Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Thats the thing, though. It isn't done sensibly.

Some kids have been left confused as to their sense of identity. Some never even having thought about this until it was brought up.

I didn't think of my sexuality until high school. I didn't need to.

I don't understand how this has any business in grade school.

They have all the right to be. I knew I was different since childhood.

I never was a gender conforming individual. Most in the LGBTQ community aren't.

One thing was always certain, however. I was a boy.

Bringing this into doubt with gender or queer theory, may help a few, but ignores the collateral damage.

Its not my teachers job to explore my sexuality. That's my job. Its their job to ensure my environment has zero tolerance on bullying. Me being different isn't grounds for assault.

Shoving this down throats, doesn't help people like me. It makes us all targets.

Am asexual.

Its hard enough being wired this way as a black male. But with ideology being shoved into throats and divisive rhetoric? What do you think will happen?

Its those at the bottom of the food chain that will be targeted with that anger. People are shocked at the spike in assaults?

Isn't that like justifying theft because the item is heavily stocked or low in cost?

"They could easily replace these types of items".

Uh, no. Its theft. It doesn't belong in a store. Why invest in cameras and detectors, if giving away product was the intent all along?

Thank you for your honesty and vulnerability on this heated topic.  So here’s the thing.  If a person wants to be called certain names or pronouns that aren’t typical or indicative of biological gender, I’m going to respect that and show kindness.  Kids have had nicknames for decades and if a child enjoys being perceived as the opposite gender, I would play along because everyone is on a spectrum. Some people appear more feminine or masculine or just relate more to the non-biological gender. We’ve always had androgyny.  Kids have time to figure things out and experiment as long as they’re safe and don’t do anything to harm themselves.  Really this kind of searching is low stakes and I’m not going to worry about parent involvement unless a much more serious and long term change is sought through drugs or surgery.  Then obviously parents would need to be involved and in many cases waiting and thinking through that kind of move is the wisest course of action.  Gender reassignment is simply beyond the scope of an elementary school and probably high school for most kids who feel dysphoria.

This is why we have to be so careful not to introduce theories about gender and sexuality to kids.  They need to be kids and experience the bodies and inclinations that they have.  They need time to mature.  We can listen without judgement.  We can ensure safety of the child from the mistreatment of others.  We shouldn’t be pushing ideological perspectives.  Parents will raise kids according to their religious and philosophical views.  Schools can invite discussion of ideas for older students.  What we mustn’t do is indoctrinate, unless indoctrinating is the explicit purpose of the institution under a protected class within the Charter or Human Rights legislation, such as in a private religious school or a Catholic school.  We have to avoid lessons that require parents to accept beliefs that are counter to their conscience, faith, etc. Parents who want to teach their young kids about sexuality and gender ideology can teach that to their kids or access such education.  Public education must not be so divisive or risk confusing kids or offending strongly held values.  

Edited June 26, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[PIK]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

A small handful are, and it's the first stage.  How many 12 year olds are able to be sexually active? At most a course on what happens to people during puberty is appropriate but those kids won't be sexually active or enter the later stages of puberty anytime soon for the most part.

And if their parents feel they're a little more 'advanced' that way then they can make arrangements.

But entering puberty is not the same as becoming sexually active and there's no need to be teaching sexual positions and techniques to kids who are 12.

Then parents can make arrangements if they feel their kids are suddenly about to become sexually active at 12.

And again - sex ed when it IS taught can focus on misconceptions and physical realities such as std's and prevention etc. it doesn't have to have anything to do with homosexual or transgender issues.  It's pretty much the same for everyone. Some understanding of pregnancy risks are also important but there really aren't a lot of threats associated with gay sex that don't also apply to heteros.

I"m sorry but there just is no 'responsible' way to mass-teach children who are under the age of 12 about the complexities of sexual relationships.  If some need it then individual parents can address it.

As in the mcquiny/wynne sex ed, written up by a pedophile.

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

First stage only.  Girls are not interested in finding a sex partner at age 9    And that would mean a lot of them wouldn't even be in first stage puberty till after they hit high school.

I mean seriously - what age did you start having sex at? I was younger than average and i was definitely in high school.  Lets not pretend it's desperately important for 8 year olds to have a working understanding of sex in case their boyfriend wants to fool around.

And as to their first period - yeah the 'puberty' talk might be valuable but they're not rushing out to have sex at age 12.  Sorry, it's just not a thing. Not for consensual sex anyway. The vast majority won't have sex till after 16 (sometimes LONG after)  and the remainder almost all start a 15. 

So fine - sex ed at 13 -14 when they're in high school might be approprate.  They are a hell of a lot older and more able to deal with issues than they are when they're 7.

