any conclusions from politics or otherwise, A wise perspective. Little here, including Iranian progress on enrichment, delivery technology, or the extent of their evil intentions is as it seems at first glance... some of the rhetoric here tends to support that notion too. I don't think most people really saw Iran's potential for being the exporter of chaos it truly would have become. Only now are some of the light bulbs getting turned on. This was going to happen with or without US participation and their participation served to mitigate the regional support for Iran that might otherwise have been garnered and focussed squarely on Israel alone. There's a Robo thread for ya eh? I think Iran's rocket capabilities might have surprised a few folks too. The only reason they would have developed a two stage, 5000 km capability is to deliver nukes. My opinion again but NATO should have been a bit more nervous about all this. As mentioned above, the time was right, the US was well positioned, Israel would have acted unilaterally anyway and it needed to be sharp, focussed, quick and brutal. NATO fits none of the parameters and that's why those phones didn't ring. 5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: We never have and never will be a superpower militarily or economically in the global sense, but we've known that forever. Yet we lend (or used to lend) a measure of political credibility to the operation itself and the political and military objectives intended. NATO is a big hungry, bloated beast... I'd have thrown them a bale of hay and some oats to keep them quiet but still would have taken comfort in limited participation from the likes of Canada and the UK. We used to be mentioned in the same sentence but those days have passed. It wasn't about being a super power or the extent of the support provided, it was about the credibility we brought to the table. AAR support and a six pack was more valuable for the statement it made than the fuel it provided or the kinetic involvement is ultimately would have provided. If nothing else it might have been viewed as a healing "balm" (get it) for some of the current bilateral trade wounds. Edited March 22 by Venandi Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 21 hours ago, Army Guy said: Like you said the war is escalating, up until now most of Irans oil production and delivery systems have been left alone, i think you might see these hit in the future....Iran is still exporting 65 % of their oil production, and at this new world price they are still benefiting from these sales... Thats my point , we have always been quick to judge any US actions, in fact we have made it a national sport of sorts, it is easy to sit in the generals chair and judge anyone...while we sit here enjoying all these social programs, while Americans don't have a choice lacking those same programs, being the world policemen means constantly equipping a huge military.. That's another problem with Canadians we are very head strong, and refuse to listen to anything except what has been approved by the liberal party...Poilievre was very respectful of Carney, and did no finger pointing during the conversation....something Carney needs to learn...Your right the message is to powerful for you to hear anyways...you might even be a convert... What we want is free trade without any tariffs... Well thanks for the permission, i mean you guys talk the Sh1t about him for 10 plus years....and now that he is the worst PM ever, and has given the liberals a black eye suddenly you don't want to hear any of it...that's not how this works.. you need to step up and own that stuff...even the bad stuff... The price oil is benefitting producers, exporting countries, investors and shareholders. The other 99%+ of the population, not so much. I'll bet that an outcome to the end of this war will involve oil being leveraged and someone profiting from that... That's what the media and other social platforms allow people to do... voice their opinions in any way they choose. A country of 40M people is never going to be the world's police as long as the US, China and Russia have the means and weaponry they do. At best, we'll always be a military support mechanism to the US or the Europe alliance. That works for me. We are headstrong and that's a good quality to have of you have the right values. In regards to Poilievre, he very well may have suggested some valid ideas around trade with the US, but he's a year late in doing and I'm sure the discussions we're having as another year ahead of his thinking. At the end of the day though, it's become quite clear that the US is telling us what they want, not negotiating it. Yes, wanting free trade with no tariffs was the crux of Poilievre's of his US tour messaging. We can only hope that Carney and team have thought of that and bringing it into the discussions. I'm not a political historian and no idea where Trudeau will rank as time goes on, but I agree he won't be looked upon favourably. Certainly won't from me either. The difference though is that I've moved on. There's jackshît you can do about it so maybe time to move on as well... Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 6 hours ago, Venandi said: Largely sold as support (or potential support) for the demonstrators... I enjoyed watching that slant on things BTW. When you consider the situation and contributing factors in totality, I think Israel was poised to go it alone, that would have come with a huge element of surprise in its own right but would have created greater instability and regional animosity in the doing of it (without US support). The US build up couldn't very well be hidden but it could (and IMO was) nudged toward supporting smaller scale political objectives even though coordination with Israel was ongoing from the get go. There was nothing small scale about the actual intentions here (again I would hasten to add the caveat of IMO). The only slants I could have put on the US fleet build-up in the region was, they're either bluffing or they're actually going to do it. In hindsight, I don't think there is any question right now that Trump would have preferred Israel go it alone, regardless of what appears to be pleasure he gets from US missiles destroying infrastructure and people. 6 hours ago, Venandi said: The potential dithering, leakage, delays, and telegraphing here are beyond the pale. Being as Israeli participation was a given, there is no way I would have involved NATO either... but that's just me. A couple of trusted allies (for credibility sake) maybe but that's all. Hard and fast was required and NATO is (most definitely) neither of those things. Exactly, a couple quick one on one calls with trusted allies like the UK and France was all he needed. If they're trusted there would be no concern of leaks. To start a war and then suddenly want to use UK air bases and France support without first engaging them... I think their responses were very appropriate. 6 hours ago, Venandi said: A wise perspective. Little here, including Iranian progress on enrichment, delivery technology, or the extent of their evil intentions is as it seems at first glance... some of the rhetoric here tends to support that notion too. I don't think most people really saw Iran's potential for being the exporter of chaos it truly would have become. Only now are some of the light bulbs getting turned on. This was going to happen with or without US participation and their participation served to mitigate the regional support for Iran that might otherwise have been garnered and focussed squarely on Israel alone. There's a Robo thread for ya eh? I think Iran's rocket capabilities might have surprised a few folks too. The only reason they would have developed a two stage, 5000 km capability is to deliver nukes. My opinion again but NATO should have been a bit more nervous about all this. As mentioned above, the time was right, the US was well positioned, Israel would have acted unilaterally anyway and it needed to be sharp, focussed, quick and brutal. NATO fits none of the parameters and that's why those phones didn't ring. I don't know enough about Iran's once or current capabilities to comment on the threat they were globally, but if your opinions are fact it only validates my opinion that the US should have engaged allies prior to starting the war. If those NATO countries should have been nervous about being possible targets of Iran's aggression, every and all the more reason to engage them. 6 hours ago, Venandi said: Yet we lend (or used to lend) a measure of political credibility to the operation itself and the political and military objectives intended. NATO is a big hungry, bloated beast... I'd have thrown them a bale of hay and some oats to keep them quiet but still would have taken comfort in limited participation from the likes of Canada and the UK. We used to be mentioned in the same sentence but those days have passed. It wasn't about being a super power or the extent of the support provided, it was about the credibility we brought to the table. AAR support and a six pack was more valuable for the statement it made than the fuel it provided or the kinetic involvement is ultimately would have provided. If nothing else it might have been viewed as a healing "balm" (get it) for some of the current bilateral trade wounds. Again, no other country was invited to this party so I take no offence Canada didn't;t get an invitation. This was supposed to be a two man show, or a one man show in Trump's mind, until it wasn't. I think where we probably differ here is the disappointment you have in how Canada has devolved in our military capabilities and standing over the past 20 years, but more so the last decade. I wholly agree with that but the world from where I sat was a different place and rightly or wrongly we always thought we had big brother next door to help. Clearly it wasn't the way to view the world but we've acknowledged that and are now trying to put on our big boy pants with the plan and dollars being invested to hopefully get us back to being that formidable military ally. 20 years of neglect can't be fixed overnight... Quote
Army Guy Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: The price oil is benefitting producers, exporting countries, investors and shareholders. The other 99%+ of the population, not so much. I'll bet that an outcome to the end of this war will involve oil being leveraged and someone profiting from that... That's what the media and other social platforms allow people to do... voice their opinions in any way they choose. A country of 40M people is never going to be the world's police as long as the US, China and Russia have the means and weaponry they do. At best, we'll always be a military support mechanism to the US or the Europe alliance. That works for me. We are headstrong and that's a good quality to have of you have the right values. In regards to Poilievre, he very well may have suggested some valid ideas around trade with the US, but he's a year late in doing and I'm sure the discussions we're having as another year ahead of his thinking. At the end of the day though, it's become quite clear that the US is telling us what they want, not negotiating it. Yes, wanting free trade with no tariffs was the crux of Poilievre's of his US tour messaging. We can only hope that Carney and team have thought of that and bringing it into the