Ex-F.B.I. Analyst Goes to Jail for Taking Classified Docs

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

Researchers from Stanford studied CO levels produced by unventilated gas stoves in the cramped apartments of Manhattan, and they are definitely dangerous there.  
 

We shouldn’t criticize scientific study that hasn’t even been conducted.  Are gas stoves dangerous in standard homes with standard range hoods which are ventilated outside? I hope not, but it’s good to know.  There’s nothing wrong with being certain. 

Over thirty percent of the electricity generated in Texas is windmill generated. Are saying Texas can cut their electricity 30% and operate normally? 

Yes...we saw how reliable that is a couple winters ago.

[Hodad]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It literally suddenly and simply increases prices at the pump.  You pay a specific direct carbon tax at the pump.  AND you pay GST tax on that tax.

It's just that on TOP of that - it ALSO has ADDITIONAL taxes in the backround that you ALSO have to pay.  ANd those show up on things that have nothing to do with carbon, such as food or shelter. But THOSE taxes you can't see.  You CAN see the ones at the gas pump.

They have utterly failed to do so, nor is it reasonable to think that they would.  All the businesses do is pass the cost of the tax on to the consumer. They couldn't care less.   They have to make their deliveries and produce their products no matter what the carbon tax is - what, you think they were just hanging around wasting fuel and hydro already? LIke - "oh there's a carbon tax now, Hey jimmy, stop flushing all that spare fuel down the toilet, it's expensive now".

The only time they care (other than when the gov't gives them hundreds of millions to replace gear they were replacing anyway with the same gear they were going to )  is when there's something that's cheaper than gas.  But so far that's basically nothing for most businesses. The cost of electric vehicles makes them prohibitive and even if that wasn't the case the tech doesn't meet their needs yet.

 

So you're 100 percent off base on this. The tax does not work like you think it does and it does not achieve what they told you it would.

You're just talking out of your ass.?

I'd ask you to show proof of your claim by citing the particular carbon-based tax code that "suddenly and simply" increases prices at the pump, but there is no US carbon tax. (AFAIK there is no state in the US with a carbon tax.) And there is no GST in the US either. So you're spinning pure fiction. 

And if you don't believe that taxes drive decision makers toward untaxed alternatives then you have even less economic sense that it seemed. That's one of the core tenets of taxation in a market economy: if you want less of something, tax it. Any time you increase price on something (taxed or otherwise) you increase the incentive for conservation and alternative seeking. Carbon taxes have proved effective in countries that have them. And that should be obvious. Taxes, fines and other penalties are, again, one of the most basic and successful tools for correcting externalities of all sorts, carbon included.

Again, a carbon tax, like any tax, can (and typically do) target specific sectors and thereby influence specific supply chains. One COULD craft a carbon tax that shows up directly at the gas pump, but it's certainly not necessarily the case and is, in fact, pretty unlikely. A simple gas tax is a much easier solution than trying to measure tailpipe emissions.

[Rebound]

46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes...we saw how reliable that is a couple winters ago.

OMG! For real? You think all scientific research is just pretend?  Wow. 

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Apparently you haven't    You've misquoted it. 

The law of supply and demand says that as price goes up suppy increases and demand goes down.  But - that doesnt' mean people stop buying it. It means that in a free market the excess supply and the fact people aren't pressured to buy because they can get it more easily will cause the price to move back towards equilibrium. People still want the product but if they can get it from anyone at a better price they will do so.  But here they can't.

You thought it meant that they just bought less    And you forgot the supply never became greater because this isn't a free market situation

 

You've just proven you have literally no idea what you're talking about     ROFLMAO ...  well no surprise. So we'll add economics to physics and law on the list of things you don't understand  

I know that's what originally was hoped would happen. But it didn't. And that's because energy isn't an 'elastic' expense.  Charge what you like, people stil need to heat their homes, and pick the kids up, and go buy groceries. So they keep buying the gas and cut spending elsewhere.

Which economists have been saying for years.

It's the same as rent - just because rent is high doesn't mean people stop renting - they still need somewhere to live.

And as we can see - emissions did not go down.

Nope.  Geez dude, where'd you learn your economics? The back of a cracker jacks box or something?

