America is being hurt by T-Rump

[NYLefty]

But I have to say I'm really enjoying seeing him being tormented and slowly dragged down like this. Like watching a slow tortured death at a Spanish bullfight or a pack of wolves slowly taking down an elk in blood covered snow or the frenzied feeding of sharks on a whale. Death by a thousand cuts. You can see the torment and fear in his orange face. He may very possibly suffer a debilitating stroke soon.I find his torment and pain most enjoyable. ?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, NYLefty said:

But I have to say I'm really enjoying seeing him being tormented and slowly dragged down like this. Like watching a slow tortured death at a Spanish bullfight or a pack of wolves slowly taking down an elk in blood covered snow or the frenzied feeding of sharks on a whale. Death by a thousand cuts. You can see the torment and fear in his orange face. He may very possibly suffer a debilitating stroke soon.I find his torment and pain most enjoyable. ?

TDS...

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, NYLefty said:

But I have to say I'm really enjoying seeing him being tormented and slowly dragged down like this. Like watching a slow tortured death at a Spanish bullfight or a pack of wolves slowly taking down an elk in blood covered snow or the frenzied feeding of sharks on a whale. Death by a thousand cuts. You can see the torment and fear in his orange face. He may very possibly suffer a debilitating stroke soon.I find his torment and pain most enjoyable. ?

Trump is living rent free in your head at this point and spending so much time there i'm worried the FBI will raid your brain looking for documents

In any case - looks like trump isn't being 'dragged down' much at all. The latest polls have him in a dead tie with biden for president, and looking like he'll win the GOP nomination.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

If anything all this stuff is gaining him popularity.  As near as i can tell republicans feel that it really is a witch hunt where criminals like Hillary and Biden get a walk but they'll go after trump.  I mean - talk about keeping classified documents in an unsecure fashion- how does 'hillary' happen but trump is a terrible person for it?

So people actually seem to be getting behind trump. At this point in time it's about even money that he'll be the next president of the US. I think that'll be a first won't it? A guy winning a term, losing, then winning again?

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Trump is living rent free in your head at this point and spending so much time there i'm worried the FBI will raid your brain looking for documents

My friend...thank you for giving me a full-bellied laugh, first thing in the morning. 

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Okay, brace yourself because what I'm about to say might land me in the conspiracy theory realm, and the left might accuse me of being an undercover rightie. But seriously, these polls are not looking good. Here's what I think:

If it's true that political forces within the DOJ or the Democratic Party are scrutinizing these polls and have decided to use legal pressure as a way to undermine Trump's chances, it's a risky move in an already unstable world.

Personally, I've been watching these events unfold with disbelief. I can't believe that at a time when China and Russia are displaying their authoritarian views, the US is targeting someone like Trump, a troll like Trump.

This only increases his publicity, and based on his psychology, he won't give up easily. In the process, he might even risk destroying the Republican Party, while the left will claim they tried through this tactic.

What if a better approach would be to follow the US tradition of treating Presidents as somewhat untouchable figures, @Rebound. I believe the American people would have already formed their opinions about Trump. The problem arises when everyone from the media and the left <- go after him. It's a risky strategy because a significant number of people, the "MOB," might look at this tactic as surrounding him and decide to rally behind Trump.

And you think it can't happen? Your country voted twice for Bush. The world needs a strong US, not a circus US of infighting is my take. Just look at the numbers. 

Paul Ryan was a Republican Vice Presidential nominee and Speaker of the House. He said just yesterday that ANY Republican nominee can beat Bide, except for Donald Trump, who has already lost to Biden once. If that is true, then prosecuting Trump helps Republicans, not Democrats.

There are a wide range of actions for which the President is immune from prosecution, because he is Commander in Chief. If he orders missile strikes, he is largely immune from prosecution. There would need to be extremely compelling evidence of malfeasance to prosecute in such circumstance. The President is immune from the operations of ATF, the Justice Department, the CIA, and so forth. 

But Donald Trump is not the President. He is being charged for actions he took while he was not President. You cannot get away with breaking the law by running for President. In my opinion, Donald Trump is a criminal. He feels entitled to violate the law, and that his army of lawyers will let him get away with anything he wants. That has worked for him for over seventy years, and now that he's being treated like anyone else, he feels like he's being attacked. But this is true of many criminals; they get away with so many crimes that they're shocked when they're finally held to account for their actions. 

Trump was asked over and over and over to return those documents. Nothing in the indictment refers to the documents which he returned after the government asked for them. He had his chance, which ordinary government employees do not get. Reality Winner was sentenced to five years over one single classified document. Just one!  An AF Colones was just sentenced to three years over several classified documents, and that was after his cooperation and a guilty plea! He wasn't given a chance to just return the documents, either. So how does it work that we put people in jail for 3 to 5 years, or even life, but Donald Trump is just allowed to commit these very same crimes? 

