Rebound Posted June 29, 2023 Author Report Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: And Trumps number is lower than Obama's, so perhaps we can say it has little to do with the choice of president or party. Unless you can point to what Uncle Joe has done to get that little pissant 0.1 that has you so proud? BS. Read the OP. In it, I point out that under President Joe Biden, America has experienced 16 consecutive months of sub-4% unemployment. One of your butt buddies claimed that Trump’s all-time lowest unemployment month was lower than Biden’s, and I showed that no, it was not. So it’s your butt buddy who got egg on his face for trying to twist the numbers around. What did Biden do? He passed a recovery act which has been implemented competently and effectively, and it got businesses to invest in US production and jobs. That’s what. Actual measurable facts and results. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
herbie Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 It's because the POTUS personally approves every single job hiring in the United States, just like Trudeau does in Canada. They squeeze in between deciding if your omelette rises or not. Quote
Guest Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Trump's super-spreader events were responsible for the much of the initial SPREAD. Correct, but to state that when Biden took over it was Trumps fault anything bad happened, ignores the countries which had massive spreads and controlled this. Trump's incompetence caused a lot of deaths, there is no doubt. 1 hour ago, robosmith said: By the time Biden took over, the damage was done cause COVID was already EVERYWHERE. Biden also had the vaccine. Quote
Rebound Posted June 29, 2023 Author Report Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Perspektiv said: Correct, but to state that when Biden took over it was Trumps fault anything bad happened, ignores the countries which had massive spreads and controlled this. Trump's incompetence caused a lot of deaths, there is no doubt. Biden also had the vaccine. Biden took over on Jan 20, 2021. Covid pandemic was declared over on May 11, 2023 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Guest Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, Rebound said: Covid pandemic was declared over on May 11, 2023 What were infection rates at end of 2021 vs year one of covid? This gives you better insight. Did Biden truly make things better, or did the vaccine. Numbers don't lie. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Rebound said: BS. Read the OP. In it, I point out that under President Joe Biden, America has experienced 16 consecutive months of sub-4% unemployment. One of your butt buddies claimed that Trump’s all-time lowest unemployment month was lower than Biden’s, and I showed that no, it was not. So it’s your butt buddy who got egg on his face for trying to twist the numbers around. What did Biden do? He passed a recovery act which has been implemented competently and effectively, and it got businesses to invest in US production and jobs. That’s what. Actual measurable facts and results. Biden also had 26 months of people working for less money. While real wages went UP under trump (wage - inflation) they plummeted under biden. Trump had almost the same employment numbers but people had far more money in their pockets. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/ So yes - people have jobs but they earn far less doing them. That's not really something to brag about. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Rebound Posted June 29, 2023 Author Report Posted June 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Biden also had 26 months of people working for less money. While real wages went UP under trump (wage - inflation) they plummeted under biden. Trump had almost the same employment numbers but people had far more money in their pockets. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/ So yes - people have jobs but they earn far less doing them. That's not really something to brag about. Yes it is. Unemployed is bad. It sucks. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rebound said: Yes it is. Unemployed is bad. It sucks. No, it isn't . IF you're created a situation where people are now the 'working poor', putting in their full time work and still not having enough to pay the bills, that is NOTHING to be happy about. Making people's lives LESS successful is also bad. Basically he's got the same unemployment Trump did. Which is to be expected - unemployment went up because tehy closed down the economy and it went back down to where it was before when the economy opened back up. THat's not much of an achievement. But where trump had people earning as much as 3 percent more than inflation each year biden had them losing 2 percent. And that's cumulative. so in year two it's 2 percent on 2 percent. etc etc. Cutting people's real income and then driving up the interest rates on money they borrow is NOT something to brag about. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
OftenWrong Posted June 29, 2023 Report Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Rebound said: and it got businesses to invest in US production and jobs. All started by Trump, which Uncle Joe merely continued. "Make America Great Again" Quote
Rebound Posted June 30, 2023 Author Report Posted June 30, 2023 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: All started by Trump, which Uncle Joe merely continued. "Make America Great Again" Often Wrong again. https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/ Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, Rebound said: Often Wrong again. https://www.whitehouse.gov/build-back-better/ Yeah - that never happened. He really did build on the foundations trump laid down. Which in fairness build on and improved the work that obama did. Nothing got built back better at all. Workers are worse off, not better. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Rebound Posted June 30, 2023 Author Report Posted June 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Yeah - that never happened. He really did build on the foundations trump laid down. Which in fairness build on and improved the work that obama did. Nothing got built back better at all. Workers are worse off, not better. Biden built on the foundations of the rubble Trump left of our relationship with NATO, that’s for sure. Biden got all of NATO behind expensive sanctions against Russia, weapons shipments and Sweden’s entry into NATO. Biden also passed over $100 billion to move semiconductor manufacturing back to the USA, which makes us stronger and safer. He passed and implemented strong electric car and alternative energy incentives. Billions for rural high speed internet access. And on and on, all things that Trump did not do. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
