robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, reason10 said: Weather is not climate? No, IT'S NOT. Weather is short term atmospheric conditions. Climate is a LONG TERM (30+ years) AVERAGE. How many times do you need to be told for it to penetrate your thick scull? 3 hours ago, Deluge said: Your "experts" are activists. Get that through your fat head. There's nothing funny going on with our climate. I'm fine, you're fine, everyone's fine - now get on the right side of this debate and help save fossil fuel and nuclear production before we're flung back to the Stone Age. Your ^amateur evidence free OPINIONS mean NOTHING HERE. Quote
Deluge Posted July 6, 2023 Author Report Posted July 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: A degree in the hard sciences should be a prerequisite for holding public office. No, love for country and a true understanding of the constitution should be the prerequisites. Hard science isn't hard until it's proven. So far we haven't seen shit in the way of climate caused global catastrophe. Quote
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Deluge said: Thank you, Michael, I knew you'd come around. The takeaway here is that everything is fine, and climate activists need to keep their opinions to themselves. You need to support your opinions with evidence. You won't because you HAVE NONE. Quote
Deluge Posted July 6, 2023 Author Report Posted July 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: No, IT'S NOT. How many times do you need to be told for it to penetrate your thick scull? Your ^amateur evidence free OPINIONS mean NOTHING HERE. Yes IT IS. Without the weather, you have no climate. They are intertwined. Pull your head out of the Left's a$$. My opinions beat the hell out of anything you've got. Get over it. 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: You need to support your opinions with evidence. You won't because you HAVE NONE. I support my opinions with truth, and that's enough for you. Quote
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: You silly twits and your climate change emergency. You cheer on governments who cave to your whining...and in the process you inflict suffering on the entire world. I don't know for sure if the climate is changing unnaturally. I do know the reaction to this panic is having an adverse effect on everyone. So...if you twits are all freaked out about carbon...on a carbon based planet...find a way to actually generate the power necessary to drive the world's energy needs and quit playing with your dumb-ass windmills and mirrors. None of them are reliable and its FOSSIL FUELS that power your PCs and cells...from which you choose to trash the production of said power. Gee...that makes you all...panic driven, destructive and extremely hypocritical. The planet is no more "carbon based" than it is iron based. Quote The mass of the Earth is approximately 5.97×1024 kg. In bulk, by mass, it is composed mostly of iron (32.1%), oxygen (30.1%), silicon (15.1%), magnesium (13.9%), sulfur (2.9%), nickel (1.8%), calcium (1.5%), and aluminium (1.4%); with the remaining 1.2% consisting of trace amounts of other elements. Carbon is less than 1.2%. That FACT (among others) makes YOU an IGNORANT Luddite. Duh 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Possibly because none of it has been proven without reasonable dispute as yet? Tell me...what's the blatantly obvious results of all this anti-fossil fuels charade? That it's NOT a "charade" just because it's inconvenient. Quote
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Deluge said: I have the same thoughts about democrats. It wasn't too long ago that dems/libs were the ones trying to tell everyone to free their minds - now they shit their pants if you don't say and do exactly what they want. lol You're the one who's STP over having to reduce carbon emissions. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: You've never heard of nuclear power? You claim the greenhouse effect hasn't been proven. You can prove it in any undergraduate physics lab. If you lower the proportion of a greenhouse gas in the atmosphere such as carbon dioxide or methane, and apply radiant energy, the re-radiation of energy increases, causing the atmosphere to cool. If you increase the proportion of CO2 or methane, the re-radiation of energy is reduced, causing the atmosphere to warm. The results are measureable and predictable. That is the definition of proof. Physics, math, and chemistry have nothing to do with politics. You should consult your lawyer because you likely have a case against your physics prof. for negligence. A degree in the hard sciences should be a prerequisite for holding public office. I have heard of nuclear power. Perhaps you should have read my earlier post before spouting off? 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