[reason10]

3 hours ago, NYLefty said:

But I have to say I'm really enjoying seeing him being tormented and slowly dragged down like this. Like watching a slow tortured death at a Spanish bullfight or a pack of wolves slowly taking down an elk in blood covered snow or the frenzied feeding of sharks on a whale. Death by a thousand cuts. You can see the torment and fear in his orange face. He may very possibly suffer a debilitating stroke soon.I find his torment and pain most enjoyable. ?

You are an uneducated idi0t and a LIAR.

THIS is Der Fuhrer who has hurt America.

Edited June 15, 2023 by reason10

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I know who Paul Ryan is, please, he used to be one of my shepherds when I was a follower, don't talk like Gavin Newsom to me as he is addressing the mob, please. However, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will turn 180 degrees if this keeps us, because in my view, the Republican market is a very reactionary market, they won't like seeing on TV talk about arresting a former Republican president, no matter who he is. 

Let me clarify, in my previous statement about the unofficial rules and traditions surrounding former presidents, I was referring to a different aspect. While there may be certain legal immunities or privileges associated with the presidential position, there is also a longstanding practice of treating former Presidents with a degree of reverence and avoiding legal action unless absolutely necessary for the good of the country.

 

Any Republican Presidential candidate who does not attack Trump for being indicted cannot win the GOP nomination. You cannot simultaneously support Trump and run against him. Look at the US Congress today: Only 29 voted against the debt deal. Those are the hard-liners. The rest of Republicans just want to get past the Trump ShltShow. Because that's what it is.

If, say, Chris Christie were being indicted, Trump would ruthlessly attack him. Absolutely no question. Attack your opponent, or he will attack you, and you will lose. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Rebound

[reason10]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Any Republican Presidential candidate who does not attack Trump for being indicted cannot win the GOP nomination.

If, say, Chris Christie were being indicted, Trump would ruthlessly attack him. Absolutely no question.

Trump is going to win nomination and he is going to win the presidency. That's the ONLY reason the NAZIS have had him arrested. They KNOW he is going to defeat that unelected senile racist PEDOPHILE.

[Rebound]

28 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Please, nobody controls the reactionary market better than Trump inside the Republican Party. Do you remember that time when he took them one by one on that stage? I appreciate what Paul Ryan is doing however not too sure what he can do now. When the <-- Left attacks Trump, and Trump will stand up and yell about the left, will this reactionary market listen to Trump or Paul Ryan? 

Bragg blew the first whistle in New York and I said to myself, ok, fine, 1 investigation there, low publicity, Joe Biden can even use that in the debate, subtly, while focusing on the economy, however, then all this, China and the CCP are at the doors of the castle, and the Democrats and Republicans are fighting for power while putting the risk the stability of NATO is my opinion. Don't tell me each party does not have influences inside each legal apparatus. 

All I am saying, is, IF, IF, IF, some idealists inside these institutions are getting nervous about Trump's second term and decided to accelerate on the legal pressure, it might backfire. 

If you are running in the GOP primary, your goal is either win a cabinet spot or beat Trump.  
 

If the goal is to beat Trump, you must attack Trump. 
 

Biden, very unlike Trump, is saying nothing about it at all. He is staying at arm’s length, as he should, because the President should NOT direct the DOJ to prosecute anyone, particularly their political rivals. However, to be very clear, directing the Attorney General to prosecute and imprison the political opposition was a major campaign promise of Trump. 

Now he’s crying like a baby when he’s the target. If he didn’t want to be tried for stealing classified documents, he shouldn’t have taken them and he certainly should have listened to his lawyers and returned them. The man deliberately DELIBERATELY broke a law.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Rebound said:

 

Biden, very unlike Trump, is saying nothing about it at all. He is staying at arm’s length, as he should, because the President should NOT direct the DOJ to prosecute anyone, particularly their political rivals. However, to be very clear, directing the Attorney General to prosecute and imprison the political opposition was a major campaign promise of Trump. 

 

 

Yes - trump said and didn't do - Biden doesn't say but does.

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Now he’s crying like a baby when he’s the target. If he didn’t want to be tried for stealing classified documents, he shouldn’t have taken them and he certainly should have listened to his lawyers and returned them. The man deliberately DELIBERATELY broke a law.

I wonder how much he's really crying? He's now neck and neck with biden in the polls for nexxt president.

