Just how pointless and stupid our climate reductions efforts are

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That's an interesting response. I say that at this point there's nothing we can do. And rather than disagreeing and pointing out what we perhaps CAN do you simply throw out what appears to be a silly ass complaint that I don't want to do anything.

But if you want to do something that might actually impact global warming - what is it? You don't actually have any ideas, do you? Bankrupt ourselves to virtue signal? Is that what you want us to do?

Adapting doesn't take that long. It's trying to change it that would take a very long time. 

So far no one seems much interested in adapting.

You don’t even know what you will have to adapt too. The longer we do nothing the more severe the consequences will become. Humans have no right to exist, we can become extinct like any other species. The only difference is we have the ability to do it to ourselves.

We used to think a nuclear Armageddon would do us in, now it just looks like we will destroy our environment with daily living.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That's an interesting response. I say that at this point there's nothing we can do. And rather than disagreeing and pointing out what we perhaps CAN do you simply throw out what appears to be a silly ass complaint that I don't want to do anything.

As you yourself ridicule anything anyone attempts to do and merely imply others are stupid to try?
Perhaps try a Danielle Smith "moratorium" for a few years and 'think about it' until it is actually too late to even try; create a self full filling prophecy?>

[eyeball]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You don’t even know what you will have to adapt too. The longer we do nothing the more severe the consequences will become.

Consider the immigration levels people are so concerned about today. They're like a ripple compared to the wave of humanity that will be on the move to escape the heat and destruction of their ecosystems and economies. It's happening now at an  increasing rate. 

 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You don’t even know what you will have to adapt too.

Sure we do. We adapt to more drought in certain areas, more fires in others, higher tides, stronger storms.

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The longer we do nothing the more severe the consequences will become.

Perhaps, in the far future. But so far no one has come up with anything we actually CAN do. Spending literally trillions of dollars to lower our already low CO2 emissions isn't going to make a damn bit of difference to global warming while hundreds of coal mines are going up around the world. All it will do is make us too poor to spend the money needed to adapt.

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

We used to think a nuclear Armageddon would do us in, now it just looks like we will destroy our environment with daily living.

Our environment isn't going to be destroyed. It will still be quite liveable. Just not in certain areas.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

What you actually said is it could happen next year but have it your mealy mouthed way.

It happened this year so i was actually perfectly correct And it could easily happen next year as well  

It's not decades like climate change.  And that's not really 'my' way - that's just the science which you HATE unless it's propping up one of your talking points.

 

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My point that it'll take much longer and be vastly more expensive than taking action decades ago would have still stands

It is vastly quicker and a tiny fraction of the price.

There was no opportunity for Canada to make change to stop climate change. The liberals you support knew that - which is why they made promises but never even tried to keep them.

The only way to have stopped climate change would have been war with china and india.

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And the biggest cost will be due to the displacement of hundreds of millions of people.

Not our problem.  Get rid of trudeau - refuse 'climate' refugees, done.

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Like I said, it'll dwarf COVID spending.

Nope - cheap like borsht.  They can fry in their own lands.

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Here's, start figuring it out yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+climate+change+adaptation&oq=&aqs=chrome.0.69i59i450l15.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-telus-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

 

HAAAAHAHAAHAHA - Ok  buddy  - here's the VERY FIRST ARTICLE when i follow that link:

https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/step-climate-change-adaptation-or-face-serious-human-and-economic

Step up climate change adaptation or face serious human and economic damage

ROFLMAO - you just posted a link that says I"m right and you were wrong LOLOLOLO !!!!  I mean - how the HELL do you keep managing to be that stupid?!?!!?

 

LOL - well now that you've proven my point for me maybe we should have a talk about how we can improve Canada's education system given your performance? LOL  

[I am Groot]

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

As you yourself ridicule anything anyone attempts to do and merely imply others are stupid to try?
Perhaps try a Danielle Smith "moratorium" for a few years and 'think about it' until it is actually too late to even try; create a self full filling prophecy?>

I don't recall ridiculing anything. I will certainly point out how pointless it is to spend massive amounts of money to no gain, however. Apparently, you don't know of anything we can do that will actually make a difference either.

