Canadian Defence News

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Canadian Army looks to spend more than $6 billion on new howitzers and rockets

Hanwha, a South Korean firm, is chasing both contracts.
 

 

The Indirect Fires Modernization program, expected to cost more than $5 billion, will see the acquisition of self-propelled 155-mm artillery, ammunition as well as new mortar systems, according to a Canadian Army briefing for industry presented April 8 in Ottawa.

In addition, Polish soldiers are currently undergoing training on the Chunmoo high mobility rocket systems which were purchased to counter Russian aggression.

The focus for Hanwha is not only on partnering with Canadian firms but delivering high technology quickly, Michael Coulter, CEO of Hanwha Global Defence, said in an interview Tuesday. Technology transfer allows Canada to make sure it has sovereign control over its military equipment, a particular area of concern for a number of nations considering some of the issues that have emerged with U.S. equipment.

“We can deliver very quickly on time to make a difference for the military and the politicians for sovereign capabilities,” Coulter said.

The K9 self-propelled howitzers and the accompanying K10 ammunition resupply vehicles can be delivered in 12 months once a contract is signed. Chunmoo systems would arrive within 24 months. In addition, the systems are interoperable with U.S. equipment. Coulter noted the U.S. military has expressed an interest in seeing the K9 tested for its forces.

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Coulter said Hanwha already has 10 agreements in place to work with Canadian companies and more such arrangements are expected to be announced at the CANSEC military trade showwhich takes place in Ottawa on May 28 and 29.

The Liberal government has also stated it will purchase up to 12 new submarines for the Royal Canadian Navy. Hanwha is offering its KSS-III submarine for that program. If the contract was signed in 2026 the first submarine could be delivered by 2032, according to company officials.

The South Korean submarines, three of which are already built, can operate underwater for more than three weeks, without having to surface. In addition, the boats have a range of more than 7,000 nautical miles. Both capabilities would make them valuable for Arctic operations, company officials say.

Maintenance facilities would be established in Canada, and unlike with U.S. weapon systems, the South Koreans would provide Canada with total access to the onboard technology. South Korea developed its own robust defence industry after being hit by rising prices and unreasonable demands linked to U.S.-produced equipment.
 

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/canadian-army-new-howitzers-rockets

Not sure why they are looking at south korea for Army equipment, when the government wants to join the Arm Europe, PZH-2000 built by germany is a much better vehicle, and germany is also now making their own version of the Himars which can fire all NATO rockets...don't get me wrong, it is fantastic news that they are finally looking at these capabilities.... I just hope they fully outfit the forces with the whole gambit of Arty systems, like a wheel version such as Sweden's truck based veh, a vehicle mounted mortar, plus a new lightweight ground mount version... new counter mortar/ arty fire systems, new FCS system, and maybe spark up a massive buy of arty shells, even a new massive ammo plant. 

[BeaverFever]

41 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Not sure why they are looking at south korea for Army equipment, when the government wants to join the Arm Europe, PZH-2000 built by germany is a much better vehicle, and germany is also now making their own version of the Himars which can fire all NATO rockets...don't get me wrong, it is fantastic news that they are finally looking at these capabilities.... I just hope they fully outfit the forces with the whole gambit of Arty systems, like a wheel version such as Sweden's truck based veh, a vehicle mounted mortar, plus a new lightweight ground mount version... new counter mortar/ arty fire systems, new FCS system, and maybe spark up a massive buy of arty shells, even a new massive ammo plant. 

Yeah with all tje signaling about ReArm Europe I would be somewhat surprised if they went to SK. Although Ive read many positive things about the latest SK vehicles and tech. I’ve recently read other articles that SK is aggressively marketing its submarines in Canada also. I think the biggest selling point is they not only have high quality but they seem to have very quick production and delivery timelines, which may be especially attractive if ReArm Europe is going to mean long wait times for anything coming out of Europe due to sudden overwhelming demand. And SK maybe also has more attractive pricing. 
 