Not to sound like Bill Clinton here but it depends on what you mean by ‘sex’. At 14 quite a few have already had sexual experiences with other people of one sort or another, e.g. masturbation, oral sex, and, of course with themselves. Nearly all will have had sexual fantasies and many questions about sex. Advice at 14 would have arrived a little too late in that case. Surely the goal should be to talk to them before any of this happens so they can make informed decisions? We live in a world steeped in sexual imagery. One or two dull talks at school aren’t going to turn these kids into sex maniacs.
 

And that’s it for me. Strange topic. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/25/2023 at 10:48 AM, I am Groot said:

Gender is not a social construct. It has always been synonymous with sex and is treated so in law. There are only two sexes and only two genders. Anything else is fantasy, the product of ideology, narcissism, and mental illness.  

So how come so many societies have recognized three genders? How comes there have always been trans people?

You sound like conservatives from the seventies, talking about how all these gay people are coming out of nowhere.

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/25/2023 at 10:59 AM, ironstone said:

I've heard about small children identifying as this or that, but they shouldn't be encouraged. When an adult does it...yikes!

That's not a thing. I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find some crazy-ass fringe cases, but that's all. It doesn't mean there's a huge push to actually recognize humans as a different species.

On 6/25/2023 at 10:59 AM, ironstone said:

And gender is not a social construct either. Are you going to tell us that biological males that identify as women can bear children?

 

[taxme]

On 6/10/2023 at 6:14 PM, CdnFox said:

 

 

So. This 'inclusiveness' plan. That's working out well i'd say. Right?  Right?

At least the christians and muslims are getting along. The LGBT letter people have managed to do something no one else could in 2000 years anyway...

Can't people see what this is doing? The gays are going to be back to being locked in stocks and pelted with rancid tomatoes at this rate.  They are not including people, they are dividing people. You can't bring things together by dividing them.

At least some Muslims and some Christians are trying to save all of our children from those dragster gay pedophiles, gayism, and the trans nonsense that is going on and being pushed in our Canadian schools these days. Why is all of this sexual deviant nonsense being pushed in our schools today? What's is the agenda here? 

Why do we have to see those dragster queens being invited and allowed to enter our public schools, and be allowed to dance and flaunt their butts in front of our young children in our schools? This has nothing to do with inclusion. This has more to do with this leftist liberal indoctrination of children that we have going on here. 

We are fast becoming a nation of division and all thanks in part to Marxist liberalism. We all know that there are gays and trans and drag queens out there and they are all protected by the Charter or Rights. We do not need to see or have gay pride or dragster parades or gay flags flown at our schools or government buildings or on our city streets. This has nothing to do with trying to promote acceptance. It's more like our glorious and wonderful politicians have an agenda in mind. Question more. ?

[eyeball]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They are not talking about teaching them in high school. THey're talking about teaching them in elementary.  And - some pretty "detailed' stuff.

You're talking about sex education workshops demonstrating hands on sexual positions for a variety of kinks.

You said you could post stuff that detailed what you're talking about but you still haven't. That makes you a liar BTW. ?

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/25/2023 at 2:20 PM, Army Guy said:

And here i thought your gender was based in science. much like age, Race, and time Not by some cultural tropes as you said which are pretty much universal across the globe...unlike this new fade to pretend their are unlimited amount of genders...based on fantasy and not science.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Not to sound like Bill Clinton here but it depends on what you mean by ‘sex’. At 14 quite a few have already had sexual experiences with other people of one sort or another, e.g. masturbation, oral sex, and, of course with themselves. Nearly all will have had sexual fantasies and many questions about sex. Advice at 14 would have arrived a little too late in that case. Surely the goal should be to talk to them before any of this happens so they can make informed decisions? We live in a world steeped in sexual imagery. One or two dull talks at school aren’t going to turn these kids into sex maniacs.
 

And that’s it for me. Strange topic. 

Nothing that's going to get them pregnant and unlikely to result in sexual disease.  Sure they may have played a ilttle 'show me yours and i'll show you mine' but thats about it.  They know there's differences and they're curious. But it's not really 'sexual' per se.

And i don't think you'll find a lot of 10 year olds who are doing oral sex a lot.

Sorry, but nothing you're saying is standing up as a reason to expose young children to serious discussions about sexuality.  High school starts at 12 for most kids. You can talk about puberty with them a little before then, sure. You can also do some 'stranger danger' training and explain to them that it's not appropriate for anyone to be touching down there right now.   But  - kids are not sexually active in any way that's likely to lead to danger at age 10 or 11.

As to the world - it's as easy as saying some things will have to wait till you're older to discuss.  They may see things but they don't understand it and they're not supposed to.  Just like moms tell their kids that babies "come from their tummy' when a 7 year old asks without having to discuss the benefits of doggy style vs missionary.

