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2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

That was point.  They calculate taxes based on property value because it's the only thing that makes sense, not because it's simple.  I provided an example, and now you've provided several on top of that, showing us why a municipality doesn't give a crap what your square footage is.   

no - your point was that it would be easy to do it by sq feet - i pointed out in direct response to that it would not be easy, which is why they don't base it on that exclusively. But it's a factor.

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It's a consideration for how much your property is worth.  It has nothing to do with how municipalities set their property tax rates, which is what you've been saying.  

I think we've already established you have no idea how this works.

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

No, this is what you were arguing:

No it isn't - that's a tiny point in what i was arguing. what i was arguing is that toronto is NOT the lowest property taxes at all and that raising taxes isn't a good idea. And one of the basis's  of that was that lower rates still equal more taxes when combined with higher values. Which you initially questioned and now seem to agree with which is great.

I get why you're trying to CHANGE what i was arguing  - you can't argue against that.  But - sorry, it was simply one point that when they are looking at what to charge and how much they have to make they consider that.

And my point was valid - toronto is NOT the lowest taxed. At all.

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Which is ridiculous.  The municipal budget could not care less what your square foot price is.  All they care about is what your property is worth, how much revenue that generates for them, and what the budget surplus or deficit is.  If they are taking less money in than they are spending, they have to either cut spending or raise taxes. 

 Ok - i'll try again.

There is no chance the municipality can accurately asses the value of your individual property. That would take an insane amount of time.  So they need to work out solutions that are 'reasonable' and easy - while still accounting for as much as they can.

They ALSO know they need X number of dollars. They don't just pull a number out of their ass - they plan budgets carefully.  So they have to have a good working knowledge of their 'taxable stock'.

SO they have to use tools to gauge approximate values and revenues in order to come to an "estimated" value.  And absolutely sq ft plays a role in that because it's a measurable constant. Its something they can work with to come up with a model to assess the thousands of properties they need to quickly. 

So you get something similar to "age is xx - lot size is yy- sq ft is zz = value xyz That's simplistic but it demonstrates the point. And sq ft is something that's very easy to measure for up coming years. Developers put in plans and permits and it's very easy for future planning over the next couple of years to use a per sq ft rate as an average and come very close. So it's very important. Councils can say "we have xxxx sq ft of taxable space coming on line in the next 2 years - so revenues will increase by an average of... "

Hell - even your realtor will take sq ft into account when determining what your home will sell for. This is not complicated. It's a major part of the model to determine value so it's a very easy figure to use when they're doing planning.

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

In Toronto's case, they can keep trying to go back to the provincial and federal governments for handouts, but it hasn't worked lately.  Consequently, property taxes rates have gone UP, while square footage per person has done the opposite.

As the report you posted noted, and as we've discussed, toronto is currently overtaxing commercial property and under taxing residential, and is moving to bring that into better balance.

The bottom line is that toronto property taxes are already fairly high, and raising them would not be a good idea.  I suppose one could say there could be exceptions to that but as a rule it woudln't be a good idea.

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9 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Tory didn’t privatize it either.  By your definition, he’s a hardcore socialist.  Makes zero logical sense. 

Hardcore socialist prefers public and government solutions, social Democrat wants some private  solutions but heavily regulated.  Red Tory tolerates some public solutions.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

but she was married to a white man, who was actually a Christian

 

Oh no doubt. The mixed race couple are extremely fashionable in ads and public life. Public life being whit hate now.

The former communist Edmonton mayor had the photo opt asian wife almost by design.

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1 minute ago, RedDog said:

Oh no doubt. The mixed race couple are extremely fashionable in ads and public life. Public life being whit hate now.

The former communist Edmonton mayor had the photo opt asian wife almost by design.

but Olivia Chow was born in British Hong Kong, moved to the British Canada, and married a British white man

how can that be a symbol of "anti-white hatred" ?

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1 hour ago, RedDog said:

I see mixed race couples as white hate racism. By that I mean in the current  modern day sense. I believe it now to represent more hate or bold political statement than actual love.

Why does skin colour matter so much to you?  
 

If someone is born in Canada, but has dark skin, does that make them less Canadian than you?

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21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think we've already established you have no idea how this works.

You wrote a ~500 word post explaining that square footage is a factor in real-estate property prices.  

If we've established anything it's that you couldn't organize your thoughts into a concise response, and that you lost the thread of debate.  

 

 

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41 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You wrote a ~500 word post explaining that square footage is a factor in real-estate property prices.  

If we've established anything it's that you couldn't organize your thoughts into a concise response, and that you lost the thread of debate. 

ROFLMAO !!!! - Holy shit you are a bitter little person :) What a loser :) This has been bugging you for days hasn't it. 

Fact is i did organize it into a condensed concise response.  And you coudln't understand it. Anyone with a brain would have realized i was correct from the get go. It's  not my fault you haven't got the brains of a 9 year old :)

Did you spend the last day or so trying to think that up? That was the BEST you could do?

Holy shit kid - well we've pretty much dispelled the myth that your smart :) Here you can have this back

 

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11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Fact is i did organize it into a condensed concise response.  And you coudln't understand it.

If you consider a full-page, ~10 paragraph ramble to be a "condense concise response", then that's a cry for help.  

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Did you spend the last day or so trying to think that up? That was the BEST you could do?

That you imagined me staring at my screen in frustration just because I didn't respond quickly after you posted at 1:30am (my time) is a worrying glimpse into your mindset.  The possibility that people sleep, work, play sports etc, and don't prioritize responding to walls of text is lost on you.  

As for the response itself, it didn't require my best.  When you're literally explaining that square footage helps determine property prices (as if anyone argued otherwise, anywhere), you're just debating with yourself again.  

 

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22 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Why does skin colour matter so much to you?  
 

If someone is born in Canada, but has dark skin, does that make them less Canadian than you?

I already answered. I see likely bogus mixed race as a political statement. It’s a race statement I consider fake.

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9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If you consider a full-page, ~10 paragraph ramble to be a "condense concise response", then that's a cry for help.  

If you find reading a single page of text onerious then that's a cry for education and a brain transplant.

And i felt "the rates are higher than you think because they're applied to higher value properties" was pretty concise - but it was too much for you to understand without further explanation.

And once again - you feel bad about how the conversation went and your big complaint is "U USE 2 MANY WORDS! ME HEAD HURT! UGH".

Hell kid - learn to read. And think - you woudln't have been in that position if you'd thought a little when i did make it simple.

9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That you imagined me staring at my screen in frustration just because I didn't respond quickly after you posted at 1:30am (my time) is a worrying glimpse into your mindset.  The possibility that people sleep, work, play sports etc, and don't prioritize responding to walls of text is lost on you.  

Sure kid :)

And its' pretty obvious you're obsessing over this. As the math shows, you were wrong.  It happens. But apperently it's eating you alive

9 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

As for the response itself, it didn't require my best. 

And yet that's apparently what you gave - which is sad :)

If making a simple mistake and being wrong causes you this much grief you need to rethink being on the internet.

In the meantime - they say laugher helps soothe the tortured soul. Have this :)

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1 hour ago, RedDog said:

I already answered. I see likely bogus mixed race as a political statement. It’s a race statement I consider fake.

I don’t understand …. is this you trying to soften a racist stance, or what?   I don’t know what a “bogus mixed race” is, nor how skin colour can be a political statement.   I also don’t know what a “race statement” is.   

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