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18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

How moral was it for Lot’s daughters to get their father drunk and have sex with him?   That sounds more pornographic than anything kids would learn in school.  

It is simply a record of what happened.  It does not say it was moral or right.  Nobody says it was right.  Of course it was wrong.  The Bible tells the the truth of what happened in history and does not hide the bad.  It just proves the Bible came from God.  If was men just making it up they might not tell the unvarnished truth of what happened.  

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It is simply a record of what happened.  It does not say it was moral or right.  Nobody says it was right.  Of course it was wrong.  The Bible tells the the truth of what happened in history and does not hide the bad.  It just proves the Bible came from God.  If was men just making it up they might not tell the unvarnished truth of what happened.  

God couldn’t think of any other stories to tell other than Lot being raped by his daughters?  Is God the perv?

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34 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

God couldn’t think of any other stories to tell other than Lot being raped by his daughters?  Is God the perv?

That was just part of a long history of what happened during the history of the descendants of the Abrahamic line which became the nation of Israel.  You seriously have a mental issue and do not have a child's understanding of the Bible.  Why is every comment you make about the Bible absolutely ludicrous?   I don't have any more time for your nonsense.

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Was it moral for God to order babies to be killed?

1 Samuel 15

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he lay in wait for him on the way when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

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On 5/22/2023 at 4:20 AM, BeaverFever said:

A book about puberty and sex-ed for pre-teens is now perverted pornography 

Only in the demented fever dreams of the unhinged crackpots. 

A kids' book depicting sex acts and homosexuality/trans bullshit is what's perverted. 

Only a demented, unhinged, crackpot fever dreamer would support it. 

 

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On 5/30/2023 at 11:14 PM, blackbird said:

It is simply a record of what happened.  It does not say it was moral or right.  Nobody says it was right.  Of course it was wrong.  The Bible tells the the truth of what happened in history and does not hide the bad.  It just proves the Bible came from God.  If was men just making it up they might not tell the unvarnished truth of what happened.  

Do you think it’s appropriate for children to hear all those biblical stories that normalize incest?

 

If someone were write a book with those kinds of stories in it it you would ban it. 

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On 5/30/2023 at 9:43 PM, blackbird said:

Sorry you are dead wrong.  Most modern sex education instruction presents perversion, fornication, homosexuality, and living together before marriage as “normal” expressions of sexuality.

Sex education should be done by parents, not unbelieving liberals or progressives in public education institutions, who know nothing or believe nothing about morality as taught in the Bible.

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Children will learn about sexuality from someone. The options are their peers, pornography, school settings, experimentation, or their parents. The best place for sex education is in the home, as a natural part of training children “in the way they should go” (Proverbs 22:6). It is the parents’ God-given responsibility to teach children God’s perspective on every area of life, including sexuality (Ephesians 6:1–4).

Due to the intrinsic complexities of human sexuality, the physical aspects of biological reproduction cannot be separated from moral responsibility. Regardless of whether children receive sex education in schools or even at church, it remains the parents' responsibility to ensure their children are properly educated about both the biological and moral aspects of sexuality. Leaving values-training to others is dangerous, particularly regarding matters of sexuality in many cultures today.

First, what does the Bible say about sex? Sexuality is a gift to us from God and should be viewed as such. God created sex for two purposes: procreation and unity between husband and wife (Genesis 1:28; Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:7–8; 1 Corinthians 7:1–5). Any other use of sex is sin (1 Corinthians 6:9, 18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). Sadly, many in our world do not believe these truths. As a result, there are many perversions of sexuality and much unnecessary pain caused by them. Parents who properly educate their children about sex can help their children discern truth from error, walk in wisdom, and ultimately have a more wholesome experience of the gift of sexuality.

Most modern sex education instruction presents perversion, fornication, homosexuality, and living together before marriage as “normal” expressions of sexuality. Any teaching of boundaries is limited to the avoidance of negative consequences. All of this is contrary to Scripture (1 Corinthians 6:9; Leviticus 20:15–16; Matthew 5:28). Christian parents should be actively involved in all aspects of their children’s education, especially in areas that compromise Scripture. Parents should be aware of what their children are learning and correct any misinformation given to their children. They should also educate their children in such a way as to equip the children to discern biblical truth from cultural error. God holds parents responsible for the upbringing of their children (Ephesians 6:4), not schools, churches, or governments.

