Democrats STILL pushing the RACIST reparations scam

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Hold on.

YOU said that Sowell “destroyed” the reparations argument because there were other instances of slavery that were worse.  
THAT WAS YOUR ARGUMENT. That is what you said. 
 

So I replied to YOU, asking if someone should avoid punishment for murdering your son, since there are other people who killed ten children. Please answer me: Is it ok for somebody to murder your son or not? I know you’re a little slow, but that ought to be pretty easy to answer.  

False equivalency.  One is direct responsibility, one is holding someone else responsible for something they didn't do.

But beyond that -  we can agree that the person who murdered one person shoudn't get WORSE than whatever you give the person who murdered ten.  Ten is worse.

In this case NO reparations were given to the slave race that got it worse.  So nothing or less than nothing is what is owed to the ones who got it better.

 When people give the ones who got it 10 times worse money, then we can talk about giving 1 10th of that to the blacks in america and see if it makes sense.

And you know how i know you KNEW your argument was bullshit from the get go?  You had to try to make it emotional by making it 'your' son.  You knew your argument woulnd't stand on logic so you tried to make it about emotion. Fail.

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

I’ll acknowledge that you can’t  say anything intelligent.  

LOL - that's because @ironstone's killing your argument     Don't be mad at HIM - just learn to do better yourself.

[robosmith]

On 5/29/2023 at 8:44 AM, Legato said:

Why the fixation with Butts?

Is English your 2nd language? LMAO

On 5/29/2023 at 9:26 AM, Deluge said:

Clearly robosmith feels he isn't paying enough (he's certainly not alone) so I think it's time we initiate a special reparations tax for all registered democrats. And it makes sense given that the bulk of poor African Americans are in the DNC's stronghold cities and states.  

Clearly you have no idea just how unjust slavery was. 

[robosmith]

On 5/29/2023 at 10:54 AM, Deluge said:

All freedom loving Republicans are civil rights leaders. It's the democrats who have most of the poor but do nothing about it, year after year, decade after decade. 

Conservatives are ALWAYS for equal rights. It's leftists that are keeping African Americans down, not conservatives. 

Democrats always pass mitigation when in power only to be undone by Republicans. Duh

On 5/29/2023 at 11:04 AM, Deluge said:

Me. I'm a civil rights leader. My friend Dave; he's also a civil rights leader. My brother and sisters are civil rights leaders. Candace Owens is a civil rights leader and so are the rest of the team at Daily Wire. Let's see, there's Glenn Beck, there's Laura Ingraham, there's Internet Youtuber, Mark Dice... My God there are shitloads of freedom loving citizens who are civil rights leaders. 

There are no racist dog whitsles on this side of the political fence. Everyone knows you race hustling cultists are deliberately keeping black Americans brainwashed and poor. 

You're completely IGNORANT about the meaning of "civil rights leader." 

[robosmith]

On 5/29/2023 at 12:01 PM, CdnFox said:

No, that's a pretty stand up accusation. Dog whistles are something else.  A dog whistle is when you say one thing but mean something else. He really is calling you a race hustling cultist.  

Because you believe dogs can hear "something else" that people can't? LMAO

You should consult a dictionary before you make a fool of yourself again.

[robosmith]

On 5/29/2023 at 3:14 PM, reason10 said:

And the REPUBLICAN  PARTY ended slavery. And the DEMOCRAT PARTY (WHO ALSO FOUGHT A CIVIL WAR TO MAINTAIN SLAVERY) created the KKK and passed JIM CROW LAWS.

This SAME RACIST DEMOCRAT PARTY has not changed. You people are as RACIST as you were when blacks were kept in slave cabins rather than the welfare projects.

That's all blacks are to you racist Democrats.

^Another LYING MEME. :vomit:

Johnson never said that.

'We may have lost the south for a generation': what LBJ really said

[robosmith]

On 5/29/2023 at 4:06 PM, ironstone said:

I'm curious how American black slave owners and their ancestors fit into the question of reparations. That subject must make you very uncomfortable.

 

If you watch the above short clip, Thomas Sowell points out that the number of whites enslaved in North Africa by the Barbary pirates was greater than the number of blacks enslaved in the US.

The Barbary pirates are LONG GONE and left no organization behind to continue their legacy. AKA, not at all comparable to the US government.

Black slave owners in America were a tiny minority, but the descendants of their slaves also deserve reparations for the theft of their wages. Not "uncomfortable" at all.