Also while we’re trying to double down on Europe, we’re also trying to grow trading relations in Asia and anywhere that’s not USA so maybe some SK military procurement will help sweeten those dealings. 

Edited May 29 by BeaverFever

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah with all tje signaling about ReArm Europe I would be somewhat surprised if they went to SK. Although Ive read many positive things about the latest SK vehicles and tech. I’ve recently read other articles that SK is aggressively marketing its submarines in Canada also. I think the biggest selling point is they not only have high quality but they seem to have very quick production and delivery timelines, which may be especially attractive if ReArm Europe is going to mean long wait times for anything coming out of Europe due to sudden overwhelming demand. And SK maybe also has more attractive pricing. 
 

Also while we’re trying to double down on Europe, we’re also trying to grow trading relations in Asia and anywhere that’s not USA so maybe some SK military procurement will help sweeten those dealings. 

Poland seems very happy with all the army equipment they purchased,and no one is going to compete with their delivery times....Rearm europe has already clogged up production delivery times, like new leopards is almost 3 years out...

I do like SK naval inventory, like their subs, and massive destroyers at a fracture of the cost and delivered within 2-3 years . this is where we should be second guessing our naval ships contracts...

[eyeball]

On 5/28/2025 at 11:36 AM, Army Guy said:

My question is where are we getting all this funding

Tax the snot out of the stinking rich or simply print whatever money you need otherwise forget it. 

[Army Guy]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Tax the snot out of the stinking rich or simply print whatever money you need otherwise forget it. 

Our government does not care if they send Canadians to war with a slingshot or latest Main battle tank...and if you can live with lowering one or more member of your family into a dirt hole because you thought it was to much, then good on you....you have to live with that ....

And no the liberals are going to tax the shit of everyone....to pay for all this....and 2 % thats the new starting point the new goal is going to be 5 %....that money is coming from you and i....

Edited May 30 by Army Guy

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Tax the snot out of the stinking rich or simply print whatever money you need otherwise forget it. 

They already did both. Nothing left in the kitty there 

[BeaverFever]

On 5/30/2025 at 12:42 AM, CdnFox said:

They already did both. Nothing left in the kitty there 

Except for the facts that the rich have never been richer or owned so much of the economy’s wealth as they do today, and have never had lower tax rates than they do today. 

[herbie]

Imagine the size of the yard sale they could hold on the Cold Lake runways.....

[BeaverFever]

General Dynamics Land Systems–Canada Unveils LAV 6.0 MkII at CANSEC 2025

In a significant milestone for Canadian defense modernization, General Dynamics Land Systems–Canada (GDLS-C) has unveiled its most advanced Light Armored Vehicle (LAV) platform to date during the CANSEC 2025 defense exhibition. The new LAV 6.0 MkII variant, along the new LAV 6.0 Air Defence represents a quantum leap in land combat capabilities for the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF).

…One of the most striking advancements of the LAV 6.0 MkII lies in its armament suite. At the heart of the vehicle is a stabilized 30mm automatic cannon capable of engaging enemy personnel, light armor, and defensive positions with precision while on the move. Supporting this primary weapon is a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun designed for close-in threat engagement. Mounted atop the turret is a dual-launch system for anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), enabling the LAV 6.0 MkII to neutralize heavily armored targets at extended ranges. However, the true game-changer is the integration of loitering munitions into the vehicle’s mission systems. These aerial systems provide real-time reconnaissance and allow for precision strikes on high-value or time-sensitive targets beyond the line of sight. By incorporating this capability, the LAV 6.0 MkII extends its tactical reach and grants infantry commanders the ability to deliver decisive effects without exposing troops to direct combat….

 

PICS AT LINKS

https://militaryleak.com/2025/06/01/general-dynamics-land-systems-canada-unveils-lav-6-0-mkii-at-cansec-2025/?amp=1

https://armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/general-dynamics-canada-presents-lav-6-0-mk-ii-8x8-with-new-turret-offering-greater-firepower

 

 

 

Edited June 4 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Except for the facts that the rich have never been richer or owned so much of the economy’s wealth as they do today, and have never had lower tax rates than they do today. 