Many parents find the topic of sexuality awkward and embarrassing, but it doesn’t need to be. Parents should begin when the children are very young, speaking matter-of-factly with preschoolers about their bodies and how men and women are made differently. Those conversations transition naturally into more complex areas as the child matures. It is important that a child knows he can talk to mom or dad about anything that confuses him.

Sexual information bombards us from every direction, so these parent-child conversations must begin very early. Before parents allow a school system to instruct in sexuality or morality, they must be sure their children have already learned the truth. It is then crucial to stay abreast of what the children are learning and how they are applying their knowledge. Keeping a constant, open dialogue with one’s children is a key to staying in charge of what they are learning. When parents are proactive in their children’s instruction, those children have a basis upon which to recognize and reject errors that the world promotes as truth.    unquote

How should a Christian view sex education? | GotQuestions.org

Sorry, You can’t win an argument by quoting the bible. The facts speak for themselves. School Sex ed works better than relying on parents. And “abstinence-only education” is an oxymoron and proven to be ineffective …possibly worse than saying nothing at all. 

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5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry, You can’t win an argument by quoting the bible. The facts speak for themselves. School Sex ed works better than relying on parents. And “abstinence-only education” is an oxymoron and proven to be ineffective …possibly worse than saying nothing at all. 

Spoken like a true parent hating NAZI.

Sieg Heil.

And PORN in school libraries has NOTHING to do with sex ed in schools. That's just a mor0n!c red herring.

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8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry, You can’t win an argument by quoting the bible. The facts speak for themselves. School Sex ed works better than relying on parents. And “abstinence-only education” is an oxymoron and proven to be ineffective …possibly worse than saying nothing at all. 

You bet your ass I can. The Bible is older and more reliable than anything you've got. 

YOUR facts, aren't even facts - they're manufactured evidence, at best.  

School Sex Ed has been hijacked by woke cultists. It's time for a restart. 

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9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Do you think it’s appropriate for children to hear all those biblical stories that normalize incest?

 

If someone were write a book with those kinds of stories in it it you would ban it. 

Of course whoever would be teaching the Bible in schools would have to have a certain degree of knowledge of it and be qualified.  We couldn't have you or Treebeard teaching it.  There are a few historical passages in the Bible that could be taken out of context as Herbie or Treebeard do for their own reasons to try to discredit the Bible.  Those kind of people could not teach it of course.  Must be a Bible believer teaching it to begin with.  We don't use teachers to teach subjects if they oppose the subject to begin with.

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On 5/30/2023 at 11:13 PM, TreeBeard said:

Was it moral for God to order babies to be killed?

1 Samuel 15

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he lay in wait for him on the way when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

Taking the Bible out of context again.

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On 5/30/2023 at 11:13 PM, TreeBeard said:

Was it moral for God to order babies to be killed?

1 Samuel 15

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he lay in wait for him on the way when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

Whatever God orders is moral.  God is sovereign in everything.

"He also gives him a reason for the command, that the severity he must use might not seem hard: I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, v. 2. God had an ancient quarrel with the Amalekites, for the injuries they did to his people Israel when he brought them out of Egypt. We have the story, Exod 17 8, etc., and the crime is aggravated, Deut 25 18. He basely smote the hindmost of them, and feared not God. God then swore that he would have war with Amalek from generation to generation, and that in process of time he would utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek; this is the work that Saul is now appointed to do (v. 3): "Go and smite Amalek. Israel is now strong, and the measure of the iniquity of Amalek is now full; now go and make a full riddance of that devoted nation." He is expressly commanded to kill and slay all before him, man and woman, infant and suckling, and not spare them out of pity; also ox and sheep, camel and ass, and not spare them out of covetousness."

1 Samuel 15 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete) (biblestudytools.com)

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Whatever God orders is moral.  God is sovereign in everything.

That’s a convenient excuse.   
Your moral system is corrupt.  Under a humanist system that would never be a moral action.  The humanist system is superior to your god.  

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1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

That’s a convenient excuse.   
Your moral system is corrupt.  Under a humanist system that would never be a moral action.  The humanist system is superior to your god.  

Humanist systems gave us Darwin, Eugenics, which led to Hitler and the Holocaust. Humanist systems led to Josef Stalin (the socialist "religion is the opiate of the masses" guru) to murdering 150 MILLION people. That's an ocean of blood on the hands of those who reject God.

Then again, Islam IS a religion and has a lot of blood on its hands. Islam is probably the most racist and intolerant religion of all time.

You don't see Presbyterians flying planes into buildings.

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