Seriously - you are WAY too stupid for this conversation.  You're arguing something will happen that we already know didn't happen. And it didn't happen in bc when it was started there earlier either. You don't even understand the economic principles you're misquoting.  Stick to playing with lego.

You've just proven AGAIN that you can write a lot of words that are not backed by any cited EVIDENCE and therefore make NO SENSE. In FACT, I took economics and business economics in college.

Every product is "elastic" to SOME extent. Duh.

I bought a hybrid in anticipation of higher gas prices way before the most recent price rise.

I drive less when gas is more expensive. Don't you?

Or do you say to yourself "gas has doubled in price; time for a road trip!" LMAO

 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

OMG! For real? You think all scientific research is just pretend?  Wow. 

No. I think windmills freeze and depend on wind...and solar panels depend on sunshine. Neither can power society.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

OMG! For real? You think all scientific research is just pretend?  Wow. 

CdnFox believes science is "Just Guessing." 

Dunning Krueger strikes again. LMAO.

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Pfft...you such an insufferable fool.

And you're intellectually bankrupt, AGAIN.

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Horseshit! If you think this...you really are as dumb as you sound.

Your juvenile name calling is a very poor substitute for actual DEBATE.

But it's clear that's the best you got. LMAO

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Deluge said:

Yes it is. I mean, for a brainless shill like you, the moon crashing into the earth isn't an event until your hive masters tell you it is. 

Sorry, numbnuts, when you have a shutdown, you have a stoppage of production. 2020 saw SHUTDOWNS in ADDITION to reduced production. 

There's no such thing as me lying. There is such a thing as YOU LYING and you do it a lot. 

And, no, everyone doesn't know that oil production WILL BE ENDED. We know you marxist perverts WANT OIL PRODUCTION TO END, but nobody gives a shit what you want. Windmills are nice for tree hugging moonbats, but they aren't realistic, and again, nobody gives a shit what you want. 

YOU are a shill, and a LIAR. 

 

Until you're ready to debate like an adult, STFU.

[Rebound]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No. I think windmills freeze and depend on wind...and solar panels depend on sunshine. Neither can power society.

Windmills only freeze if they’re installed without de-icing equipment. Example? The entire nation of Denmark generates over 50% of its electricity from windmills… and it gets very cold in Denmark in the winter. Yet the windmills keep working.  
 

There is always wind in Texas and Iowa and everywhere else. Always. Not everywhere, but always somewhere.  Distribute them across a wide enough area and you will always have a LOT of free electricity. In England, they’re installed in a very windy region of the Atlantic.  They generate tremendous power and it’s the cheapest form of electricity by far. 

The same is true of daytime solar panels. Across a wide enough region, there is always sun. And they still generate power when it’s cloudy, just less of it.  

Edited June 26, 2023 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Until you're ready to debate like an adult, STFU.

Until you are an adult...STFU.

[robosmith]

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Burn.... More.... Oil....

I"ve heard they have some of that in texas.   Pretty simple answer.  They can do without wind or solar just fine.

BUT - if you get rid of their oil and coal produced power... they would be in trouble.  They can't create wind and solar power reliably enough to meet demand.

Solar and wind is nice but they don't need it.  They DO need oil.

No REASON to believe ^this OPINION. You "hearing" about oil does not mean there is enough production to meet 30% of their demand NOR the plants to burn it.

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Until you are an adult...STFU.

Ok, READY. Are YOU? 

Prove it by dropping the JUVENILE NAME CALLING. Duh.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Yes...we saw how reliable that is a couple winters ago.

Did you really? Did you hear about how they CHOSE to NOT to winterize their wind turbines because they didn't believe they'd need them? LMAO

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You're just talking out of your ass.?

 

Oh - i forgot that you're too stupid to remember this is a Canadian site Sorry - i keep mistaking you for an adult  It's not till you say something that i remember you're just a dolt. 

 

1 - you have to be 10 kinds of stupid to say you know how a carbon tax works that doesn't exist yet. So if you were refering to carbon tax IN AMERICA... you're pretty stupid  

2 - Canada's carbon tax is a great example of a carbon tax . So when you say carbon taxes do this or that - we're quite aware of how they work

3 - the only proposed carbon tax was discussed by Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, and it looked exactly like canada's.

So far carbon taxes are ALWAYS at the point of sale to the end user - and usually are ALSO background. So it would be YOU who is talking out of his ass.