Except both of those are false. 

The liberals did wipe out the middle class, it's true, but that doesn't mean the rich got richer. 

And our tax rates today are at close to an all time high. Do the math. Calculate carbon taxes, effect on pricing of carbon taxes (and yes there's still carbon taxes), property taxes, income taxes, gst pst, etc etc etc.  And dont' forget payroll taxes. We are seriously overtaxed.  And our business taxes are VERY high,  and that's a very serious problem. The us federal tax for business is much lower, making them more attractive.  Add in the tariffs, and we're losing business 

For its entire history Canada has always had more business investments coming into the country than leaving the country or investing elsewhere. Except about the last four or five years but for the first time in history more money is leaving Canada than coming into it.

Our productivity has crashed through the floor meaning our workers are worth less for the same number of hours as an American worker or workers in other countries. And that's not because they're lazy, that's because rich people are not investing money into Canadian businesses to bring their tools and equipment and software up to a modern standard the way they are elsewhere.

Our GDP per capita is also nosedived in a most shocking and horrific way, and that is a measure of our tax base. The more GDP per capita we have, the more we can tax without crippling people. The less we have the less money we can collect in taxes which means we either have to raise taxes to a brutal point which has already happened or we have to borrow tons of money which is also already happened

And this is before we even discuss unnecessary red tape that strangles business investment, 

Sorry, you just can't lie that crap away. It's real and nothing you can say is going to change it.

If we cut taxes, cut unnecessary red tape, And make it attractive to invest in Canada again then we can bring business back, we will get better paying jobs as productivity increases and more jobs as well, and that represents a massive spike in income

[BeaverFever]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The liberals did wipe out the middle class, it's true, but that doesn't mean the rich got richer. 

The middle class has been getting wiped out for 40 years and it’s a fact that the rich have only gotten richer during that time. 
 

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And our tax rates today are at close to an all time high.

Nope. The top marginal income tax rate was more than 90% after ww2  In the 1970s it was still over 60% and that’s just federal tax alone.  
 

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

For its entire history Canada has always had more business investments coming into the country than leaving the country or investing elsewhere. Except about the last four or five years but for the first time in history more money is leaving Canada than coming into it.

Well the last 4-5 years is covid and post-covid inflation so pretty exceptional. 
 

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Our productivity has crashed through the floor

Again that has been a multi-decade trend unde both Liberals and Conservatives that actually accelerated after NAFTA and increased US economic integration. The “branch-plantification” of the Canadian economy as our businesses were bought by US and foreign investors or captured by a US “customer monopoly” (monopsony).  Stupid industrial policy that gave away priceless Canadian IP for increasingly shitty and short-lived ”factory jobs” at a foreign owned company. We’re strutting our stuff over making pennies while everywhere else they’re locking up billions at our expense through patents, royalties and terms of use that pay them in perpetuity  

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry, you just can't lie that crap away. It's real and nothing you can say is going to change it.

You’re losing focus on rhe original comment which is about taxing the rich. It’s not a lie that the rich have gotten insanely richer even as those other problems have plagued the economy for the past several decades. In fact in can be argued that precisely BECAUSE they have become so wealthy so powerful and have come to own and control so much of the economy that it is operating so inefficiently. Economies work better when it is the result of  a large number of diverse and competing players,  rather than the just 5 guys who own everything and have more money than god and are just playing around with it out of boredom. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The middle class has been getting wiped out for 40 years and it’s a fact that the rich have only gotten richer during that time. 

Nope.  Sorry 

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Nope. The top marginal income tax rate was more than 90% after ww2  In the 1970s it was still over 60% and that’s just federal tax alone.  

Nope.  There was tonnes of exceptions and exemptions so real tax paid was a tiny fraction of that 

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Well the last 4-5 years is covid and post-covid inflation so pretty exceptional. 

