The state of 24 Sussex Drive is an increasingly absurd embarrassment

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

100%!

 

But how funny would it be if Trudeau defends his next policy move by saying “But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!”

Very   But - i think he'd find the room service lacking  

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

We can blame Harper as much as JT or anyone else, Harper refused the much needed repairs as well. When he moved out the place was already in an uninhabitable condition due to DECADES OF NEGLECT from Harper and from his predecessors. Every PM who neglected the property only left the next PM with aN even bigger repair bill as costs always go up with time and as the building continues to deteriorate  
 

And now PP is perpetuating the problem by trying to keep the topic politicized and frame it as ‘Trudeau’s mansion’ which will only ensure the the issue remains politically untouchable for another generation. 

This is typical of what i call the Liberal deflection, most items that Justin promised to fix are not , so we can still blame Harper for those things like Defense, our entire security apparatus, immigration, well you get the point almost everything that is or was on the liberals plate today , some of these things have been on other previous PM plates as well they did not tackle the issue, so by passing the buck it will still be blamed on the previous government...To bad Harper is not running for PM, he would have a lot to answer for... One day Justin will have to answer for all he's done and what he has NOT done...and he will in the next election..

Here is the thing, Justin is in power right now, and has been the last 8 years, he owns all those issues and files, Thats what leadership does, excepts blame for anything not completed or done right, as well as things that have gone well. Except when it comes to Liberals, then it is Harpers fault... Canadians see right through all of that...hence why Justins support is dwindling...

[I am Groot]

On 8/29/2023 at 4:57 PM, CdnFox said:

They're probably right - abandon it and rebuild somewhere else.  And PP is probably right - you could probably use some of the existing gov't buildings for dignitary work and build a modest but classy home for the PM to live in that was secure.

I get why he's saying it's the last thing on his mind but - someone's got to deal with it. We look like some 3rd world nation if we can't even keep a residence for our leader.

Modest? As opposition leader PP lives in a 10,000 square foot mansion in Rockliffe Park. Unless he's suggesting the PMs place should be smaller 'modest' is just not the word for it.

[I am Groot]

It's a gorgeous location. So build a similar house there. And by 'house' I mean 'mansion' all updated and everything and then let that be the governor general's home. Meanwhile, the PM can move across the street to Rideau Hall, which is a big, rambling place with high fences where you can put lots of employees, have formal visitors, meetings, receptions and dinners, and be secure from crazed terrorists.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Modest? As opposition leader PP lives in a 10,000 square foot mansion in Rockliffe Park. Unless he's suggesting the PMs place should be smaller 'modest' is just not the word for it.

If it were that size it would be very 'modest' for a prime residence.  Remember currently stornoway is not considered good enough for the prime minister because it's far too small

One the same size that used existing surrounding buildings would be nice

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If it were that size it would be very 'modest' for a prime residence.  Remember currently stornoway is not considered good enough for the prime minister because it's far too small

One the same size that used existing surrounding buildings would be nice

Can't work. The reason why they say the existing location is inadequate is security. They say it's too small and people on the sidewalk and road can get too close to the house. Yet that's a five-acre site. There are very, very few larger sites anywhere near Parliament Hill unless you take parkland away. Which, as you might imagine, would not go over well. Or move it to Gatineau, which would go over even less well. Besides, having to cross a long bridge every day is not exactly 'secure'. 

 

[BeaverFever]

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

the PM can move across the street to Rideau Hall, which is a big, rambling place with high fences where you can put lots of employees, have formal visitors, meetings, receptions and dinners, and be secure from crazed terrorists.

I like that idea!  One of the articles suggested that the current Rideau Cottage temp arrangement sends the wrong message because it has the PM living in the King’s backyard.  I like the idea of a PM kicking the King out of his house and taking it for himself, I think that sends the right message!  Sending the King to 24 Sussex AS IS would send am even stronger message!  Maybe put the furnace back in before winter though, I’m not completely heartless. ?

Edited September 1, 2023 by BeaverFever

[ExFlyer]

On 8/30/2023 at 6:22 PM, Army Guy said:

This is typical of what i call the Liberal deflection, most items that Justin promised to fix are not , so we can still blame Harper for those things like Defense, our entire security apparatus, immigration, well you get the point almost everything that is or was on the liberals plate today , some of these things have been on other previous PM plates as well they did not tackle the issue, so by passing the buck it will still be blamed on the previous government...To bad Harper is not running for PM, he would have a lot to answer for... One day Justin will have to answer for all he's done and what he has NOT done...and he will in the next election..

Here is the thing, Justin is in power right now, and has been the last 8 years, he owns all those issues and files, Thats what leadership does, excepts blame for anything not completed or done right, as well as things that have gone well. Except when it comes to Liberals, then it is Harpers fault... Canadians see right through all of that...hence why Justins support is dwindling...

We are talking about a house , that the present PM refused to move into.

The many decades of neglects form every PM, liberal and conservative, has led to this state of disrepair.

JT is not to blame, he just inherited the crappy house (from Harper LOL) and refused to move in.