You just want to spend the money on pretending we're doing so.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You don’t even know what you will have to adapt too. The longer we do nothing the more severe the consequences will become

We have the carbon tax.  Problem solved.  Justin said so.

Or are you advocating for war with china?

And humans have always had to figure out how to adapt on the fly, and it hasn't always gone well.  Read about the last time the weather shifted, the 1300's.   Mass starvation, wars, plague, word powers shifted, everything changed.  But we survived as a species.

If you've got a solid plan that would actually result in reversing or stopping climate change that we can do in Canada I'm all ears. But i've never heard one yet.  THe closest is pouring resources into research for tech that other countries can use and the libs have been largely opposed to that,

 

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I don't recall ridiculing anything. I will certainly point out how pointless it is to spend massive amounts of money to no gain, however. Apparently, you don't know of anything we can do that will actually make a difference either.

You just want to spend the money on pretending we're doing so.

"If we're virtuous enough then nature will HAVE to stop changing the climate just on principle alone!!!"

-the left, probably.

[I am Groot]

Came across this just now. There's been a lot of reports about how climate change is behind all our fires, not to mention everything else. No one seems to say why, though. It hasn't been a particularly hot summer where I am, and apparently, it hasn't been all that hot elsewhere in Canada either.

 

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you just posted a link that says I"m right

I never said you were wrong to suggest adaptation I simply questioned the time and costs you're allocating to it.

Of course the gall of questioning your wisdom made your head explode and even more ridiculous shit to come out of it.

The biggest hurdle to climate change adaptation in the future will be the same as the one to climate change prevention in the past, all the kicking, dragging and screaming that comes with your ilk. It just is what it is.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I never said you were wrong to suggest adaptation I simply questioned the time and costs you're allocating to it.

Well you kinda did, claiming it would be pointless as it takes far longer than climate change etc etc.   But i shall accept your backpeddal and we'll move forward.

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Of course the gall of questioning your wisdom made your head explode and even more ridiculous shit to come out of it.

You mean i laughed when you tried to claim that adaptation will take longer than climate change takes to happen?  LOL

Yeah - i think pretty much everybody was laughing at you there kiddo

Of course the gall of questioning your wisdom made your head explode and even more ridiculous shit to come out of it.

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The biggest hurdle to climate change adaptation in the future will be the same as the one to climate change prevention in the past, all the kicking, dragging and screaming that comes with your ilk. It just is what it is.

Nope - super simple.  As i just noted BC did two major adaption programs, we'll received by right and left,  no problem.

When something makes sense and people can see results they get behind it

Edited August 6, 2023 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well you kinda did, claiming it would be pointless as it takes far longer than climate change etc etc.

Go back and read things again and stop being such a dink about it.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Go back and read things again and stop being such a dink about it.

Dude that was your position.  It was utterly ridiculous in the first place to suggest climate change, which happens as a result of decades if not centuries of activity, is faster than adaptation. which is extremely fast, mostly taking a few years or less to implement,

Every time i point out what you your self have said you claim it's "me being a dink".  If you don't like it that much try NOT SAYING IT.

To put it bluntly again  - there is NOTHING we can do as a nation ourselves to actually slow down or stop climate change in any meaningful way. 

If we wanted to make any change to climate change we would have to either force or cajole the big polluters into drastic cuts OR invent tech that would be cheaper or the same price as other solutions that reduced emissions such as battery tech or new means of power production etc.

So adaption is really our only choice.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Sure we do. We adapt to more drought in certain areas, more fires in others, higher tides, stronger storms.

Perhaps, in the far future. But so far no one has come up with anything we actually CAN do. Spending literally trillions of dollars to lower our already low CO2 emissions isn't going to make a damn bit of difference to global warming while hundreds of coal mines are going up around the world. All it will do is make us too poor to spend the money needed to adapt.