Just let the freakin' kids be kids for a bit. There's plenty of time later to get into sexuality and complex human relations later on.

[CdnFox]

Well all this pride stuff is sure bringing people and govt together.

 

I honestly don't care if you're pro or anti gay - this stuff is bad.  And there is NO REASON why it had to happen other than the Alphabet mafia had to push their agenda further than "lets be equal" and go after people's kids and demand it was uncanadian not to wear pride junk.

 

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

I would venture to say that civilizations have been through this kind of experimentation with taboos and there are good reasons based on historic experiences for the major religions to only recognize biological gender.  This may apply to gay marriage as well.  From a biological standpoint such practices spell the end of naturally born children to their biological parents.  I’m sure much more could be said about the long term effects on society of the feminization of men and the sterilization of women.

There are reasons why norms exist.  It doesn’t mean that trans people can’t be accepted and respected, but we shouldn’t be suggesting alternative genders and lifestyle choices for young people who are having enough trouble dealing with their natural hormone surges and learning how to transition into healthy men and women and to manage adult responsibilities, including raising kids.

If we stop referring to males and females as what they are biologically and we take away their role models in some radical move not to offend the few who wish to pretend that they are something that they are not, we certainly will confuse and short-change our young people.  It’s already happening.  

Edited June 27, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nothing that's going to get them pregnant and unlikely to result in sexual disease. 

That doesn’t define what is sexual. 

 

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure they may have played a ilttle 'show me yours and i'll show you mine' but thats about it. 

That could occur at any age of childhood and is a different matter. 

 

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They know there's differences and they're curious. But it's not really 'sexual' per se.

Masturbation and orgasm aren’t really sexual per se? I think a lot of people would disagree there.
 

Why not explain what’s happening to them? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Sexual education is a responsibility that primarily rests with families, and in 2023, technology and AI can provide helpful resources for age-appropriate discussions. While families should take the lead, it is worth questioning why some immigration officials allow families with different values regarding sexual education. Additionally, it is important to consider why the government and activists prioritize sexuality over subjects like finance or mathematics in children's education.

Parental controls on phones and tablets are rarely foolproof in a mixed android/Apple household and few families have the best ones. Kids are on their phones from a very early age and can end up learning about sexuality in a way that should alarm their parents. The reality is that Big Tech has shown it doesn’t care that much about ‘age-appropriate discussions’ despite what it says to the contrary. 
 

 

8 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Members of the left-wing, if you take issues with the new wave of immigrants that are against LGBTQ views, how come you are pro-immigration? And most of you are, then don't complain about it.
 

 

I am for immigration but would prefer something closer to the Dutch approach. Canada has a particular set of values. If you don’t like them, perhaps this country isn’t for you. In general, I’ve seen immigrants from conservative backgrounds gradually accepting Canadian values rather than rejecting them, e.g. on gay children and love matches. 

 

[eyeball]

On 6/25/2023 at 11:20 AM, Army Guy said:

And here i thought your gender was based in science. much like age, Race, and time Not by some cultural tropes as you said which are pretty much universal across the globe...unlike this new fade to pretend their are unlimited amount of genders...based on fantasy and not science.

Actually no one really cares what you want to call yourself in private, you could identify as a pink unicorn for all that it matters....where they disagree is forcing them to play along in their fantasy world, that and having serious companies such's as banks, major corporations and all levels of government buying into the fantasy...Thats where sane people should be say WTF...but

It's based on some science along with politics and choice.  You live in a world where banks, major corporations and governments of all levels accept the existence of a people that cannibalize a resurrected zombie every Sunday morning. They claim that wine and bread are transformed into blood and flesh by a clearly unscientific means.

These people receive millions upon millions of dollars from public funding to help indoctrinate children all around the world. Sane people have been saying wtf for centuries but to no apparent avail or effect.

Best to just put on your finest evening gown a tiara and sing a rousing round of let it go, Let It Go, LET IT GO!!!

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That doesn’t define what is sexual. 

 

And? That's my point - we can keep them out of danger without getting into complex sexual issues.

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That could occur at any age of childhood and is a different matter. 

Exactly. It's normal and to be expected but it's not a big deal. But while they may be curious kids aren't  "doing it doggy style" at age 10

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Masturbation and orgasm aren’t really sexual per se? I think a lot of people would disagree there.

How many 8 year olds would you say are masturbating to orgasm?  Is that a big problem we're facing in our world today? Give me a break.
 

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Why not explain what’s happening to them? 

You mean puberty? I think you need to go back and re-read my posts to you.