Nope.  2020 was exceptional and 2021 was. 2022 was recovery and 2023 was normal. 
 

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Again that has been a multi-decade trend unde both Liberals and Conservatives that actually accelerated after NAFTA and increased US economic integration. The “branch-plantification” of the Canadian economy as our businesses were bought by US and foreign investors or captured by a US “customer monopoly” (monopsony).  Stupid industrial policy that gave away priceless Canadian IP for increasingly shitty and short-lived ”factory jobs” at a foreign owned company. We’re strutting our stuff over making pennies while everywhere else they’re locking up billions at our expense through patents, royalties and terms of use that pay them in perpetuity  

Nope.  I don't know what left wing propaganda flyers you've been reading but nope.

The 70's was red hot for the middle class but trudeau 1 killed that with excessive spending that lead to runaway inflation and stagflation in the 80's.  But that was corrected WITH the free trade agreement and while there were ups and downs our productivity and gpd per capita kept perfect pace with other nations and while taxes on middle class went up during parts of that the middle class was alive and well for the first 15 years of this century.  You could argue there was some pressure in 2013-2015 during the recovery from the great recession but it was still quite good. 

Its' nosedived since then and is at it's worst right now that it's been in ages.  We are literally back to where it was in 2015, but in 2025 with 2025 prices and tax.  Stagflation, interest etc has brutalized the middle class in the last 10 years. 

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You’re losing focus on rhe original comment which is about taxing the rich.

LOL you brought up middle classes and such dude   

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It’s not a lie that the rich have gotten insanely richer even as those other problems have plagued the economy for the past several decades.

IT is a lie. Sorry. 

the average net worth for the top 20 percent (the rich) is about 3.3 million.  That is hardly "insanely" rich.  But what's more important is where that money is.  A  lot of it is in the value of their primary residence. I know a person who bought a house with her husband back in the early 70's, worked hard all her life to pay it off, damn near lost it during the '80s when interest rates shot through the roof, raised her kids and went without after her husband was gone, And now that house but she has kept up all along his worth about 1.6 million. She also has retirement assets worth about one  million due to her many decades of work. 

Well she can't spend the house. She could look it downsizing but she still has to pay current rates for a smaller house so while she might get some money out of it at a time when even apartments are going for 3/4 of a million she's not going to have a lot to spare.

And her retirement was impacted by the recent fiscal problems caused by trump in his tariffs. She will have less money to spend. And that's her retirement including if she has to go live in a home where the government will take every nickel she's got to pay for the home.

She's one of these Mega Rich you're talking about. We have a large number of older people in our population right now thanks to the Boomers and the cash that they've amassed is what's paying for their retirement and care. There's nothing there to tax. 

The number of working wealthy, people who are not near retirement age but are earning large amounts of money, as actually decreased and their net worth isn't a lot. In fact you are now in the top 1% of all earners in Canada if you are earning $322,000. Canadian.  In the states its 1 million us.  Our rich are getting poorer.  And what's left of them are looking at leaving. 

 

And many of them are moving their money outside of Canada

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

In fact in can be argued that precisely BECAUSE they have become so wealthy so powerful and have come to own and control so much of the economy that it is operating so inefficiently

No, that cannot be argued. Rich people get rich by making money. They make money by investing in winning places and ideas.  America, for example, is having no trouble with this. Productivity there and the investments necessary to improve productivity are strong

Here they are weak. And our rich are actually becoming less and less influential all the time.

You need to start doing some of your own actual research from scratch and not believing a confirmation bias nonsense that your echo chamber produces. It does not stand up to scrutiny

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.  Sorry 

Yes LOL that’s what your whole right wing populist movement has finally come to accept although the left has been saying it for 40 years.   Why do you think the right all screaming about Davos WEF elite?

Do you not remember the Occupy Wall Street movement from the last decade?

