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It’s important to recognize that the “far left” and “conservatives” are usually controlled opposition, they don’t really threaten the hegemony of the liberal/leftist elites. They’re all part of the show.

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Well there's leftism and then there's leftism.

Remember that the far left - which is currently the very slim majority of the left as far as i can determine, will happily cancel or severely punish/chastise many on the left who aren't "left enough" on some issues.

Right now the left seems mostly about tearing down western society and institutions with the intent of replacing them with their vision of a soclistic utopia. They demonize everything as being horrible with no redeeming value. Police? Get rid of them all. Lincon? That slave owning rat bastard's statues must come down.

Canada? Horrible place - we should ban canada day (they actually tried to do that) and the entire country is completely ruined because a large number of children died of illness that was killing a large number of children EVERYWHERE. So we should cancel canada.

They basically want you to feel bad about everything. Your heritage (guilt if you're white, anger if you're anyone else), the country's history, the religious institutions that are traditional, ideology or moral structure,

Once enough people decide that our current culture and social structure are 'bad', then they'll be open to the Left's vision of a socialistic/communistic society as they envision it. 

 

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22 minutes ago, Rebound said:

There is zero difference between extreme right and extreme left, because both are dictatorships.  

True. Well - no important differences. The ideology changes a little but the end result is the same.

The thing is - as a society we all accept the far right is bad. THe lefties are attempting to sell the far left as 'enlightened and woke".

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8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

True. Well - no important differences. The ideology changes a little but the end result is the same.

The thing is - as a society we all accept the far right is bad. THe lefties are attempting to sell the far left as 'enlightened and woke".

The righties are the ones trying to sell the left as “woke.”  I get emails from Democrats all the time. They never call themselves woke.  
 

Joe Biden is leader of the Democratic Party right now. How many Presidential Pardons has he issued to cronies or Democratic politicians or rioters? ZERO.  
 

So yes, of course there are both conservative and liberal extremists.  But the Democrats are not embracing the extremists by any means. We have different values, such as environmental protection and higher taxation of higher incomes, just as Republicans Eisenhower and Nixon also had.  Today’s tax rates have created an ultra small class of ultra-ultra-rich the likes of which the world has never seen. Russia has their oligarchs and so does America.  You talk about wealth redistribution but we have wealth redistribution to the ultra-rich. It doesn’t make our economy any stronger at all.  

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11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The righties are the ones trying to sell the left as “woke.”

There's no selling :)  The term came from the left - and it's become seen as an example of the lefts more wingbat ideas and social justice warrior mentalities.

But the fact there's a name for it doesn't somehow mean that the things it describes are untrue. That's a cop out.

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

 I get emails from Democrats all the time. They never call themselves woke. 

Why would they? Most racists don't call themselves racists after all. :)

It has become a somewhat derogatory term because the left wing ideology is seen in  a poor light so of course lefties aren't going to use it. But that's a problem with the ideology not the term.

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

 

Joe Biden is leader of the Democratic Party right now. How many Presidential Pardons has he issued to cronies or Democratic politicians or rioters? ZERO. 

Neither did trump at this point in his term. Truthfully it's something you do at the end. But plenty of democrats have over the years.

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

 

So yes, of course there are both conservative and liberal extremists.  But the Democrats are not embracing the extremists by any means.

They absolutely are. Which is why you got biden - The party was about to choose bernie sanders. They realized they'd never sell him to the 'undecided' who decide each election so the did a deal. But that's who they were going to pick.

The big stars of the party are people like AOC - rashida - etc.

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

We have different values, such as environmental protection and higher taxation of higher incomes, just as Republicans Eisenhower and Nixon also had.  Today’s tax rates have created an ultra small class of ultra-ultra-rich the likes of which the world has never seen. Russia has their oligarchs and so does America.  You talk about wealth redistribution but we have wealth redistribution to the ultra-rich. It doesn’t make our economy any stronger at all.  

Well - putting aside the economics discussion, it's not about having 'different' opinions.    it's that the left wants to hurt anyone who has a different opinion. They are also easily the biggest hypocrites in the world. And that's part of the radical element.

People who aren't sufficiently left should be cancelled. Everyone should believe like we do, we shouldn't tolerate or accommodate any other position. Everyone on the right is a nazi and a fascist and it's fine to punch nazis. This was pretty mainstream stuff and the party wasn't speaking out against it, that's for sure.

Oh - and anyone who doesn't want to ban all guns is a baby killer and loves their guns more than their children. and if you don't want to sleep with a trans person that means your transphobic and evil.  Like - these were real things put out there as accepted.