There's nothing wrong with explaining what's happening to their bodies.  Not that parents can't handle that themselves - the book that was all the range when i was i kid was "what's happening to me" and it did a brilliant job of teaching what's going on and why but it didn't even touch on sex itself.

This isn't complex.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

the book that was all the range when i was i kid was "what's happening to me" and it did a brilliant job of teaching what's going on and why but it didn't even touch on sex itself.

This isn't complex.

What also isn't complex is you providing evidence, 'detailed stuff' you called it, of official educational material being used to teach children that sex is fun. This is what you mean when you say kids are being groomed by the government.

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

So how come so many societies have recognized three genders? How comes there have always been trans people?

Moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

15 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

You sound like conservatives from the seventies, talking about how all these gay people are coming out of nowhere.

Oh? Were you alive then? Because you don't sound like it.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I would venture to say that civilizations have been through this kind of experimentation with taboos and there are good reasons based on historic experiences for the major religions to only recognize biological gender.  This may apply to gay marriage as well.  From a biological standpoint such practices spell the end of naturally born children to their biological parents.  I’m sure much more could be said about the long term effects on society of the feminization of men and the sterilization of women.

I caught a brief video of Camille Paglia speaking to this, and she was saying that this kind of thing happens in the late stages of a culture as it is beginning to unravel, such as in Greece, Rome, Weimar Germany, etc. From a society and people who know longer believe in themselves. From the 2 minute mark

 

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

Oh? Were you alive then? Because you don't sound like it.

Did you grow up listening to your dad whining about boys growing their hair long and girls wearing pants back in the 60's?

I had an uncle who was kind of like that, he also thought we needed toughening up when we were growing up.  He had a mean streak when he got drunk and scary looking scars on his face from when he was toughened up.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

What also isn't complex is you providing evidence, 'detailed stuff' you called it, of official educational material being used to teach children that sex is fun. This is what you mean when you say kids are being groomed by the government.

LOL - like i've told you a million times - the moment you say "This is what you mean" or "so what you're REALLY saying is" and then go on to re-write what a person actually said - youv'e lost. 

Tell me you have no  rational argument without telling me  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - like i've told you a million times - the moment you say "This is what you mean" or "so what you're REALLY saying is" and then go on to re-write what a person actually said - youv'e lost. 

Tell me you have no  rational argument without telling me  

F**k off ? it's patently clear what you mean when you refer to child grooming and sexual education.

So where are the examples of the curriculum you said was being used in elementary schools? You said you had lots.

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And? That's my point - we can keep them out of danger without getting into complex sexual issues.

How many 8 year olds would you say are masturbating to orgasm?  Is that a big problem we're facing in our world today? Give me a break

No, that’s not a common problem, of course, and I certainly didn’t mean to give you that impression. Puberty starts subtly with hormonal pulses from the brain long before we need to worry about pregnancy. 

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You mean puberty? I think you need to go back and re-read my posts to you.

At least consider what I have put to you already. How many 12 year olds are masturbating? Do you really believe that masturbation is not sexual? When you talk about bland ancient pamphlets, bear in mind the information many of these kids have already about sex and sexuality. It’s not the same pre-Internet world. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No, that’s not a common problem, of course, and I certainly didn’t mean to give you that impression. Puberty starts subtly with hormonal pulses from the brain long before we need to worry about pregnancy. 

That subtliness is increasingly being disturbed and altered by the problem of so much plastics in the environment and their proven effect on hormones in developing...everything I would guess. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

F**k off 

Awww little guy   Don't get mad just because you got called on your bullshit

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 it's patently clear what you mean when you refer to child grooming and sexual education.

Translation -  "I know what you actually said was correct and i can't fight that so i'll change what you said to be something i think i can argue with"  ROFLMAO - man, the only thing 'perfectly clear' around here is you know i'm right and just can't cope

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So where are the examples of the curriculum you said was being used in elementary schools? You said you had lots.

Well lets look at ontario - this is the 'toned down' version of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_sex_education_curriculum_controversy

So - and remembering this curriculum was prepared by an actual convicted child sex offender -  the elementary curriculum includes anal and oral sex, what your sexual orientation is, masturbation techiques,  how to give consent to someoen else (and that sex is ok as long as you do).  etc etc.  Along with very explicit onine content showing sexual acts.

All to kids under the age of 11.  Because we all know 8 year olds REALLY need to understand anal sex.

Anything else? Or are you done looking stupid for the day? Next time do a google search on your own - the stuff is everywhere.

[CdnFox]

Businesses are wising up.

The hockey league won't force players to wear pride jerseys.  Of course - they said NO jerseys (cancer, etc) will be forced.  But the left is butthurt over the pride stuff.  But look at the comments - i doubt the nhl will suffer over this decision