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.  There was tonnes of exceptions and exemptions so real tax paid was a tiny fraction of that 

Yep. And while I know you’re just pulling the “tons of exceptions” claim out your ass, do you honestly not think there are tons of exceptions and exemptions now that didn’t even exist a few decades ago?  Have you not heard of the Panama papers and the Paradise Papers?  Were you unaware that the wealthiest American corporations pay virtually no tax thanks to countless loopholes and exclusions?  Were you sleeping all those times when Warren Buffet famously talked about how he has a lower tax rate than his personal assistant? Have you not heard of the Panama Papers?  Did you and I not have an argument over the 50% capital gains tax exclusion rate, which was a tax break only invented by Paul Martin in the 1990s?

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

IT is a lie. Sorry. 

the average net worth for the top 20 percent (the rich) is about 3.3 million.  That is hardly "insanely" rich. 

It is not a lie and once again you’re outnof your depth. Like seriously the issue of income inequality has been talked about so much, especially after the economic meltdown of 2008 its shocking to me that you know nothing about it. 

1) the top 20% is not “the rich”.  You only need TOTAL HOUSEHOLD income of ~136k to be in this group. I am in this group and buddy I ain’t “rich”.
 

2)The rich are the top 1% and even the top 0.1%. The top one percent now own a third of rhe country’s wealth, compared to just 13% in 1999

3) Since 1979, the top 1% has seen their income grow by ~150% whole the top 0.1% grew by up to 300% relative to inflation. Meanwhile the bottom 50% had flat income over these decades  

These statistics and more have been topics of public debate for a long time, rhis is nothing new  

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

She's one of these Mega Rich you're talking about

No she’s not. Nobody has said that you’re inventing that claim so you can argue against a straw man. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The number of working wealthy, people who are not near retirement age but are earning large amounts of money, as actually decreased

If the “working wealthy” class is shrinking its because it’s become harder for working people to become wealthy in the first place. The mega rich don’t work for a salary, they own businesses and enterprises and get paid in dividends, shares, capital gains, etc hoard their money in offshore accounts. 
 

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

In fact you are now in the top 1% of all earners in Canada if you are earning $322,000. Canadian.  In the states its 1 million us.  Our rich are getting poorer.

Sorry not correct. First I don’t know where you get your numbers the minimum income to be part of the 1% is $579k and secondly it’s gone up from $80k in 1982 and $283k in 2010. 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yes LOL that’s what your whole right wing populist movement has finally come to accept although the left has been saying it for 40 years.   Why do you think the right all screaming about Davos WEF elite?

Do you not remember the Occupy Wall Street movement from the last decade?

I think you got confused. None of that is relevant to what I said and occupy wall street has absolutely nothing to do with the middle class

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Yep. And while I know you’re just pulling the “tons of exceptions” claim out your ass, do you honestly not think there are tons of exceptions and exemptions now that didn’t even exist a few decades ago?

Oh for god's sake read a book. There were billions of exceptions both in Canada and the united states that did not exist today that allowed for the wealthy to skip paying the vast majority of their taxes. Their entire books written on this. A couple of web searches will prove it to you if you have any skill

 

 

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 Have you not heard of the Panama papers and the Paradise Papers?  Were you unaware that the wealthiest American corporations pay virtually no tax thanks to countless loopholes and exclusions?

It would be entirely wrong to say they pay no tax but without a doubt they take advantage of loopholes today as well. But the loopholes are different for each country. In America they can pay less tax than they do in Canada

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 Were you sleeping all those times when Warren Buffet famously talked about how he has a lower tax rate than his personal assistant? Have you not heard of the Panama Papers?  Did you and I not have an argument over the 50% capital gains tax exclusion rate, which was a tax break only invented by Paul Martin in the 1990s?

Blah blah lie lie bullshit bullshit.

You sound like a left-wing focus group threw up on you. The vast majority of that stuff is not accurate. warren buffetts company for example paid 24 billion in taxes last year.  I doubt his secretary paid quite that much. 

 

 

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It is not a lie 

It's a lie. 