Our environment isn't going to be destroyed. It will still be quite liveable. Just not in certain areas.

Really, how bad is it going to get Oh Wise One? What exactly will you have to adapt to and how will you do it and how much will it cost?

We are quite capable of destroying our environment, we have been gradually doing so for more than a century. 

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Aristides

[eyeball]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Dude that was your position.  It was utterly ridiculous in the first place to suggest climate change, which happens as a result of decades if not centuries of activity, is faster than adaptation. which is extremely fast, mostly taking a few years or less to implement,

If we stopped emitting GHG now it will take a 1000 years to get back to normal pre-industrial levels. Notwithstanding how quickly we start implementing adaptation, adapting will remain an ongoing cost for centuries as well - even more so given we know we won't be stopping emissions anytime soon. There'll be nothing extremely fast about that at all.

In the meantime not too mention the short-term, there will be a billion or more refugees on the move within the next 15 years. There's a pretty good chance our border with the US will resemble it's border with Mexico by then.  You figure a couple years of adapting plus a few heat-pumps and air-conditioners is all it will take to address that? You're in la la land.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

f we stopped emitting GHG now it will take a 1000 years to get back to normal pre-industrial levels. Notwithstanding how quickly we start implementing adaptation, adapting will remain an ongoing cost for centuries as well -

Well that would depend on whether or not it got worse.  It may take a millenia to return to pre-industrial levels but that doesn't mean it'll get worse.

So if we spend money on being capable of dealing with more severe weather, then it stops getting more severe and starts to veeerrrryyy slloooowwwwlly get better over time, our adaption costs are not all that high.  More of an up front cost.

But what you're saying is that we're stuck with that 1000 years no matter what at this point.  Soooo - looks like adaption is really our ONLY option.

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n the meantime not too mention the short-term, there will be a billion or more refugees on the move within the next 15 years.

Lock the door - shoot those who don't listen.

I suspect most will find ways to adapt at at least a survival level where they are.

Edited August 7, 2023 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Lock the door - shoot those who don't listen.

I suspect most will find ways to adapt at at least a survival level where they are.

Or they'll resort to shooting their way in. Depends on how bad it gets where they are and if they can't afford to adapt. The injustice of not being responsible for almost all the effects causing them to need to flee is not lost on them. One of the costs of adaptation we should be shouldering now is to address that.  A UN fund we and other developed world emitters agreed to provide years ago should now be in excess of $100 billion but it stands at a tenth of that. Our avoidance of responsibility is also not lost on the developing nations most affected by our emissions.

It's not like our responsibility is lost on us either.

But with the changing climate, there will be areas in the country, previously considered unlivable, that may become more temperate. Some suggest this puts Canada in the unique position of being able to accept those who have been pushed out of their home due to climate change-related conditions: Climate refugees.

A 2010 report by the federal government, entitled Climate Change and Forced Migration: Canada's Role, concluded that "best estimates suggest that hundreds of millions of people could be on the move in the coming decades due to the impacts of climate change. Canada has an opportunity now to plan an orderly and effective response to the coming crisis."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/canada-climate-refugees-1.5165029

Edited August 7, 2023 by eyeball

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

I never said you were wrong to suggest adaptation I simply questioned the time and costs you're allocating to it.

Of course the gall of questioning your wisdom made your head explode and even more ridiculous shit to come out of it.

The biggest hurdle to climate change adaptation in the future will be the same as the one to climate change prevention in the past, all the kicking, dragging and screaming that comes with your ilk. It just is what it is.

You and others on here keep talking about your ilk, or any plan is better than no plan... we are tackling this problem from the right and left and both have it wrong.... the lefts plan sucks it does nothing, it allows the left to think we are doing something for climate change "see we are better than the right we got a plan...." and all we do is tax the shit out of regular Canadians, and then give the money back to them( or so most think) or give companies huge tax benefits, and start up funding in the cost of billions...   might as well stick your penis in a light socket. i heard its good for climate change... the same billions could have purchased solar power for each Canadian that owns a home, or started to upgrade our electrical grid for the future, or provided huge incentives for buying electrical vehs.....I'm sure if my pet goffer slept on it one more night could have thought of some really forward think ideas..