On 5/29/2023 at 7:40 PM, CdnFox said:

If your great great grand ma was raped and my great great grandma was raped. and you came to me and said i owe you money today because of your great great grandma -  i'd be inclined to say 'doesn't matter who was worse, it's long in the past'

 

But that's not the argument is it. Nobody is claiming it was ok,  Do you see anyone who said it was ok?

But what you're talking about is responsibility.  If someone murders your son - it's not ok to come to me who didn't have anything to do with it and say 'pay me'.

Sorry kiddo - the bad guys done got away and are dead more than 100 years now.

The bad guys' US government which SANCTIONED the injustice is STILL HERE. Duh.

[reason10]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^Another LYING MEME. :vomit:

Johnson never said that.

'We may have lost the south for a generation': what LBJ really said

Yes he did LIAR.

He was a RACIST, just like the rest of you goose steppers.

He gave us the escalation of the Vietnam War and drafted hundreds of THOUSANDS of blacks to go and DIE in Asian jungles.

 

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, ironstone said:

How about a compromise? Why don't blacks sue the Democrat party(party of slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, etc) for reparations?

Will you acknowledge the actual racist history of the Democratic party?

The ancestors of those who formed the Republican Party also had a HISTORY of supporting slavery.

25 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Yes he did LIAR.

He was a RACIST, just like the rest of you goose steppers.

He gave us the escalation of the Vietnam War and drafted hundreds of THOUSANDS of blacks to go and DIE in Asian jungles.

 

PROVE IT.

[Legato]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Is English your 2nd language? LMAO

 

Ha yes, I see you speak two languages, English and Rubbish, the latter being your first,

Also along with Butts you seem to be favourable to Chairman Mao

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Because you believe dogs can hear "something else" that people can't? LMAO

Uhhhh - yeah.  That's what a dog whistle is. A whistle only dogs can hear.  They have a range of hearing that is different than humans.  THat's the point,  Holy crap did you not know that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle

Did you HONESTLY not know that?  ROFLMAO - you are a complete retard

Dogs can hear sounds we can't - and political "Dog whistling" refers to 'silent messages' to specific groups contained within  a statement. For example saying "Our party respects property rights" in canada might be seen as  a 'dog whistle' to gun owners who hate having their guns randomly confiscated.

I mean seriously - would it KILL you to actually learn what you're talking about before looking like an !diot?

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

You should consult a dictionary before you make a fool of yourself again.

Sigh     ROFLMAO -  rarely have i ever met anyone who works as hard as you do to discredit themselves.   you're an !diot

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The bad guys' US government which SANCTIONED the injustice is STILL HERE. Duh.

Nope - they dead.

The country is still here but a gov't isn't a human being.  The people who made those decisions are dead.  And holding other people, many of whom didn't even have ancestors here at the time, responsible is stupid.

It's almost as stupid as not knowing what a dog whistle is.

[impartialobserver]

folks did terrible things to one another in the past. Slavery being one of those terrible acts. That being said.. reparations only work if the victim is living today and therefore can show lost earnings/income. The last surviving slaves supposedly passed away in the early 1970's.. 50 years ago. Slavery has not directly impacted the earnings potential of any living African American. Indirectly...yes. Directly would be where they were forced into slavery. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

folks did terrible things to one another in the past. Slavery being one of those terrible acts. That being said.. reparations only work if the victim is living today and therefore can show lost earnings/income. The last surviving slaves supposedly passed away in the early 1970's.. 50 years ago. Slavery has not directly impacted the earnings potential of any living African American. Indirectly...yes. Directly would be where they were forced into slavery. 

False on many levels. 
Begin with this: You just made up this “rule” that reparations can only be paid to direct living victims. You invented that rule. You pulled it out of your ass.  
I don’t think the US should pay reparations because it’s financially impossible, not because “screw you too bad”.  Your argument sets the stage for making these payments.  

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Rebound said:

False on many levels. 
Begin with this: You just made up this “rule” that reparations can only be paid to direct living victims. You invented that rule. You pulled it out of your ass.  
I don’t think the US should pay reparations because it’s financially impossible, not because “screw you too bad”.  Your argument sets the stage for making these payments.  

the idea of reparations (regardless of context) is thus:

Person A could have earned 10,000 in a lifetime however something forced Person to only earn 7500. So you would pay $2500 to correct the imbalance. If Person A is still able to work/produce and the event diminished their ability to work/produce in the future then you would calculate this and correct the imbalance. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, reason10 said:

Yes he did LIAR.

He was a RACIST, just like the rest of you goose steppers.

He gave us the escalation of the Vietnam War and drafted hundreds of THOUSANDS of blacks to go and DIE in Asian jungles.