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1) the top 20% is not “the rich”.  You only need TOTAL HOUSEHOLD income of ~136k to be in this group. I am in this group and buddy I ain’t “rich”.

It is the rich, and you're making my point for me.  The 'Rich' aren't very rich, 

But i took the average, from the highest 1 percent to you.  The AVERAGE was still pretty damn small. 
 

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2)The rich are the top 1% and even the top 0.1%. The top one percent now own a third of rhe country’s wealth, compared to just 13% in 1999

Nope. In Canada, the top 1% own approximately 24-26% of the country's total wealth

And again, it's not quite what you think. 

You're wrong with every single statistic you've presented so far. 

Sorry but there's no point in going on.  You're wrong. I've shown you're wrong, every statistic you provide is wrong and worse, you've giggled the numbers to the point where it's meaningless. 

You're going on about 1 percent of 1 percent of the working population? That's a few thousand people.  THat is not representative of "the rich" in canada, that is a handful of hyper successful business people such as our new prime minister. 

And they're shrinking too. Sorry. 

the top 20 perecent is what 'rich' is considered to be and in canada that is a laughably low income compared to the states as i noted. 

There's no 'rich' left to tax, and like our prime minister whatever rich there are left put their money in tax hideaways in the carribean. (you voted for that guy right? Yet you're here complaining about it  you're a genus)

THe rich have been getting poorer, the poor and the middle class have been getting poorer,  and there's nothing left to tax. Sorry. 

[Army Guy]

Major liberal announcement on spending on our military...while this is great news, i'm hoping this is just the beginning 9 extra bil is not going to go far, i mean the projects they are looking for are pay raises, new PMQ and housing projects, other infra struture projects as many military infrastructure are way past it's due date, also purchasing spare parts for existing equipment......those projects alone could take more than 9 bil....Not to mention all the shortfalls just in regards to capabilities we have lost or let go, to replacing very old equipment. 

I guess we will have to see where the NATO submit brings in regards to the new levels being set as we speak to 3.5 % of gdp on pers and equipment, and 1.5 % on infrastructure... Carney has already hinted he is not going to commit to these new numbers...

 

 

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Major liberal announcement on spending on our military...while this is great news, i'm hoping this is just the beginning 9 extra bil is not going to go far,

 

Especially seeing as 2.5 billion of that money is just transferring the coast guard budget to the military.  It's not "new" spending, it's just new for the military

A fact sheet released by the prime minister’s office specifically notes the Canadian coast guard will be integrated into the country’s NATO defence capability for maritime surveillance.

 

Canada has long been a laggard when it comes to funding its military, for years failing to meet the 2% spending target.

Canada will increase defence spending to reach NATO target this year | News | Flight Global

Edited Tuesday at 01:19 AM by CdnFox

[herbie]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

is just transferring the coast guard budget to the military

Which should have been included since Day One. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Major liberal announcement on spending on our military...while this is great news, i'm hoping this is just the beginning 9 extra bil is not going to go far, i mean the projects they are looking for are pay raises, new PMQ and housing projects, other infra struture projects as many military infrastructure are way past it's due date, also purchasing spare parts for existing equipment......those projects alone could take more than 9 bil....Not to mention all the shortfalls just in regards to capabilities we have lost or let go, to replacing very old equipment. 

I guess we will have to see where the NATO submit brings in regards to the new levels being set as we speak to 3.5 % of gdp on pers and equipment, and 1.5 % on infrastructure... Carney has already hinted he is not going to commit to these new numbers...

 

 

This is just the low hanging fruit, mostly stuff they can spend on right away like pay raises etc as you mention. The big ticket purchase announcements and the money to pay for them are expected to be announced separately. 
 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Especially seeing as 2.5 billion of that money is just transferring the coast guard budget to the military.  It's not "new" spending, it's just new for the military

I think Canada has been included coast guard budget in their NATO spending for a whole nsow, since NATO allows it. Other vaguely related stuff like veterans pensions is included in that figure too. I don’t think they’re transferring the CG budget to the military, just including it in their calculation. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Which should have been included since Day One. 

