Unemployment

[OftenWrong]

47 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I see that you are moving the pieces around and changing the target, but Trump’s best unemployment figure was not as low as Biden’s, despite the fact that the Federal Reserve has been increasing interest rates in an effort to increase unemployment. 

Lowest unemployment rate under Trump was Feb 2020 3.5%.

January and April 2023 under Biden were 3.4%.

And Trumps number is lower than Obama's, so perhaps we can say it has little to do with the choice of president or party.

Unless you can point to what Uncle Joe has done to get that little pissant 0.1 that has you so proud?

[impartialobserver]

If you really want the true story on jobs.. LAUS (where you get the unemployment rate) is not the best source. QCEW (Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages) is not an estimate and gives you wage information. Only drawback is that it has quite the lag.. six months or so whereas LAUS comes out every month. 

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Find me a global economy that did not crash during covid without a vaccine. You would be looking to Asia, where several countries had Iron strong policies, but more importantly, mass mask adoption.

Looking at death tolls under Biden and under Trump should show a significant change when vaccines were not available, or your assessment is irrelevant. 

Nope. Trump's super-spreader events were responsible for the much of the initial SPREAD. And his failure to implement ANYTHING to test and track that spread.

By the time Biden took over, the damage was done cause COVID was already EVERYWHERE.

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Says a guy who doesn't even have a job...

 

Irrelevant. I had a job during COVID but have retired SINCE.

IOW, you struck out, AGAIN.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, reason10 said:

WRONG.

To bring your uneducated brain up to even Florida Third Grade standards, unemployment rates are determined by the number of people filing for unemployment compensation. You obviously didn't know that.

Those figures do not include the self employed (who do not have state financed unemployment insurance) or those who have frankly given up looking for work.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/biden-jobs-economy-job-creation-matt-weidinger

Biden's job creation numbers are nuts

Expensive policies didn’t create even a single one of the millions of additional promised jobs

I'll admit that Unelected Joe has created RECORD numbers of jobs, FOR THE FAR EAST.

Compare that to the  Trump miracle.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Unprecedented Economic Boom

Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

• America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
• Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Those are the facts, and

 

It's easy to suggest that  Biden is the worst president in history, but he was never legally elected. He has done more damage to this country than KKKarter, KKKlinton and Obama combined.

It's you that doesn't know how UE numbers are determined.

It is a COMBINATION of TWO METRICS.

1. is a SURVEY. They call people and ASK.

2. is the reported PAYROLL from COMPANIES.

UE claims play no role. Duh.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So I see that the unemployment numbers have almost reached where they were at the height of the Trump years pre-Rona. Oh what a magnificent accomplishment.

And don't tell Biden to "go". He'll do just that and then Dr. Jill will have to change his undies again for him.

Oh ^look. A juvenile poo poo joke. Grow up.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Look at your chart...dum-dum...the unemployment rate reached pre-Rona is lower that what it is today.

Now...follow me...here's the water...no horsey...you drink the water, not pee in it.

It has been that LOW much longer under Biden. Trump had his shot but blew it with his INCOMPETENT handling of COVID.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well  i was going to say this a little bit  - the rest of you guys are throwing around 'unemployment' rate as if it's some species of definitive number on it's own without considering a group of stats that put it into perspective. Like labour participation and the type and qality of jobs and ratio of full time to part time and a number of other things.

You can't just look at "unemployment" and say "Trump good" or "Biden good".

There are different measures of UE, ALL published by the US government.

U-3 vs. U-6 Unemployment Rate: What's the Difference?

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The official unemployment rate is known as the U-3 rate or simply U3. It measures the number of people who are jobless but actively seeking employment.

U1 through U6

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U-1 Persons unemployed 15 weeks or longer, as a percent of the civilian labor force	1.3	1.2	1.3	1.2	1.2	1.1	1.1	1.1	1.2
U-2 Job losers and persons who completed temporary jobs, as a percent of the civilian labor force	1.4	1.4	1.6	1.7	1.5	1.7	1.8	1.6	1.8
U-3 Total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (official unemployment rate)	3.4	3.1	3.4	3.6	3.4	3.6	3.5	3.4	3.7
U-4 Total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus discouraged workers	3.6	3.3	3.6	3.9	3.6	3.8	3.7	3.6	3.9
U-5 Total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other persons marginally attached to the labor force, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force	4.2	3.9	4.3	4.5	4.2	4.4	4.2	4.2	4.5
U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force	6.7	6.1	6.4	7.1	6.6	6.8	6.7	6.6	6.7

 

[reason10]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It has been that LOW much longer under Biden. Trump had his shot but blew it with his INCOMPETENT handling of COVID.

Nope. Biden's policies have created the WORST job crisis in history.

And those who have lost their jobs have to contend with the WORST inflation and HIGHEST gasoline prices in history.

Oh, and the CHINA VIRUS came from a lab financed by OBAMA.

I'll admit, Unelected Joe DID create a lot of jobs.Problem is, (a) they were in the FAR EAST and (b) they are SLAVE LABOR.

Just now, robosmith said:

There are different measures of UE, ALL published by the US government.

U-3 vs. U-6 Unemployment Rate: What's the Difference?

U1 through U6

 

You are still trying to spin LIES from a biased and unreliable source.

What's next? THE VIEW?

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Oh ^look. A juvenile poo poo joke. Grow up.

Scatological humour is right up you...ally...no?

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

What good is a job if you have to live in your car? You may as well pack your bags and move to Portland or San Francisco where homelessness and petty crime are encouraged.  

The poverty rate dropped while Trump was president, which is a much better indicator of a successful leader.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/poverty-rate

It dropped and THEN EXPLODED. We know you guys DISHONESTLY ignore COVID spread under Trump. ?