[NYLefty]

These stress, doubt, fear is abundantly evident in the eyes. His look is haggard and his speeches have become lackluster, almost like a pre recorded message of some type that no-one really hears anymore. His ability to stir the masses is all but gone with only the diehards left providing reaction out of some misplaced religious  respect. He's down to his measley 28% and will no longer be able to garner the swing vote.  

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, NYLefty said:

These stress, doubt, fear is abundantly evident in the eyes. His look is haggard and his speeches have become lackluster, almost like a pre recorded message of some type that no-one really hears anymore. His ability to stir the masses is all but gone with only the diehards left providing reaction out of some misplaced religious  respect. He's down to his measley 28% and will no longer be able to garner the swing vote.  

Although it is strangely challenging to find actual video footage of him that's recent ( i thought there'd be a LOT more) i did go take a look as i really haven't 'seen' him recently, just read stories.

I just don't see what you're seeing. And i'm a bit of a body language expert. A LITTLE bit maybe - but to me he just looks like he always does when he's in a fight. It's kind of his wheelhouse. 

The thing about donald is that he's not capable of looking far enough ahead to be frightened by what might happen. If he WAS able to think that way he probably woudn't be in this mess.

As to stirring the masses, you're definitely wrong there by all evidence.  His polling has him neck and neck with biden, and not going down. There's evidence that the court issue is causing his supporters to rally around him, not abandon him, And he still seems to have massive support within the GOP to lead them in to the next election.

ANd the problem for the dems is that next to biden an overripe avocado would seem 'energized'.

I think you're wishful thinking a bit. At this point it would appear there's about a 50 50 chance trump will be the next pres.

[NYLefty]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Although it is strangely challenging to find actual video footage of him that's recent ( i thought there'd be a LOT more) i did go take a look as i really haven't 'seen' him recently, just read stories.

I just don't see what you're seeing. And i'm a bit of a body language expert. A LITTLE bit maybe - but to me he just looks like he always does when he's in a fight. It's kind of his wheelhouse. 

The thing about donald is that he's not capable of looking far enough ahead to be frightened by what might happen. If he WAS able to think that way he probably woudn't be in this mess.

As to stirring the masses, you're definitely wrong there by all evidence.  His polling has him neck and neck with biden, and not going down. There's evidence that the court issue is causing his supporters to rally around him, not abandon him, And he still seems to have massive support within the GOP to lead them in to the next election.

ANd the problem for the dems is that next to biden an overripe avocado would seem 'energized'.

I think you're wishful thinking a bit. At this point it would appear there's about a 50 50 chance trump will be the next pres.

Most recent polling finds Trump slipping against Biden. These indictments are hurting him and frankly Americans are fed up with his theatrics. Dems will be relentless with coverage of his criminality, and the worst of indictments are still to come.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, NYLefty said:

Most recent polling finds Trump slipping against Biden
 

Well no, they don't.  As you can see he's gone from slightly behind biden to tied or slightly ahead of biden over the course of june. RIght now he's gaining and biden is slipping.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

 

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. These indictments are hurting him and frankly Americans are fed up with his theatrics. Dems will be relentless with coverage of his criminality, and the worst of indictments are still to come.

That does not appear to be the case according to the polling. His improvements in the polls are outside the margin of error, so it's not just 'poll bounce'.

Now - its possible to argue biden is falling rather than trump is gaining, but either way the result is the same. Numerous polls indicate that right now it's a neck and neck race with trump and biden and that wasn't the case a month ago.

[impartialobserver]

The obsession with HRC and now Trump is beyond me. Day after day.. writing about how you despise xyz and grasping on to every story/op-ed piece that agrees with you seems like such a waste of time. I made my mind up about Trump a long time ago and no real need to keep revisiting it. 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The obsession with HRC and now Trump is beyond me. Day after day.. writing about how you despise xyz and grasping on to every story/op-ed piece that agrees with you seems like such a waste of time. I made my mind up about Trump a long time ago and no real need to keep revisiting it. 

It's quite natural for people to take an interest in a story, and these political figures are ongoing stories.  I mean, you might as well be flabbergasted as to why people would tune in to the big bang theory every week, or friends or whatever.

People also enjoy rooting for their favorites when it comes to competition. It's been that way for a little over 3000 years now that we know of so it's a little late to be shocked   We have whole industries based on that. You may have heard of it. Sports.   

And to be fair who runs the country does affect people's lives. So there's that.

 

Also - what is with you americans initializing people's names? I forgot hillary's middle name was rodham - couldn't figure out who you mean with "HRC.   HRC, JFK, AOC,  MLK - just call people properly for heaven's sake. Don't call her "HRC", just use her real name:  Dat Batch.