discussions. I'm not a political historian and no idea where Trudeau will rank as time goes on, but I agree he won't be looked upon favourably. Certainly won't from me either. The difference though is that I've moved on. There's jackshît you can do about it so maybe time to move on as well... Someone always profits from... Sounds like a double standard, we appreciate the US as the worlds policemen, but slag them every chance we have...and if we accept that we are a military support mechanism to the US agenda, we should get on with the job, we should have been first in line to volunteer to open the strait instead of being wishy washy about the whole thing...not the first time he has not been decisive... What values are those ? he is here now and he is support the nation in the process. Did you really think that Trump was going to do anything else wise....He knows we need them more than they need us.. and they have had enough of Canada poking the bear for a few voters points....now the bear is pissed off what exactly will that bring to the table...for Canada. it brings nothing....except contempt ..So yes now they are telling us , we are going to continue tariffs including many items covered un der Cusma and we will have to l give up most of the cartel tariffs in doing so...Come this summer they will rip up Cusma and Canada will be stuck , but at least we are headstrong, kind of hard to eat headstrong... You can hope Carney mentioned it , but i'm pretty sure that is to late.... He has put Canada and Canadians in the position we find ourselves right now.. So ya ask any conservative if they will stop picking on one of the liberals crown jewels....not likely...and not just justin, but also the voters that put him there...Sorry...it is not going to happen. There is lots i can do, by constantly reminding you that liberal voters are really gullible.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Someone always profits from... Sounds like a double standard, we appreciate the US as the worlds policemen, but slag them every chance we have...and if we accept that we are a military support mechanism to the US agenda, we should get on with the job, we should have been first in line to volunteer to open the strait instead of being wishy washy about the whole thing...not the first time he has not been decisive... What values are those ? he is here now and he is support the nation in the process. Did you really think that Trump was going to do anything else wise....He knows we need them more than they need us.. and they have had enough of Canada poking the bear for a few voters points....now the bear is pissed off what exactly will that bring to the table...for Canada. it brings nothing....except contempt ..So yes now they are telling us , we are going to continue tariffs including many items covered un der Cusma and we will have to l give up most of the cartel tariffs in doing so...Come this summer they will rip up Cusma and Canada will be stuck , but at least we are headstrong, kind of hard to eat headstrong... You can hope Carney mentioned it , but i'm pretty sure that is to late.... He has put Canada and Canadians in the position we find ourselves right now.. So ya ask any conservative if they will stop picking on one of the liberals crown jewels....not likely...and not just justin, but also the voters that put him there...Sorry...it is not going to happen. There is lots i can do, by constantly reminding you that liberal voters are really gullible.... Maybe I'm naive, but a goal of profiting from a war when people are going to clearly die isn't cool. There are other ways of making money. You keep getting confused on the US versus Trump. I certainly do, and would guess the vast majority of Canadian's very much like the US and appreciate its support. I'd say the exact opposite when it comes to Trump though. Answer me this.... why should we have been the first in line when very little of eliminating Iran has anything directly to do with Canada. I think it could be said there is a point to that for allies in closer proximity to them, but more so.... why aren't the Asian countries involved in helping when they are the ones most hurting because of their dependance on Iranian oil trade? No, I've said that Trump is doing what he thinks is best for his country, which is his job. My only disagreement is with how he has approached that by shîtting on decades long allies rather than having mature conversations before fùcking them over. We can talk about this until we're blue in the face, it's not going to change the obvious.... you don't agree to something that is not a benefit to the country, and clearly, that is why no deal has been made. I'm of the same opinion that the vast majority of Canada's have.... if you only want to a negotiate a win/lose deal, it's not happening and it doesn't matter how long it drags on. Lol... I understand your dislike of liberals and Carney but if you thought clearly for a minute you'd agree that his business acumen is lightyears beyond Poilievre's. Yes and no... Trudeau is very responsible for many of our shortcomings and challenges right now but again, okay now what... Do we sit around and cry about it every day like you guys do or do we put it in the rearview mirror and learn from those mistakes, which so far the new guy seems to have, and move forward. Nothing I've ever been involved with throughout my life was constant complaining tolerated. You were either part of the problem with the bîtching, or you were part of the solution. Your guy lost a 27% poll lead very much because of bîthcing and lack of solutions. Don't be a Poilievre, move on and forget about Trudeau.... Quote
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