1) LBJ was a dyed in the wool racist who was dropping n-bombs in the WH. 

2) The Civil Rights Bill is the only bill in the history of democracy which had a higher percentage of support among opposition party members than it did among the members of the party that introduced it, and that was the case in both congress and the senate. 

3) It's entirely racist and divisive for the Dems to keep on trying to convince black kids not to go to school, and that's exactly what they're doing when they pretend that Trayvon was shot just for getting some Skittles, and M Brown was a gentle giant who was just shot by a cop from his car window for no real reason.

[Rebound]

39 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

the idea of reparations (regardless of context) is thus:

Person A could have earned 10,000 in a lifetime however something forced Person to only earn 7500. So you would pay $2500 to correct the imbalance. If Person A is still able to work/produce and the event diminished their ability to work/produce in the future then you would calculate this and correct the imbalance. 

Is there a law which you are citing, or a judicial decision? NO.

If somebody stole a valuable painting from your grandfather, they don’t get to keep it just because your grandfather died.  

Now, can people as one race be required to pay people of another race? No, I don’t think so. Figuring out who pays is more complex. And figuring out who receives payment is complex. But if someone is the fifth generation owner of a mansion built by slaves, yes, perhaps the descendants of the slaves have a claim. I don’t know for sure, but maybe they do. I don’t think the argument that “slavery was legal, thus it was ok” will work, just as it did not work when the Nazis tried it. 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Rebound

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Rebound said:

Is there a law which you are citing, or a judicial decision? NO.

If somebody stole a valuable painting from your grandfather, they don’t get to keep it just because your grandfather died.  

Now, can people as one race be required to pay people of another race? No, I don’t think so. Figuring out who pays is more complex. And figuring out who receives payment is complex. But if someone is the fifth generation owner of a mansion built by slaves, yes, perhaps the descendants of the slaves have a claim. I don’t know for sure, but maybe they do. 

No, its just a general conceptual framework. However, you knew the answer to your question so why ask it in the first place?

What is your solution for places that never had slaves? Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana... never had slavery. I guess they could have had slaves off the books but relying on random guesses seems no way to do it.

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

No, its just a general conceptual framework.

Actually - there is legal meaning to the term. It specifically used mostly in terms of international conflict to mean compensation in money or materials payable by a defeated nation for damages to or expenditures sustained by another nation as a result of hostilities with the defeated nation

But without a doubt it's meaning is specifically to correct damages suffered by one party by having the offending party pay money or materials of value.

Well if the party is dead, there can be no reparations. 

 

[reason10]

If somebody stole a valuable painting from your grandfather, they don’t get to keep it just because your grandfather died.  

Hey, STUPID. What valuable paintings did the average SLAVE own. As I recall, it was AFRICANS who took its OWN PEOPLE into custody and sold them into SLAVERY and that practice is STILL taking place in Africa today.

Now, can people as one race be required to pay people of another race? No, I don’t think so. Figuring out who pays is more complex. And figuring out who receives payment is complex. But if someone is the fifth generation owner of a mansion built by slaves, yes, perhaps the descendants of the slaves have a claim. I don’t know for sure, but maybe they do. I don’t think the argument that “slavery was legal, thus it was ok” will work, just as it did not work when the Nazis tried it. 

Hey, STUPID. How could there be fifth generation mansions built by slaves when the NORTHERN ARMY MARCHED ACROSS THE SOUTH AND DESTROYED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, along with a lot of innocent farms owned by those who didn't have slaves?

Nobody who is living today in AMERICA has ever bought or sold slaves. NOBODY in America owes a goddam dime to any blacks who WERE NOT SOLD INTO SLAVERY, and pretty much that includes ALL BLACKS IN AMERICA.

If you want a generational payment to the ancestors of slaves (and I guess you'd be ready to PROVE the exactly lineage of the slave and the family tree to day) you need to sue AFRICA, and the animals who sold those people into slavery in the first place. You might start with the animals who are STILL SELLING OTHER AFRICANS INTO  SLAVERY.

But Democrats have been LOSING the black vote for a generation and are losing that demographic each election. Until the Democrats can import enough ignorant ILLEGAL ALIENS to make up for the large number of blacks defecting to the Republican Party, the Democrats are going to have to PROMISE to buy blacks off with that reparations rip off.

 

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by reason10

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

 

If somebody stole a valuable painting from your grandfather, they don’t get to keep it just because your grandfather died.  