[BeaverFever]

Battle over 24 Sussex's future heats up with a new plan to save run-down residence

The Ottawa-based firm Trace Architectures has drawn up a proposal for a 'radical rehabilitation' of the prime minister's official residence at 24 Sussex Dr. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

As part of an effort to save 24 Sussex Drive for future prime ministers, a group of heritage-minded construction industry figures has come forward with a plan to restore the dilapidated residence.

Historic Ottawa Development Inc. (HODI) — a non-profit organization that includes noted architects, conservationists and project managers with a track record of saving heritage properties from demolition — says it can't stomach the idea of the 150-year-old building being abandoned as the prime minister's official residence.

HODI maintains the home has been at the centre of national political life for generations and shouldn't be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Marc Denhez is the president of HODI and a past member of the official residences advisory committee at the National Capital Commission (NCC).

He said he believes reports of the home's state of decay have been exaggerated and the suggested price tag to fix the place is out of step with industry norms for a renovation project of this scale.

"We have a number of experts at our disposal and all of them unanimously have said the $36.6 million figure is for the birds," Denhez told CBC News.

A 2021 NCC report concluded the residence is in "critical" condition and estimated the cost to complete "deferred maintenance" at more than $36 million. The report set the home's "current replacement value" at $40.1 million.

"It can be done for a lot less money if you know how to kick the tires. And we have people who know how to kick tires," Denhez said.

The grounds at the Prime Minister's residence at 24 Sussex Drive in Ottawa. The National Capital Commission (NCC) has started to strip the property of asbestos and remove obsolete mechanical, heating and electrical systems — but the property's future is still uncertain. (Tom Hanson/The Canadian Press)

He said the option of commandeering landin Ottawa's Rockcliffe Park for a new home — floated by government sources in a Radio-Canada story earlier this week — would be more expensive than fixing up the current Gothic Revival-style home to modern standards.

"Don't compare us to Jesus Christ. Compare us to the alternative and the alternative is kicking out park goers and putting a glass box in the middle of parkland," Denhez said.

"There's an apparent assumption that it's going to be so much more economical to snatch up parkland and start from scratch. We don't think that's true."

Trace Architectures' proposal for 24 Sussex Dr. would preserve the existing home. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

Denhez said it shouldn't take millions of dollars to clear out dead rats and squirrels in the walls. Remediation work to remove asbestos and replace outdated electric systems is already underway, he added.

Denhez said the prime minister doesn't require a lavish home with a designated space for large receptions.

He said that under Canada's Westminster system of parliamentary democracy, it's the King's representative who has most of the official hosting duties and Rideau Hall is already well equipped to handle such events.

What the prime minister needs, Denhez said, is a respectable home worthy of a G7 leader with space for family and rooms to host smaller affairs of state.

A renovated 24 Sussex, at 12,000 square feet, would fit the bill, he said.

"It's the Crown that has the responsibility for holding state events. In Britain, you don't have a state banquet at No. 10 Downing St. The prime minister gets in his limo and drives over to Buckingham Palace," he said.

"The same practice applies here in Canada. But you have some people in government who are saying, 'Oh, 24 Sussex, it's not presidential enough.'"

A spokesperson for the NCC declined to comment on the agency's long-term plans for 24 Sussex.

The home was closed for "health and safety reasons" last fall, the spokesperson said.

Starting in September, construction workers will start "abatement of designated substances" while removing outdated mechanical and electrical systems, she said.

A spokesperson for Public Services and Procurement Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said the government is working closely with the NCC to "develop a plan for the future."

A government source speaking to CBC News on background said Duclos will release the government's plan for the residence "soon."

"That's the best I can tell you. The final plan will come soon. It's at the top of the list for the minister," the source said.

Trace Architectures' proposal for 24 Sussex Dr. would add an 'official wing' to the residence for state functions. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

Ken Grafton, a project manager at HODI, said the government shouldn't be rushing into a decision to replace the home. He said HODI wants the opportunity to make its pitch to Duclos to save 24 Sussex.

He said the NCC has stymied HODI's efforts to obtain detailed documents about the home's condition and the figures that support the $36.6 million price tag to replace it.

"The historic value of the home is very high. Think of all the world leaders that have been through there. It'd be ridiculous to demolish that. The government can't be that callous," Grafton said.

"We've assembled a team that's really bulletproof in terms of credibility on built heritage. We just want the chance to overturn the negative narrative that's been surrounding 24 Sussex for too long. We want to be a resource for the government."

WATCH: 24 Sussex may never house another prime minister 

 

 

The official residence of the prime minister, 24 Sussex Drive, may never house another prime minister. The federal government is looking into options for a more modern and secure house for future prime ministers.

Mark Brandt is a senior conservation architect at Trace, an Ottawa firm that has worked on retrofits of prominent heritage buildings like Parliament Hill's East Block and the Sir John A. Macdonald Building.

A past president of HODI who supports the non-profit's current efforts to save the home, Brandt has drafted an unsolicited proposal to preserve 24 Sussex while also building a new "official wing" on the home's expansive two-hectare grounds.

The existing residence would be returned to its original function as a single-family home while the new addition could be used for other official purposes, he said.