 

Edited June 16, 2023 by CdnFox

[Deluge]

On 6/15/2023 at 4:06 AM, NYLefty said:

But I have to say I'm really enjoying seeing him being tormented and slowly dragged down like this. Like watching a slow tortured death at a Spanish bullfight or a pack of wolves slowly taking down an elk in blood covered snow or the frenzied feeding of sharks on a whale. Death by a thousand cuts. You can see the torment and fear in his orange face. He may very possibly suffer a debilitating stroke soon.I find his torment and pain most enjoyable. ?

Disagree. While you unhinged moonbats continue your rabid assaults on the next President of the United States, his campaign just keeps getting stronger - he's already leaving his Republican opponents in the dust, and it'll be ZERO problem to beat the Depends off your guy - IF he hasn't tripped and cracked his skull open before then, of course. 

If anything, Trump is getting energized.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Deluge

[Rebound]

26 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The obsession with HRC and now Trump is beyond me. Day after day.. writing about how you despise xyz and grasping on to every story/op-ed piece that agrees with you seems like such a waste of time. I made my mind up about Trump a long time ago and no real need to keep revisiting it. 

It’s simple: The Republicans have no defense for Trump’s crimes, so they’re grasping at political excuses. There was no probable cause for charging Clinton, and there was probable cause for charging Trump.  Period.  
 

As a defendant, you cannot walk into a courtroom and say, “Judge, somebody else was accused of a similar crime somewhere else, and they weren’t charged, so let me go!” The judge will say no-no-no!

Donald Trump ran for President on the promise of protecting classified information and he promised to put his political rival, Hillary Clinton, in jail.  Trump had four years to charge Clinton, and his lawyers could not come up with any valid charges.  Trump’s loyal AG did not appoint a prosecutor to investigate Hillary’s emails, or Biden’s ties to Burisma, but he did appoint a prosecutor to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia.  

Edited June 16, 2023 by Rebound

[robosmith]

On 6/15/2023 at 6:03 AM, CdnFox said:

Trump is living rent free in your head at this point and spending so much time there i'm worried the FBI will raid your brain looking for documents

In any case - looks like trump isn't being 'dragged down' much at all. The latest polls have him in a dead tie with biden for president, and looking like he'll win the GOP nomination.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

If anything all this stuff is gaining him popularity.  As near as i can tell republicans feel that it really is a witch hunt where criminals like Hillary and Biden get a walk but they'll go after trump.  I mean - talk about keeping classified documents in an unsecure fashion- how does 'hillary' happen but trump is a terrible person for it?

So people actually seem to be getting behind trump. At this point in time it's about even money that he'll be the next president of the US. I think that'll be a first won't it? A guy winning a term, losing, then winning again?

Do YOU STILL not understand the difference between what Trump is charged with and what happened with the others?

Or are YOU just TROLLING AGAIN? 

On 6/15/2023 at 6:18 AM, Contrarian said:

Okay, brace yourself because what I'm about to say might land me in the conspiracy theory realm, and the left might accuse me of being an undercover rightie. But seriously, these polls are not looking good.

Here's what I think:

If it's true that political forces within the DOJ or the Democratic Party are scrutinizing these polls and have decided to use legal pressure as a way to undermine Trump's chances, it's a risky move in an already unstable world.

Personally, I've been watching these events unfold with disbelief. I can't believe that at a time when China and Russia are displaying their authoritarian views, the US is targeting someone like Trump, a troll like Trump.

This only increases his publicity, and based on his psychology, he won't give up easily. In the process, he might even risk destroying the Republican Party, while the left will claim they tried to stop him (through this tactic I say). 

What if a better approach would be to follow the US tradition of treating Presidents as somewhat untouchable figures, @Rebound. I believe the American people would have already formed their opinions about Trump. The problem arises when everyone from the media and the left <- go after him. It's a risky strategy because a significant number of people, the "MOB," might look at this tactic as surrounding him and decide to rally behind Trump.

And you think it can't happen? Your country voted twice for Bush. The world needs a strong US, not a circus US of infighting is my take. That can lead to unpredictability. Just look at the numbers. 

Why do YOU believe Trump should be ABOVE THE LAW?

[impartialobserver]

41 minutes ago, Rebound said:

It’s simple: The Republicans have no defense for Trump’s crimes, so they’re grasping at political excuses. There was no probable cause for charging Clinton, and there was probable cause for charging Trump.  Period.  
 

As a defendant, you cannot walk into a courtroom and say, “Judge, somebody else was accused of a similar crime somewhere else, and they weren’t charged, so let me go!” The judge will say no-no-no!

