Americana Antifa Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 5/16/2023 at 11:51 AM, Deluge said: What is leftism really about? In the most clear terms, leftism is democratic anti-capitalism. What it's actually about is spreading wealth and power throughout society as evenly as possible in order to achieve a society that is more free in practice as opposed to just legally. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: In the most clear terms, leftism is democratic anti-capitalism. What it's actually about is spreading wealth and power throughout society as evenly as possible in order to achieve a society that is more free in practice as opposed to just legally. Nope - it couldn't care less about any of that. It wants the power and wealth concentrated in the hands of those it sees as 'worthy' and to remake society in it's own stalinist authortarian image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americana Antifa Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Nope - it couldn't care less about any of that. It wants the power and wealth concentrated in the hands of those it sees as 'worthy' and to remake society in it's own stalinist authortarian image And yet the most left-leaning countries have the most amount of freedom. ?♀️ Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: And yet the most left-leaning countries have the most amount of freedom. ?♀️ Sure - russia and china and venezuela are all bastions of personal freedoms LOL - you're making it too easy this morning Edited May 17, 2023 by CdnFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: In the most clear terms, leftism is democratic anti-capitalism. What it's actually about is spreading wealth and power throughout society as evenly as possible in order to achieve a society that is more free in practice as opposed to just legally. Sounds like a dystopian nightmare. No wonder leftism is such a turnoff to normal people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said: He reminds me of you. No, Patriotism reminds you of me. You remind everyone of a sniveling pink haired arsonist who just got his ass kicked by a Patriot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Deluge said: No, Patriotism reminds you of me. You remind everyone of a sniveling pink haired arsonist who just got his ass kicked by a Patriot. Ahh... The overt violent tendencies of the right wing buffoon. Nice to see more ons like you stay in character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Ahh... The overt violent tendencies of the right wing buffoon. Nice to see more ons like you stay in character. Sometimes it takes a good ass kicking to keep the wokies in line. Perhaps if you perverts weren't so invasive... Edited May 17, 2023 by Deluge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Deluge said: Sometimes it takes a good ass kicking to keep the wokies in line. Perhaps if you perverts weren't so invasive... I like kicking your rightwing trash person ass all over this forum. My hand hurts after slapping your profoundly stu pid ass down every damn day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americana Antifa Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 47 minutes ago, Contrarian said: While the statement you presented attempts to present leftism as a noble pursuit of spreading wealth and power evenly throughout society, it fails to acknowledge the potential consequences of such an approach. Leftism, or democratic anti-capitalism as you put it, often relies on increased government intervention and redistribution of wealth. However, history has shown that excessive government control and wealth redistribution can stifle economic growth and individual freedom. Depends what you mean by "government control." When the government is involved in people's personal lives, that's generally a bad thing. When the government regulates businesses in a way that protects worker exploitation and public health, that's generally a good thing. The kind of government overreach that hurts economic growth is the kind that only the Right wants. For example, anti-abortion laws are hurting the medical industry. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/26/us-abortion-ban-providers-doctors-leaving-states Leftists don't want government in our personal lives. Quote Uncle Sam's intervention and wealth redistribution can lead to unintended consequences, such as disincentives to work, reduced productivity, and dependence on the state. There's actually no evidence of that. When people are treated well and have their basic needs met, they tend to still want to work. People are less likely to give up and withdraw from society if they're happy. That's why the biggest welfare states don't have a problem getting people to work. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americana Antifa Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, Deluge said: Sounds like a dystopian nightmare. No wonder leftism is such a turnoff to normal people. The furthest Left countries have the highest living standards, so not very dystopian. And the majority of people are left-leaning. So no, it's not a turnoff to normal people. Conservatives are a much smaller minority. Quote Unsere Stadt, merk euch das, für euch ist kein Platz da. Alerta, Alerta, Antifascista! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said: The furthest Left countries have the highest living standards, so not very dystopian. And the majority of people are left-leaning. So no, it's not a turnoff to normal people. Conservatives are a much smaller minority. Yeah, people lean Left until they get a whiff of Portland and San Francisco then they lean to the Right. lol The problem is, leftism appeals to the lazy side of humanity - it turns once beautiful cities like Portland into shit holes. We as a people have to decide whether we want a truly free society, or a gloomy, leftist dictatorship. I choose the former. Edited May 17, 2023 by Deluge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I like kicking your rightwing trash person ass all over this forum. My hand hurts after slapping your profoundly stu pid ass down every damn day. You like dreaming about kicking my ass, but we both know you're a gimp in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I like kicking your rightwing trash person ass all over this forum. My hand hurts after slapping your profoundly stu pid ass down every damn day. ROFLMAO - wow, such vivid imagination Then she wakes up and for some strange reason her bedpost is dinted to hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Deluge said: I'm curious to know what you think is actually extreme left. Extreme Left: Stalin and Mao Extreme Right: Hitler, Mussolini, Kings, religious theocracies (Iran) Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rebound said: Extreme Left: Stalin and Mao Extreme Right: Hitler, Mussolini, Kings, religious theocracies (Iran) Not kings - that's completely different and isn't on the left-right spectrum. And not religious theocracies. Mussolini - kind of , hitler - meh, he was more socialist democrat so you could argue it either way but as has been mentioned when you get to the real extremes the difference between right and left is paper thin ayway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Deluge said: You like dreaming about kicking my ass, but we both know you're a gimp in real life. I slap you down every time we talk. You're just that stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Not kings - that's completely different and isn't on the left-right spectrum. And not religious theocracies. Mussolini - kind of , hitler - meh, he was more socialist democrat so you could argue it either way but as has been mentioned when you get to the real extremes the difference between right and left is paper thin ayway Of course a King is a right wing dictator. Nobody gets to vote, the king rules and owns all. Hitler called himself socialist but nobody got to vote once he seized power. There was nothing left wing about him; his ideological enemy was the USSR, not the West. Edited May 17, 2023 by Rebound 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: Of course a King is a right wing dictator. Nobody gets to vote, the king rules and owns all. you mean like putin, or mao? Hmmm - turns out the king is a left wing dictator A monarchy isn't a left right spectrum model. Sorry - you'll have to read a book to learn more. 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: Hitler called himself socialist but nobody got to vote once he seized power. Again - same as stalin, putin. mao, castro, etc etc etc. That's ALL socialists. But really it's all authortarians. All socialists are authortarian (otherwise the system doesn't work) but not all authortarians are socialist. 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: There was nothing left wing about him; his ideological enemy was the USSR, not the West. There was a great deal left wing about him. Actually- if he hadn't gone nuts and tried to take over the world i would expect he'd be held up today as a great hero by the socialists. He was the model of a social democrat, a person who uses gov't control and regulation and partial ownership to create socialist style control of the means of production within a capitalist model. And he actually made it work for a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I slap you down every time we talk. You're just that stupid. You slap yourself, even during your self-abuse fantasy camps. I knock you on your ass while you pollute this forum with your woke bullshit. Edited May 17, 2023 by Deluge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Deluge said: 24 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I slap you down every time we talk. 10 minutes ago, Deluge said: You slap yourself 11 minutes ago, Deluge said: I knock you on your ass ummmm ..... no offense guys, but this is getting a little awkward for the rest of us. Not that we're judging, whatever you two are into is fine.. Did you need us to give you two a little privacy for a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrakHoBarbie Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Deluge said: You slap yourself, even during your self-abuse fantasy camps. I knock you on your ass while you pollute this forum with your woke bullshit. Stop saying stu pid shit, I won't have to keep slapping you down. Personally, I think you like it. Rightwing trash talkers are notorious gluttons for punishment. Edited May 17, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, CdnFox said: you mean like putin, or mao? Hmmm - turns out the king is a left wing dictator A monarchy isn't a left right spectrum model. Sorry - you'll have to read a book to learn more. Again - same as stalin, putin. mao, castro, etc etc etc. That's ALL socialists. But really it's all authortarians. All socialists are authortarian (otherwise the system doesn't work) but not all authortarians are socialist. There was a great deal left wing about him. Actually- if he hadn't gone nuts and tried to take over the world i would expect he'd be held up today as a great hero by the socialists. He was the model of a social democrat, a person who uses gov't control and regulation and partial ownership to create socialist style control of the means of production within a capitalist model. And he actually made it work for a time. Putin is not a king and neither was Mao. The leaders of Saudi Arabia and Qatar are kings. Louis XIV was a King. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted May 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Stop saying stu pid shit, Yes, Joe, quit saying stupid shit; your woketard supporters are sick of trying to defend you. Edited May 17, 2023 by Deluge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 Funny. A multipage discussion on what socialism is by ultra-rightists who've convinced themselves they are conservatives. Who fooled themselves into believing political right means 'correct' rather than what side of Parliament you sat on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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