OftenWrong Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, Rebound said: Biden built on the foundations of the rubble Trump left of our relationship with NATO, that’s for sure. Jens Stoltenberg had nothing but praise for Don Trump, after Trump pressured all those deadbeat countries to live up to their committments and pony up. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_165349.htm Secretary General Stoltenberg: Thanks so much, Mr. President, and thank you for hosting me and my delegation once again in the White House. And it’s great to see you. It’s great to be here. And thank you so much for your strong support and for your commitment to NATO and for your leadership, especially on burden sharing. NATO is a strong alliance, but to remain a strong alliance, we have to be a fair alliance. And therefore, Allies have to invest more in defence. You have a very clear message on that, and your message is having a clear impact. Because Allies are now starting to invest more. After years of decline, we’ve seen all Allies are investing more in defence. And since 2016, they have added more than $40 billion already. By 2020, it will be, as you said, $100 billion. And then we expect that to continue to grow. We need to do more, and therefore, burden sharing and the defence investments is a top priority for me in all my engagements with different NATO Allies. That's right buttercup. Trump got NATO a whole lot of money, so they could use it to defend us from the big bad Russians. Obviously you have a poor grasp of history, in particular in regards to your own president. That's why, you people are a JOKE. Quote
Rebound Posted June 30, 2023 Author Report Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Jens Stoltenberg had nothing but praise for Don Trump, after Trump pressured all those deadbeat countries to live up to their committments and pony up. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_165349.htm Secretary General Stoltenberg: Thanks so much, Mr. President, and thank you for hosting me and my delegation once again in the White House. And it’s great to see you. It’s great to be here. And thank you so much for your strong support and for your commitment to NATO and for your leadership, especially on burden sharing. NATO is a strong alliance, but to remain a strong alliance, we have to be a fair alliance. And therefore, Allies have to invest more in defence. You have a very clear message on that, and your message is having a clear impact. Because Allies are now starting to invest more. After years of decline, we’ve seen all Allies are investing more in defence. And since 2016, they have added more than $40 billion already. By 2020, it will be, as you said, $100 billion. And then we expect that to continue to grow. We need to do more, and therefore, burden sharing and the defence investments is a top priority for me in all my engagements with different NATO Allies. That's right buttercup. Trump got NATO a whole lot of money, so they could use it to defend us from the big bad Russians. Obviously you have a poor grasp of history, in particular in regards to your own president. That's why, you people are a JOKE. Every politician in the world knew he had to suck up to Trump’s ego. And stay at his stupid overpriced hotel. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
OftenWrong Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rebound said: Every politician in the world knew he had to suck up to Trump’s ego. And stay at his stupid overpriced hotel. I accept your surrender... Quote
Rebound Posted June 30, 2023 Author Report Posted June 30, 2023 4 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I accept your surrender... Good grief. ” JULY 10, 2020, 1:48 PM In the last three years, the Trump administration has fractured the United States’ relationship with its European partners. The most recent manifestation of this was the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO. But this is just one of many instances in which the United States has shown disregard for the wishes and concerns of European partners. Despite international pushback, Washington withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 2019 and this May announced its intentions to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty. After the bombshell revelations from former National Security Advisor John Bolton’s book, European fears of American abandonment seem more probable than ever. This includes the possibility of being trapped by the often quixotic foreign-policy decisions emanating from Washington. For example, the abrupt decision last fall to remove U.S. Special Forces from northern Syria both disheartened Kurdish forces and also caught Europe off guard. In light of this, trans-Atlantic partners are walking on eggshells with the Trump administration. But this excessive caution has serious negative consequences, as reluctance to push the United States to uphold the structures that are the backbone of European security could ultimately undermine its position and weaken the trans-Atlantic alliance. Europe should leverage American domestic support for the alliance by working with congressional leaders to secure long-term cooperation.“ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/10/trump-europe-nato-transatlantic-push-back/ 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
OftenWrong Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Rebound said: Good grief. ” JULY 10, 2020, 1:48 PM In the last three years, the Trump administration has fractured the United States’ relationship with its European partners. The most recent manifestation of this was the sudden decision to remove 9,500 U.S. troops from Germany by September, a move that sent shockwaves through NATO. But this is just one of many instances in which the United States has shown disregard for the wishes and concerns of European partners. Despite international pushback, Washington withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 2019 and this May announced its intentions to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty. After the bombshell revelations from former National Security Advisor John Bolton’s book, European fears of American abandonment seem more probable than ever. This includes the possibility of being trapped by the often quixotic foreign-policy decisions emanating from Washington. For example, the abrupt decision last fall to remove U.S. Special Forces from northern Syria both disheartened Kurdish forces and also caught Europe off guard. In light of this, trans-Atlantic partners are walking on eggshells with the Trump administration. But this excessive caution has serious negative consequences, as reluctance to push the United States to uphold the structures that are the backbone of European security could ultimately undermine its position and weaken the trans-Atlantic alliance. Europe should leverage American domestic support for the alliance by working with congressional leaders to secure long-term cooperation.“ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/10/trump-europe-nato-transatlantic-push-back/ "What is... American Exceptionalism?" If course you wouldn't know, Charlie Brown. Enjoy it. Quote