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It has been that LOW much longer under Biden. Trump had his shot but blew it with his INCOMPETENT handling of COVID.

yes dear...

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It has been that LOW much longer under Biden. Trump had his shot but blew it with his INCOMPETENT handling of COVID.

You think that unemployment should have gone DOWN during covid?

How exatly would someone have handled covid for unemployment to go down?  They had to send everyone home from work, you know that right?

[robosmith]

58 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya well...to that all I have to say is the great Libbie excuse..."Oh but The Rona!"

^Doesn't know the difference between "excuse" and "reason." Duh

58 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So the people finally went back to work. It sure took a long time for Biden and his cronies to let them go back to work. And now that they have, everyone has inflation to deal with. OH GOODIE!

And I wouldn't be flaunting LBJ too much. He and his Great Society horseshit has caused way more problems than the wrinkled old fart was worth.

^All due to INCOMPETENCE of COVID handling under Trump, who refused to license European testing kits, and arranged super-spreader events instead.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

It dropped and THEN EXPLODED. We know you guys DISHONESTLY ignore COVID spread under Trump. ?

Trump initially told us to be smart and wash our hands. It's the terrorist androids at CDC and the democrat party that shit their diapers over that one. lol

Yes, Trump did cave in and accept the CDC/DNC bullshit he was fed, but at least he had clarity while coming out the gates. 

[robosmith]

57 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Joe Biden is to fault for high inflation but not to fault for low unemployment. In fact, I bet Biden is responsible for the inflation in Canada too but has nothing to do with how low our unemployment is. Conservative logic 101. 

Inflation was high all over the Western world. Do you imagine Biden was responsible for it EVERYWHERE? LMAO

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Trump initially told us to be smart and wash our hands. It's the terrorist androids at CDC and the democrat party that shit their diapers over that one. lol

Yes, Trump did cave in and accept the CDC/DNC bullshit he was fed, but at least he had clarity while coming out the gates. 

^BULLSHIT. No EVIDENCE as USUAL

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Inflation was high all over the Western world. Do you imagine Biden was responsible for it EVERYWHERE? LMAO

Nope, just responsible for it here, in the US.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Deluge

[robosmith]

Just now, Deluge said:

Nope, just responsible for it here, in the US.

And you're responsible for ^this DRIVEL.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There are different measures of UE, ALL published by the US government.

Reeeaaaallly doesn't change what i said in the slightest.  I was quite aware of that.

And not that it would have mattered - but you referred to a specific one. So mentioning that there are OTHER stats you DIDN"T look at kind of proves my point.

Sorry kiddo - you're still making judgement based on a single factor and that isn't enough.  Unemployiment figures like you provided don't show the changes in full and part time, or the changes in wages, or the changes in real buying power due to inflation etc etc etc.

 

Sorry - i know that facts really upset you but what can you do?

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^BULLSHIT. No EVIDENCE as USUAL

Slow down, stupid. lol

Are you trying to tell me that you were opposed to the mandates? 

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

And you're responsible for ^this DRIVEL.

I'm responsible for educating you because no one else cares enough to help. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Inflation was high all over the Western world. Do you imagine Biden was responsible for it EVERYWHERE? LMAO

No, it was lower in parts of the western world and in other parts it started later, which means that now the current rate in the us is applied to a higher cost.

There was bound to be some inflation. But biden is without a doubt responsible for a significant portion of the state's inflation.

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You think that unemployment should have gone DOWN during covid?

I KNOW it would NOT have been as bad if COVID spread was CONTROLLED with TESTING, TRACKING and QUARANTINING.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How exatly would someone have handled covid for unemployment to go down?  They had to send everyone home from work, you know that right?

Measures to CONTROL the SPREAD. Duh.

[SNOWFLAKE]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you imagine Biden was responsible for it EVERYWHERE? LMAO

I guess I need to add /s to the end of some of my comments since clearly there are a few folks on here who don't recognize my sarcasm. Sighs. 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Reeeaaaallly doesn't change what i said in the slightest.  I was quite aware of that.

And not that it would have mattered - but you referred to a specific one. So mentioning that there are OTHER stats you DIDN"T look at kind of proves my point.

Sorry kiddo - you're still making judgement based on a single factor and that isn't enough.  Unemployiment figures like you provided don't show the changes in full and part time, or the changes in wages, or the changes in real buying power due to inflation etc etc etc.

 

Sorry - i know that facts really upset you but what can you do?

 

Set YOU STRAIGHT when you present superficial explanations that are.... well inadequate.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

I KNOW it would NOT have been as bad if COVID spread was CONTROLLED with TESTING, TRACKING and QUARANTINING.

Well  first off no you don't acutally - had they done that unemployment would have been HIGHER with even MORE people forced out of work...  LOL well now you look pretty stupid

And two that was largely up to the states. Biden didn't quarantine people either you'll notice.

So now you look 2 times stupid  

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

 

Set YOU STRAIGHT when you present superficial explanations that are.... well inadequate.

Calm down - you're getting all "caps excited" again.  I know you get frustrated when you're wrong but you're going to give yourself a stroke.

We wouldn't want to lose you bud - nobody makes the rest of us look smarter than you do.  Just listening to your posts makes dozens of people feel so much better about their own intellect every day - you're like a beacon to the rest of the world that says "Hey - don't you worry, no matter how bad you screw up you're not the dumbest person out there!"   And people appreciate that!

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

^Doesn't know the difference between "excuse" and "reason." Duh

^All due to INCOMPETENCE of COVID handling under Trump, who refused to license European testing kits, and arranged super-spreader events instead.

No...its all excuses.