God DAMN you're stupid   You don't know how carbon taxes work elsewhere and you don't even know what was proposed at home. You're now internationally dumb  

 

[TreeBeard]

On 6/22/2023 at 4:40 AM, Nationalist said:

Was Ms. Kingsbury POTUS

Is POTUS not subject to the same laws?

[CdnFox]

36 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No REASON to believe ^this OPINION. You "hearing" about oil does not mean there is enough production to meet 30% of their demand NOR the plants to burn it.

So... you think there's no reason to believe that texas has oil.

Welp - there you go folks    For those of you who thought he MIGHT at least be as smart as a rock....  nope.   

[Hodad]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh - i forgot that you're too stupid to remember this is a Canadian site Sorry - i keep mistaking you for an adult  It's not till you say something that i remember you're just a dolt. 

 

1 - you have to be 10 kinds of stupid to say you know how a carbon tax works that doesn't exist yet. So if you were refering to carbon tax IN AMERICA... you're pretty stupid  

2 - Canada's carbon tax is a great example of a carbon tax . So when you say carbon taxes do this or that - we're quite aware of how they work

3 - the only proposed carbon tax was discussed by Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, and it looked exactly like canada's.

So far carbon taxes are ALWAYS at the point of sale to the end user - and usually are ALSO background. So it would be YOU who is talking out of his ass.

God DAMN you're stupid   You don't know how carbon taxes work elsewhere and you don't even know what was proposed at home. You're now internationally dumb  

 

Hey, jackass, if your mother hadn't spent all nine months of your gestation blackout drunk, you might have noticed that you're posting in a section that's very clearly identified as "U.S. Federal Politics," and in a conversation quite obviously about Joe Biden and inflation.?‍♂️

Hence, why I posted universal truths about a hypothetical tax rather than incorrectly posting about a specific law that doesn't exist in this country. 

 

^^ Can you read this, or does the clouding in your uncannily wide-set eyes make this post as challenging to focus on as the goddamn forum labels?

Go get a job through whatever special program you qualify for and stop shitting all over this from like an incontinent weasel.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Windmills only freeze if they’re installed without de-icing equipment. Example? The entire nation of Denmark generates over 50% of its electricity from windmills… and it gets very cold in Denmark in the winter. Yet the windmills keep working.  
 

There is always wind in Texas and Iowa and everywhere else. Always. Not everywhere, but always somewhere.  Distribute them across a wide enough area and you will always have a LOT of free electricity. In England, they’re installed in a very windy region of the Atlantic.  They generate tremendous power and it’s the cheapest form of electricity by far. 

The same is true of daytime solar panels. Across a wide enough region, there is always sun. And they still generate power when it’s cloudy, just less of it.  

A whopping 50% in Denmark, you say. And how is the other 50% generated? 

Just a pathetic argument. 

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Did you really? Did you hear about how they CHOSE to NOT to winterize their wind turbines because they didn't believe they'd need them? LMAO

Lol...a great excuse...lol.

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Is POTUS not subject to the same laws?

Not when it comes to presidential records and documents.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Hey, jackass, if your mother hadn't spent all nine months of your gestation blackout drunk, you might have noticed that you're posting in a section that's very clearly identified as "U.S. Federal Politics," and in a conversation quite obviously about Joe Biden and inflation.?‍♂️

Hey shit-for-brains if you hadn't pushed all those crayons up your nose you might have noticed the poster you were discussing this with specifically said "INTERNATIONAL'" when discussing carbon taxes AND if you had more than two neurons to work with you probably would have puzzled out that the carbon tax the dems considered was the same as Canada's.

DAMN you're stupid.

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Hence, why I posted universal truths about a hypothetical tax rather than incorrectly posting about a specific law that doesn't exist in this country. 

How can you have a "Universal truth" about something that doesn't exist - ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE DOES IT DIFFERENTLY!!!!

DAMN you're stupid kid.  Every time i think you said the dumbest thing you can you amaze me with your skill at stupid.

 

And only the worst loser in the kingdom of losers doubles down on saying something as uneducated as you did with something WORSE.'

You have NO clue about carbon taxes, the "universal truth' is that all the current ones in the world work differently than what you suggested and the dems proposed something the same as Canadas - right down to the 'rebate for lower income' song and dance.