Donald Trump ran for President on the promise of protecting classified information and he promised to put his political rival, Hillary Clinton, in jail.  Trump had four years to charge Clinton, and his lawyers could not come up with any valid charges.  Trump’s loyal AG did not appoint a prosecutor to investigate Hillary’s emails, or Biden’s ties to Burisma, but he did appoint a prosecutor to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia.  

You can take this up with @WestCanMan.

My point is that saying the same thing day after day with little to no new information is pointless IMHO. The right would go on day after day about HRC.. saying the same thing over and over again. Each time the response to them was the same. Hmm..

[robosmith]

On 6/15/2023 at 6:19 AM, Nationalist said:

My friend...thank you for giving me a full-bellied laugh, first thing in the morning. 

It's really odd that you believe Trump's threats to national security are so funny.

But I guess that is entirely consistent with your continual DEFENSE of HIS FRAUDS. ?

It's clear that for SOME REASON you are entirely comfortable with FRAUD.

I heard an interesting statistic the other day. Trump has been in court (AKA, sued) 3500 times for failure to pay HIS BILLS.

He is a legal bully who continually uses his wealth to stiff contractors, lawyers and others.

But that is admirable to you, right?

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do YOU STILL not understand the difference between what Trump is charged with and what happened with the others?

I understand just fine - i understand you desperately want there to be significant differences because of your warped sense of tribalism

I understand if you were being an honest person instead of a partisan bot you'd note the double standard being applied here and the hypocrisy of your position.

Which is why you americans need to stop pretending you know anything about american law  

Just now, robosmith said:

It's really odd that you believe Trump's threats to national security are so funny.

 

Ummm - he thinks YOU"RE the joke   Not the law

that's pretty much how everyone feels.

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

You can take this up with @WestCanMan.

My point is that saying the same thing day after day with little to no new information is pointless IMHO. The right would go on day after day about HRC.. saying the same thing over and over again. Each time the response to them was the same. Hmm..

I see.

HRC has been brought up by the right as a “whataboutism” argument.  I thought that’s where you were going.  
 

This week, the Federal Government unsealed a 37 felony count indictment against Donald Trump. That is big news and the facts of the indictment are staggering. If the Government’s evidence is all admissible before a jury, it will be difficult to not convict him.  While this judge is extremely biased in Trump’s favor, it will be very difficult for her to rule evidence inadmissible, because most of it was obtained as a result of Federal court orders. She will have to overrule other Federal judges and those decisions will need to stand up to appeal.  

[robosmith]

On 6/15/2023 at 6:49 AM, Contrarian said:

Please, nobody controls the reactionary market better than Trump inside the Republican Party. Do you remember that time when he took them one by one on that stage? I appreciate what Paul Ryan is doing however not too sure what he can do now. When the <-- Left attacks Trump, and Trump will stand up and yell about the left, will this reactionary market listen to Trump or Paul Ryan? 

Bragg blew the first whistle in New York and I said to myself, ok, fine, 1 investigation there, low publicity, Joe Biden can even use that in the debate, subtly, while focusing on the economy, however, then all this, China and the CCP are at the doors of the castle, and the Democrats and Republicans are fighting for power while putting the risk the stability of NATO is my opinion. Don't tell me each party does not have influences inside each legal apparatus. 

All I am saying, is, IF, IF, IF, some idealists inside these institutions are getting nervous about Trump's second term and decided to accelerate on the legal pressure, it might backfire. 

However the case against Trump is SOLID. He had the chance to negotiate a plea deal but turned it down; probably because he believes his "victimhood" works for him. We shall see. It might work with the MAGA CULT, but probably NOT with independents.

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Using the multi quote function is great. 

Let me do a copy paste for you from yesterday.

I tend to agree with:

Sir from California which his governor is Gavin Newsom,

The article looks at the polls and the growing tension in your country, it argues that in this case, the potential consequences of Trump's prosecution may outweigh the benefits. It takes a pragmatic approach based on polls to address the division in your country. Do you want more division? I value US leadership and don't want to be led by the CCP and the FSB. The article suggests that a pardon could mitigate the perception of politically motivated charges, minimize polarization, and allow the US to focus on pressing international issues and domestic unity. I know as in the US, as your division grows, such opinions are not tolerated by political supporters however, it is an approach, which of course, might not be correct, and for the common man is hard to see injustice, however, this is the big picture, the big boys game. Is bigger than Trump, the world need not see the US become Venezuela. And stop with France, this is why France can not lead the world and everywhere they went they caused issues, part of is because of inside infighting. 

Pragmatism demands that criminals be held accountable lest precedents be set and CRIMES ENCOURAGED.

Political expediency OFTEN comes back to bite us in the ASS.