reason10 Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. I haven't made any claims on my own for sure. I do site with the experts say, including temperature predictions. 2. It doesn't sound like there's any science in that claim, so I'm not going to address it. If you had a cite though that would help. 3. That is the case, then well that's too late. It's like saying I'm going to put my seat belt on when I see an accident about to happen. CO2 was the cause in the past also.. Excuse me, but you REALLY need to get a source a little more scientific than THE VIEW. 97 PERCENT of all greenhouse gasses is WATER. (which kinda makes sense since most of the surface of the earth is WATER) CO2 is not even a full percentage point of greenhouse gases, and human's represent a small percentage point of that. Termites release more CO2 into the atmosphere than humans. As far as what happened the last time the climate of the entire earth changed (I guess we can start with the ICE AGE) I'm not sure even PBS or CNN could possible shit some proof that there were humans in America driving SUVs shortly before that happened. You'll have to prove that SOMETHING could have produced enough CO2 to affect the ecology of an ENTIRE PLANET, and so far you haven't given any reliable sources for your other claims. Quote
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 58 minutes ago, Nationalist said: IMO...part of the doubt stems from the past history of climate activists. We've been told, over and over..."AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!" yet...we're all still here. Panic and silly predictions do not form a solid basis for belief. It breeds distrust. The reasonable reaction to the belief that man is warming the climate with carbon, is to find a reliable alternative to burning carbon to drive generators. THEN slowing replacing the carbon burning units with the reliable alternative. That way...you feel good that we've done something about it...and doubters like me feel good because what we did was reasonable and most of all RESPONSIBLE. What this panicked reaction has produced is frankly...silly as hell. Mirrors and windmills? Really? Build and bring online a number of nuclear plants, THEN phase out fossil fuels. That way...everyone has power and nobody has to suffer this insanity. Are you suffering? I'm NOT. Not even from having the highest electric rates in the US, since I still only pay ~$100 per month due to the very moderate climate in San Diego. If you're suffering it's cause you chose to live in Canada. Quote
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 47 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes well...that's horseshit. In order to power just the USA, wind and solar farms would take up the land space of over 5 South Dakotas. Even then it would not be reliable at all times. It would require supplemental generation of some sort. The building of this silly dream would cost the USA a massive chunk of farm land. So while the power may be there...80% to 85% of the time...the USA would be at the mercy of nations who have something we like to call...food. REAL food. Not lab-grown crap and certainly not bugs. The USA had energy independence...then Biden happened... You don't know that farmers are leasing their land for USE BY wind generators? Funny thing is, despite your ignorance, wind turbines and farming coexist on the SAME LAND. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Okay but doubting the activists and pundits is different than doubting the actual science. 2. Sounds like you're talking about mitigation activities. Okay. 1. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/13/top-scientists-warn-of-ghastly-future-of-mass-extinction-and-climate-disruption-aoe Actual "science" told us the Rona vaccines would keep people from getting The Rona. I rest my case. 2. RESPONSIBLE and REASONABLE mitigation. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, robosmith said: So POST IT HERE. Duh There's already plenty posted. You just don't like it Quote I posted EXPERT evidence. Deluginal HAS cited NO EVIDENCE. not on that matter you didn't. And you almost never do. You're always the first to demand evidence but the last to offer any. That's why everyone laughs at your "USEleSS wIthOUt PRrooooOOOOOooOOof" posts. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Deluge said: Yes IT IS. Without the weather, you have no climate. They are intertwined. Pull your head out of the Left's a$$. Without CHANGES in weather, you have a STATIC CLIMATE. Duh But that is irrelevant, because static weather does NOT EXIST. 16 minutes ago, Deluge said: My opinions beat the hell out of anything you've got. Get over it. I support my opinions with truth, and that's enough for you. Your "truth" is just your FANTASY. Like EVERY "truth" unsupported by EVIDENCE. But thanks for admitting you HAVE NO EVIDENCE. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 17 minutes ago, robosmith said: The planet is no more "carbon based" than it is iron based. You are correct. I should have said all life on Earth is carbon based. 