Well this would be more like someoen stole it from your grandfather and then passed it down to you eventually through many generations

And interestingly enough yes - he would very likely still get to keep it. The current holder would have been deemed to have come into possession of it lawfully and not be at fault. Further - because grandad is dead he couldn't contest ownership.

In canada if someone manages to forge the sale documents for a home and someone else buys it in good faith, they get to keep the home forever and the original owner is the one whos' stuck with the loss. You can buy insurance for that.

That wasn't a great example for you was it  

[impartialobserver]

18 minutes ago, reason10 said:

If somebody stole a valuable painting from your grandfather, they don’t get to keep it just because your grandfather died.  

Hey, STUPID. What valuable paintings did the average SLAVE own. As I recall, it was AFRICANS who took its OWN PEOPLE into custody and sold them into SLAVERY and that practice is STILL taking place in Africa today.

Your zealousness gets in the way again. Rebound never stated or asked about a slave owning a valuable painting. It was meant in general with no regards to time, place, or context. 

[reason10]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

Your zealousness gets in the way again. Rebound never stated or asked about a slave owning a valuable painting. It was meant in general with no regards to time, place, or context. 

Rebound's total lack of any brains or education gets in the way. His example about a valuable painting is so extremely irrelevant to the topic that even you are starting to wonder about his lack of intelligence.

He CERTAINLY meant that about a valuable art painting made by a black slave and stolen by a white slaver owner. Rebound has an inferior blue state education and he sounds like he even dropped out of that socially promoting system. He would not have brought it up in this thread if he didn't mean it to be relevant.

Basically AFRICANS took ordinary citizens and imprisoned them for all kinds of minor matters and sold them into slavery, and if ANYONE OWES SOME REPARATIONS IT'S THE TARZAN STATE, not the United States of America.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well this would be more like someoen stole it from your grandfather and then passed it down to you eventually through many generations

And interestingly enough yes - he would very likely still get to keep it. The current holder would have been deemed to have come into possession of it lawfully and not be at fault. Further - because grandad is dead he couldn't contest ownership.

In canada if someone manages to forge the sale documents for a home and someone else buys it in good faith, they get to keep the home forever and the original owner is the one whos' stuck with the loss. You can buy insurance for that.

That wasn't a great example for you was it  

Considering that guy's lack of education, this !diotic example is probably the best he can come up with.

The level of STUPID here is astounding.

[impartialobserver]

17 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Basically AFRICANS took ordinary citizens and imprisoned them for all kinds of minor matters and sold them into slavery, and if ANYONE OWES SOME REPARATIONS IT'S THE TARZAN STATE, not the United States of America.

What africans did before being forced onto slave ships and brought to America is irrelevant to this topic. Rebound's example was meant to be viewed in the most general of terms. the concept is that someone is a victim of a crime (exact crime is not relevant) and what should be done, if anything, to someone later on after the victim and the criminal have both passed. 

[ironstone]

On 5/30/2023 at 7:23 PM, Rebound said:

Hold on.

YOU said that Sowell “destroyed” the reparations argument because there were other instances of slavery that were worse.  
THAT WAS YOUR ARGUMENT. That is what you said. 

You are confused. The title of the Thomas Sowell video I posted is "Thomas Sowell destroys reparations argument". I posted the video because it makes great points as to why reparations is a bad idea. It is Thomas Sowell's argument,and I wholeheartedly agree with him.

Once again, it was Thomas Sowell saying these things that are absolutely correct.

I would urge you to check out his videos. He's a brilliant man.

You guys were awfully quick to totally dismiss the example of the Barbary pirates and the inconvenient fact of black slave owners.

I remember on the old Canadian tax forms there was the option of donating your tax refund to the government. It may still be there for all I know. I doubt many people ever did that.

What's stopping you from giving a portion of your wealth to the cause of reparations for slavery of blacks so many generations ago? If you support this so idea , how much are you personally willing to give?

 

[reason10]

11 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

What africans did before being forced onto slave ships and brought to America is irrelevant to this topic. Rebound's example was meant to be viewed in the most general of terms. the concept is that someone is a victim of a crime (exact crime is not relevant) and what should be done, if anything, to someone later on after the victim and the criminal have both passed. 

Nope. Africans CREATED slavery. Without Africans selling EVEN THEIR CHILDREN into slavery, it never would have occurred on US soil. And today Africa STILL HAS SLAVERY.  It is very much relevant, when you look at the rip off scam of reparation.

Rebound has the education level of a  blue state second grader, so he/she/it is hardly qualified to render an intelligent idea here. He/she/it proves that with each emanation from that Nazi piehole.