That is arguably true, most countries do have their coast guard as part of their military. But when we're talking about increasing military spending and in reality all you've done is slap a Canadian Forces label on an existing program that's already funded then it's pretty misleading to call it an increase in military spending

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That is arguably true, most countries do have their coast guard as part of their military. But when we're talking about increasing military spending and in reality all you've done is slap a Canadian Forces label on an existing program that's already funded then it's pretty misleading to call it an increase in military spending

There’s $9 billion of new money in this announcement, but mostly for mundane, easy to spend things that don’t have to go through procurement like salaries, ammunition, spare parts, etc.  I believe the government has been including coast guard costs towards the NATO target for a few years now. They also count certain expenses by Global Affairs and Veterans Affairs other departments. It’s possible that moving CCG into DND increases the proportion of CCG expenses they can claim towards NATO, I don’t see that level of detail being spelled out. . 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

There’s $9 billion of new money in this announcement, but mostly for mundane, easy to spend things that don’t have to go through procurement like salaries, ammunition, spare parts, etc.

There's 9 billion in money that's new to the armed forces.  But that INCLUDES the 2.5 billion dollar coast guard budget which is NOW considered military. 

I'm not saying all the new money is bogus, but i think it's a little misleading to simply rename an old program and transfer it's budget and call it "new". 

I mean, 6.5 billion is still not nothing for sure but it's not 9 billion 

And i believe spending it on the basics makes sense, More your expertise than mine but buying bullets and bunks before bombers has the ring of reason about it. 

I'm just saying that it's a little bit of sight of hand to call it 9 billion

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Which should have been included since Day One. 

True, but Canada has taken great care NOT to arm the coast guard, and pretty much limit their role in what they do...I just hope the government decides to arm them and expand their role , which will take some pressure of the Navy ie fishery patrols, drug interdiction, etc...i hope they increase their budget as well, if you think the forces are struggling , wade into the coast Guard budget...it's sad really...  

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

True, but Canada has taken great care NOT to arm the coast guard, and pretty much limit their role in what they do...I just hope the government decides to arm them and expand their role , which will take some pressure of the Navy ie fishery patrols, drug interdiction, etc...i hope they increase their budget as well, if you think the forces are struggling , wade into the coast Guard budget...it's sad really...  

There is a lot more to "arming" the Coast Guard than just giving the crewmen a gun. You know that very well. 

Installing weapons on the boats (as opposed to ships) and spending a lot of time to teach their usage. As well, Coast guard vessels are not warships and not intended to be.

The Canadian Coast Guard is not and never has been and never will be anything like the American Coast Guard. They are lighthouse keepers and a few ice breakers and not much more.  The are not and never will be warriors.

I had a lot of dealings with the Coast Guard on West and East Coasts while in SAR.  Their sailors joined the Coast Guard instead of the Navy because ht ye did not want to be warriors.

Edited Tuesday at 06:30 PM by ExFlyer

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

This is just the low hanging fruit, mostly stuff they can spend on right away like pay raises etc as you mention. The big ticket purchase announcements and the money to pay for them are expected to be announced separately. 
 

I think Canada has been included coast guard budget in their NATO spending for a whole nsow, since NATO allows it. Other vaguely related stuff like veterans pensions is included in that figure too. I don’t think they’re transferring the CG budget to the military, just including it in their calculation. 

Agreed, but when your starving any little bit is welcomed....i can see investments into infra structures, but ammo and spare parts should be protected assets and be investments that are constant, not much good if your equipment can't run due to lack of spares, and well ammo speaks for itself, there must be some neglect their somewhere. 

I like the idea of the CG being brought under the budget, i mean they get peanuts now, and they do play an important role...i hope this is a sign to come where they do increase the budgets more to sustain, all of this going forward....Increasing the CG role in our security apparatus would take some pressure off the navy allowing them to do more navy stuff...instead of fisheries patrols or drug interdiction, etc...