I'd tell you to go drown yourself in a bucket like the other rats but that would probably actually IMPROVE your intelligence. You seem to be into negative iq points as it is so zero would be a step up.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Is POTUS not subject to the same laws?

I think it's quite clear that traditionally the POTUS or those who are likely to run for POTUS are not subject to the same laws.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hey shit-for-brains if you hadn't pushed all those crayons up your nose you might have noticed the poster you were discussing this with specifically said "INTERNATIONAL'" when discussing carbon taxes AND if you had more than two neurons to work with you probably would have puzzled out that the carbon tax the dems considered was the same as Canada's.

DAMN you're stupid.

How can you have a "Universal truth" about something that doesn't exist - ESPECIALLY WHEN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE DOES IT DIFFERENTLY!!!!

DAMN you're stupid kid.  Every time i think you said the dumbest thing you can you amaze me with your skill at stupid.

 

And only the worst loser in the kingdom of losers doubles down on saying something as uneducated as you did with something WORSE.'

You have NO clue about carbon taxes, the "universal truth' is that all the current ones in the world work differently than what you suggested and the dems proposed something the same as Canadas - right down to the 'rebate for lower income' song and dance.

I'd tell you to go drown yourself in a bucket like the other rats but that would probably actually IMPROVE your intelligence. You seem to be into negative iq points as it is so zero would be a step up.

You replied to a post specifically mentioning Biden, in a US politics forum, about a hypothetical carbon tax, but can't managed to follow that conversation? Jeebus.

That carbon taxes only affect price in affected supply chains is farking tautologically true. (Look it up.) And no, the "current ones in the world" work exactly as described.

You should just ask your mom to finish the abortion and put you out of your misery. Methods have improved considerably since she poked you in the brain with an untwisted coat hanger all those years ago.

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Hodad

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

You replied to a post specifically mentioning Biden, in a US politics forum, about a hypothetical carbon tax, but can't managed to follow that conversation? Jeebus.

 

The tax biden was considering was THE SAME AS CANADA'S - is Biden american? Yes? Oh gee - then you were WRONG.  GOD DAMN are you dumb

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That carbon taxes only affect price in affected supply chains is farking tautologically true. (Look it up.) And no, the "current ones in the world" work exactly as described.

You can clearly see from examples around the world AND THE DEMOCRAT PROPOSED VERSION that what you' are saying is absolutely false. You might as well be arguing the world is flat, it takes about the same kind of brain power.

It's unfortunate that the medical expertise available in your trailer park wasn't up to repairing the damage when you were dropped as a child. If stupid were jet fuel, you'd be supersonic.

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Until you're ready to debate like an adult, STFU.

You've already lost.

Go pour yourself a nice cold glass of soy milk - you'll feel like a new girl.

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, Rebound said:

If “windmills are nice for tree hugging moonbats [SIC],” then explain what the “tree hugging moonbats” of Texas would do if 30% of their electrical output goes away.  Or, how would the “tree hugging moonbats” of Iowa survive if over fifty percent of their electrical production were cut off. Cause that’s how much electricity Iowa gets from windmills - Fifty Percent.  

I'll tell you what happens: 30% of Texans and 50% of Iowans would turn to fossil fuels and/or nuclear energy and enjoy CONSISTENT power, as opposed to the INCONSISTENT, bullshit tree hugger power, provided by the diapered sociopaths. 

[Hodad]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The tax biden was considering was THE SAME AS CANADA'S - is Biden american? Yes? Oh gee - then you were WRONG.  GOD DAMN are you dumb

You can clearly see from examples around the world AND THE DEMOCRAT PROPOSED VERSION that what you' are saying is absolutely false. You might as well be arguing the world is flat, it takes about the same kind of brain power.

It's unfortunate that the medical expertise available in your trailer park wasn't up to repairing the damage when you were dropped as a child. If stupid were jet fuel, you'd be supersonic.

^This is nearly unintelligible and, doesn't even track the preceding conversation.

You are such a useless troll. At this point even the lame insults are re-runs. I've seen enough to know you don't have anything of value to contribute here. I don't need to see your posts anymore. 

Best of luck finding a new job to occupy your time. Even trolls need to eat. But I'm no longer feeding you.