18 minutes ago, robosmith said: That it's NOT a "charade" just because it's inconvenient. Oh but it is a charade. A tragic one at that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, reason10 said: Excuse me, but you REALLY need to get a source a little more scientific than THE VIEW. 97 PERCENT of all greenhouse gasses is WATER. (which kinda makes sense since most of the surface of the earth is WATER) CO2 is not even a full percentage point of greenhouse gases, and human's represent a small percentage point of that. Termites release more CO2 into the atmosphere than humans. As far as what happened the last time the climate of the entire earth changed (I guess we can start with the ICE AGE) I'm not sure even PBS or CNN could possible shit some proof that there were humans in America driving SUVs shortly before that happened. You'll have to prove that SOMETHING could have produced enough CO2 to affect the ecology of an ENTIRE PLANET, and so far you haven't given any reliable sources for your other claims. ^MORE logical fallacies. The physical characteristics of water VAPOR are very different from CO2. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, robosmith said: Are you suffering? I'm NOT. Not even from having the highest electric rates in the US, since I still only pay ~$100 per month due to the very moderate climate in San Diego. If you're suffering it's cause you chose to live in Canada. Why how very...selfish of you. I rest my case. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: There's already plenty posted. You just don't like it IBD is an agenda driven publication by their own admission. 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: not on that matter you didn't. And you almost never do. You're always the first to demand evidence but the last to offer any. That's why everyone laughs at your "USEleSS wIthOUt PRrooooOOOOOooOOof" posts. ^Another evidence free OPINION. LMAO Edited July 6, 2023 by robosmith Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, robosmith said: You don't know that farmers are leasing their land for USE BY wind generators? Funny thing is, despite your ignorance, wind turbines and farming coexist on the SAME LAND. The numbers are correct. Ignore them at your own peril. Just leave the rest of us out of it, thank you very much. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Why how very...selfish of you. I rest my case. Identifying the CAUSE of your suffering is NOT "selfish." Now that you know, you can implement changes. The thing that is selfish is your refusal to make changes which will mitigate the suffering of your children. The longer you refuse to change, the MORE they will suffer. You can start by driving a HYBRID, like I've done. Then the higher gas prices will not cause YOU so much "suffering." ? Quote
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The numbers are correct. Ignore them at your own peril. Just leave the rest of us out of it, thank you very much. You IGNORING the problem will only MAKE IT WORSE by increasing the COST. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: Identifying the CAUSE of your suffering is NOT "selfish." Now that you know, you can implement changes. The thing that is selfish is your refusal to make changes which will mitigate the suffering of your children. The longer you refuse to change, the MORE they will suffer. You can start by driving a HYBRID, like I've done. Then the higher gas prices will not cause YOU so much "suffering." ? Dumb diddy dumb diddy dumb dumb dumb. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Oh but it is a charade. A tragic one at that. Were you part of the Dunning-Krueger study which proved that amateurs irrationally believe they are more knowledgeable than EXPERTS? Believing that SCIENCE is a charade indicates you were. ? Just now, Nationalist said: Dumb diddy dumb diddy dumb dumb dumb. ^The song of the ignorant luddite. LMAO 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: You IGNORING the problem will only MAKE IT WORSE by increasing the COST. I'm not ignoring this. I see your panic and I see the results of your panic. World wide. You Libbies talk a great game about "caring" for others. But the truth is...ya don't care at all unless it can be used as a club. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Were you part of the Dunning-Krueger study ROFLMAO - so what happened, you heard about this term and you were SOOOO impressed with it you just decided to use it everywhere? Sadly you THINK you know what the study said, but it turns out you got it wrong and you didn't know as much about dunning krueger as you thought you did. Which is F^$^ HILARIOUS!!! 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Queenmandy85 Posted July 6, 2023 Report Posted July 6, 2023 Given a choice between believing Deluge or the late Professor Hawking, I'll choose Hawking. That being said, the transition off fossil fuels to nuclear power is a tremendous business opportunity. We would be fools not to go all in on it. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
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