CdnFox Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 13 hours ago, Rebound said: Biden built on the foundations of the rubble Trump left of our relationship with NATO, that’s for sure. Biden got all of NATO behind expensive sanctions against Russia, weapons shipments and Sweden’s entry into NATO. For the most part nato was pretty 'on board' with trump. There was never talk of division or the like - trump had a legit point and while he made that point like a jackass which is his go to move nato responded fairly well to it and agreed that more spending was necessary. And thank god - that's helped fund what's happening now. Biden didn't do anything useful with nato. And honestly if biden wasn't such a weak figure i doubt we'd be talking about a 'ukraine war'. Quote Biden also passed over $100 billion to move semiconductor manufacturing back to the USA, which makes us stronger and safer. In theory that's true, and recieved support from many republicans. Repatriating some manufacturing may be more expensive and less efficient but it means we have supply. Its a good idea. But - passing money in and of itself is utterly meaningless. The money has to acheive something and that something has to be equal to the value of the money. Sooo - have you checked up on what the actual results are and how much our capacity has grown? Did it achieve independence or something close? Why don't you look into that and tell me what you think. Quote He passed and implemented strong electric car and alternative energy incentives. Billions for rural high speed internet access. And on and on, all things that Trump did not do. Utterly useless. for the most part (exception being the internet). So - being proud of something useless is kind of... useless. That's one of the big differences between the left and the right - the left is impressed by spending. "OH WE SPENT A HUNDRED BILLION ON THAT PROBLEM! YEAAAAHHH!!" Whereas the right cares about solutions. "HEY - WE ACTUALLY FIXED THE PROBLEM! YEAAAAAAH". Spending money is useless and the dems do it to virtue signal and impress their weaker thinkers. He has no practical plan to move to EV's (Don't feel bad, nobody does that i've seen). He hasn't solved the issues around rural internet access and doesn't intend to. And there's no plan for alternative energy . He just signed a cheque and hoped you'd be impressed. That's wasteful. That causes both inflation and unnecessary debt while at the same time leaving the problems unsolved. Not that trump would have addressed those issues necessarily but i'd rather someone that spent nothing that someone who wasted billions. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Rebound Posted June 30, 2023 Author Report Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: Biden also had 26 months of people working for less money. While real wages went UP under trump (wage - inflation) they plummeted under biden. Trump had almost the same employment numbers but people had far more money in their pockets. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1351276/wage-growth-vs-inflation-us/ So yes - people have jobs but they earn far less doing them. That's not really something to brag about. You cherry picked data from the midst of the Covid pandemic. Unemployment skyrocketed throughout Trump’s reign during this period, and government deficit spending was MASSIVE and interest rates were held to near zero. None of those things are useful for economic growth. Biden comes in, people get back to work, we now have a massively higher deficit, inflation rages worldwide and is lowest in the US, interest rates climb, deficits cut 50%. Biden is doing all of the responsible management he can do. Meanwhile, the GOP has prevented every person in the entire military from getting any promotions. Yeah. Great solutions for America, GOP. Edited June 30, 2023 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
CdnFox Posted June 30, 2023 Report Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Rebound said: You cherry picked data from the midst of the Covid pandemic. Unemployment skyrocketed throughout Trump’s reign during this period, and government deficit spending was MASSIVE and interest rates were held to near zero. None of those things are useful for economic growth. You can't "cherry pick" data when the guy's only been there 3 years. For his entire time there people have lost wages. You have NO problem blaming trump for financial situations brought on by the pandemic but you freak out and call it cherry picking when we look at Biden's history. Quote Biden comes in, people get back to work, we now have a massively higher deficit, inflation rages worldwide and is lowest in the US, interest rates climb, deficits cut 50%. Biden is doing all of the responsible management he can do. No. Biden comes in, pays people NOT to work, this causes raging inflation, and now the unemployment rate is THE SAME AS IT WAS, but people are poorer. Those are the facts. Biden didn't get anyone back to work - the pandemic ended and people were allowed to go back to work as it was safe. Nothing to do with him. People were "at work" before the pandemic. And he INCREASED deficits - then cut them. Sorry - that doesn't count. And talk bout 'cherry picking' LOL Here's the deal - if you ACTUALLY thought he was doing well you wouldn't need to rely on that kind of lie. Quote Meanwhile, the GOP has prevented every person in the entire military from getting any promotions. Yeah. Great solutions for America, GOP. Do you need me to explain why that's stupid? Can you work it out yourself? If you need me to i'll go get a box of crayons and see if i can dumb it down for you. Honestly - do you think posts like this make biden look better? The fact his "supporters" have to resort to this level of desperation to find ANYTHING they can possibly twist and distort to make him look like less of a failure makes him look like the worst president ever. IS there NOTHING legit you can find to praise him for? Do you want to make Trump look good? Because this is how you make Trump look good. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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