THe left has a problem right now.

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4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There's no selling :)  The term came from the left - and it's become seen as an example of the lefts more wingbat ideas and social justice warrior mentalities.

But the fact there's a name for it doesn't somehow mean that the things it describes are untrue. That's a cop out.

Why would they? Most racists don't call themselves racists after all. :)

It has become a somewhat derogatory term because the left wing ideology is seen in  a poor light so of course lefties aren't going to use it. But that's a problem with the ideology not the term.

Neither did trump at this point in his term. Truthfully it's something you do at the end. But plenty of democrats have over the years.

They absolutely are. Which is why you got biden - The party was about to choose bernie sanders. They realized they'd never sell him to the 'undecided' who decide each election so the did a deal. But that's who they were going to pick.

The big stars of the party are people like AOC - rashida - etc.

Well - putting aside the economics discussion, it's not about having 'different' opinions.    it's that the left wants to hurt anyone who has a different opinion. They are also easily the biggest hypocrites in the world. And that's part of the radical element.

People who aren't sufficiently left should be cancelled. Everyone should believe like we do, we shouldn't tolerate or accommodate any other position. Everyone on the right is a nazi and a fascist and it's fine to punch nazis. This was pretty mainstream stuff and the party wasn't speaking out against it, that's for sure.

Oh - and anyone who doesn't want to ban all guns is a baby killer and loves their guns more than their children. and if you don't want to sleep with a trans person that means your transphobic and evil.  Like - these were real things put out there as accepted.

THe left has a problem right now.

Left wing ideology is not seen in a poor light. 
 

Left wing ideologies are supported by a majority of voters, but right wing ideologies are supported by the oligarch billionaires. 
Left wing ideologies are overwhelmingly supported by a majority on issues such as gun control, abortion, climate policy, gay rights, religious liberty, and on and on. 
 

America’s Republicans represent a minority of Americans and the Democrats represent a majority. Remember that Hillary got millions more votes than Trump and so did Biden.  Democrat Congressmen and Senators represent far more people than the Republican Congressmen and Senators represent. These are facts. 

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1 minute ago, Rebound said:

Left wing ideology is not seen in a poor light.

Im afraid it is. Or to be more specific - the more prominent elements of it is. Which is why 'woke' is now a pejorative.

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Left wing ideologies are supported by a majority of voters, but right wing ideologies are supported by the oligarch billionaires. 

Annnnd there's an example of the kind of nonsense that has caused people to be turned off by the left. 

FIrst off it's wrong. That's pretty easily demonstrated. If it wasn't wrong then the republicans would never win an election.  Second off it dismisses anyone who's right wing in a horrible and non inclusive way. I mean you're saying anyone who disagrees with you are simply puppets for an 'oligarchy', and not free thnkers. Basically it's hate filled rhetoric and people are getting sick of having hatred pushed on them.

1 minute ago, Rebound said:


Left wing ideologies are overwhelmingly supported by a majority on issues such as gun control, abortion, climate policy, gay rights, religious liberty, and on and on. 

Nope. sorry.

Guns -the left wants widespread gun bans and seriously restricted ownership. 

the general public would like to see some fairly minor changes to background checks.

Abortion - the left wants it to be ok to terminate the fetus even for a short time after birth, but definitely up to the point where it enters the birth canal.

General public says - only 35 percent agree with that. The rest want some restrictions on abortion.

Climate Policy:  we don't actually have much about how the public reacted to that bill specifically but we do have this -and it strongly suggests that people were not happy with it one way or another https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/congress-approval-gallup-polling/index.html

Dems are TERRIBLE at religeous liberaty and the party has been deeply anti semetic.

Gay rights - meh, republicans aren't really clamoring for more 'anti gay laws'.  Not really a 'democrat' thing.

Sorry - but the fact is that the dem agenda is not popular, and thats just the more moderate stuff.

How are the dems approval numbers if they're so strongly supported?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Ruh roe.  Biden's presidency is NOT popular.  And a biden and desantis show down woudl be an even match.

Sorry. Just not that popular.

 

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56 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I went with others: 

Serious concerns about the practicality of leftism and its potential excesses. One issue is the tendency towards excessive centralization, which can hinder efficiency and adaptability. Additionally, an overemphasis on equality without considering individual freedoms and personal responsibility arises in such a movement. It is important to strike a balance between societal goals and individual rights in order to achieve a more sustainable and effective system. In my opinion, leftism tends, in the name of those societal goals to push its theories disregarding the practical which leads to chaos in the long run. 

I can more or less agree with this assessment. 

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