Instead Canadians on the left thought to back the liberals plan, becasue it was better than nothing... frankly it amasses me sometimes how we even invented the things we did... and we can not find a plan that would work on a national level...

So far thats were we are leftist on the left and right wing on the right, neither talking to each other, and no one listening for a better plan.... sad really, when considering the consequences....and then we wonder why some just want to grab a case of beer, and a lawn chair and watch as the world burst into flames, one day...

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Army Guy

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Really, how bad is it going to get Oh Wise One? What exactly will you have to adapt to and how will you do it and how much will it cost?

I don't know, Oh Unwise One. But what I do know is that whatever happens, we'll be better able to handle it with a robust economy and money in the bank than sputtering along deep in debt.

Edited August 7, 2023 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So far thats were we are leftist on the left and right wing on the right, neither talking to each other, and no one listening for a better plan.... sad really, when considering the consequences....

I'm perfectly happening listening to what real scientists who study the real physical world have to say. You do realize economics is merely a social science right?

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and then we wonder why some just want to grab a case of beer, and a lawn chair and watch as the world burst into flames, one day... 

Sure more spitefulness will work.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Or they'll resort to shooting their way in.

Then they'll die, There's no chance in the universe of them being organized enough, equipped well enough or the like. They'll get murdered before they even make it through america,

IF your big 'threat' is some climate version of the zombie apocalypse then it's no threat at all.

And if you actually believed anything you're saying you'd be demanding real action, not defending carbon taxes and a left wing that did nothing. You would be advocating for going to war with china and india if they don't stop increasing their pollution right this second.

You sure as hell would be working hard to vote out the liberals - even if only to get them to actually do something next time their in power instead of promises.

Or did you have some other grand plan? You've dodged this a dozen times - what do you think canada can do to solve global warming other than the things I said?  What's your course of action?

If you haven't got one after thinking about it for 'decades' - then you're a complete hypocrite.

With you, it's all  "i mentioned this to someone a few decades ago and did absolutely nothing so it's all YOUR fault now and therefore you must pay for the solution!!!"   Give me a break

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

what do you think canada can do to solve global warming other than the things I said?  What's your course of action?

Vote for the fastest most direct route that drives off a cliff - creative destruction.

Vote Conservative. Liberals are too good at stalling for time.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Vote for the fastest most direct route that drives off a cliff - creative destruction.

 

So you'll be voting for justin again then?

 

Sigh.

EYEBALL -  "THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND WE MUST TAKE ACTION NOW!!?

Sane people - "Ok  what would you like us to do?"

EYEBALL -  " I don't know, why the hell are you asking me? Do whatever you like, I don't care".

 

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. 

[Aristides]

17 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Came across this just now. There's been a lot of reports about how climate change is behind all our fires, not to mention everything else. No one seems to say why, though. It hasn't been a particularly hot summer where I am, and apparently, it hasn't been all that hot elsewhere in Canada either.

 

It isn't about heat out west, although it has been quite warm. It's the lack of rainfall. We are in a drought in BC with hardly any measurable rain on the south coast since April. Fraser Valley farmers started irrigating in May this year when they normally never start until July.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you'll be voting for justin again then?

Not at all but I certainly won't be voting out of a sense of appreciation for anything.

Sometimes when trying to hit a target you have to aim to miss.

[Aristides]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I don't know, Oh Unwise One. But what I do know is that whatever happens, we'll be better able to handle it with a robust economy and money in the bank than sputtering along deep in debt.

What amazes me is you still think you have a choice. Not only will we have to adapt to the damage we have already caused and will continue to do, we will have to stop contributing to the conditions that will continue to cause warming and eventually turn the place into another Venus.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Aristides