"All this talk of demolishing a historic building — it's crazy. The residence can be saved and it can be rehabilitated. There's no reason to lose the history or the gravitas of the place," Brandt told CBC News.

An architect at Trace Architectures, a firm that has worked on other historic rehabilitations in Ottawa, says the home's current location is secure. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

"You can do a completely modern, super-secure, net-zero carbon emissions addition. It can be a friendly next-door neighbour to the existing building which, as part of our proposal, can be fully restored on this spectacular site."

Security concerns are what's motivating the government to consider other sites for the official residence.

The existing home is relatively close to the street, which poses a risk given the real threats Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already faced while in office.

But Brandt said those risks can be mitigated.

The home's location — atop a cliff and surrounded by water on three sides — is already ideal from a security standpoint, he said.

The existing perimeter fence and gate can be "hardened," he added, and the road system reworked slightly to prevent unwanted vehicles from getting too close.

"The home's neighbours, the French embassy and the governor general's residence, seem to be quite happy with the security situation. Security is a challenge but I also think it's a red herring. We have great minds who've dealt with this before and they can do it again," he said.

Other official residences, like the White House in Washington, D.C., are arguably much more exposed to security risks than 24 Sussex, he said.

And other buildings frequented by Trudeau, including ones that Brandt's firm helped design in the parliamentary precinct, are also in more vulnerable urban locations, he said.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/save-24-sussex-new-plan-1.6953440

[Army Guy]

28 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

We are talking about a house , that the present PM refused to move into.

The many decades of neglects form every PM, liberal and conservative, has led to this state of disrepair.

JT is not to blame, he just inherited the crappy house (from Harper LOL) and refused to move in.

No we are talking about after 8 years as PM, the house he refused to move into is still junk, so much so they are thinking about dozing it to the ground...it is just more proof that you can't get anything done in this country, under this leader... You don't get a free pass becasue the last PM did not fix it...you are going to get judged for what you did do or did not do. In this case he did not do anything that we know off. 

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Battle over 24 Sussex's future heats up with a new plan to save run-down residence

The Ottawa-based firm Trace Architectures has drawn up a proposal for a 'radical rehabilitation' of the prime minister's official residence at 24 Sussex Dr. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

As part of an effort to save 24 Sussex Drive for future prime ministers, a group of heritage-minded construction industry figures has come forward with a plan to restore the dilapidated residence.

Historic Ottawa Development Inc. (HODI) — a non-profit organization that includes noted architects, conservationists and project managers with a track record of saving heritage properties from demolition — says it can't stomach the idea of the 150-year-old building being abandoned as the prime minister's official residence.

HODI maintains the home has been at the centre of national political life for generations and shouldn't be relegated to the dustbin of history.

Marc Denhez is the president of HODI and a past member of the official residences advisory committee at the National Capital Commission (NCC).

He said he believes reports of the home's state of decay have been exaggerated and the suggested price tag to fix the place is out of step with industry norms for a renovation project of this scale.

"We have a number of experts at our disposal and all of them unanimously have said the $36.6 million figure is for the birds," Denhez told CBC News.

A 2021 NCC report concluded the residence is in "critical" condition and estimated the cost to complete "deferred maintenance" at more than $36 million. The report set the home's "current replacement value" at $40.1 million.

"It can be done for a lot less money if you know how to kick the tires. And we have people who know how to kick tires," Denhez said.

The grounds at the Prime Minister's residence at 24 Sussex Drive in Ottawa. The National Capital Commission (NCC) has started to strip the property of asbestos and remove obsolete mechanical, heating and electrical systems — but the property's future is still uncertain. (Tom Hanson/The Canadian Press)

He said the option of commandeering landin Ottawa's Rockcliffe Park for a new home — floated by government sources in a Radio-Canada story earlier this week — would be more expensive than fixing up the current Gothic Revival-style home to modern standards.

"Don't compare us to Jesus Christ. Compare us to the alternative and the alternative is kicking out park goers and putting a glass box in the middle of parkland," Denhez said.

"There's an apparent assumption that it's going to be so much more economical to snatch up parkland and start from scratch. We don't think that's true."

Trace Architectures' proposal for 24 Sussex Dr. would preserve the existing home. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

Denhez said it shouldn't take millions of dollars to clear out dead rats and squirrels in the walls. Remediation work to remove asbestos and replace outdated electric systems is already underway, he added.

Denhez said the prime minister doesn't require a lavish home with a designated space for large receptions.

He said that under Canada's Westminster system of parliamentary democracy, it's the King's representative who has most of the official hosting duties and Rideau Hall is already well equipped to handle such events.

What the prime minister needs, Denhez said, is a respectable home worthy of a G7 leader with space for family and rooms to host smaller affairs of state.

A renovated 24 Sussex, at 12,000 square feet, would fit the bill, he said.

"It's the Crown that has the responsibility for holding state events. In Britain, you don't have a state banquet at No. 10 Downing St. The prime minister gets in his limo and drives over to Buckingham Palace," he said.

"The same practice applies here in Canada. But you have some people in government who are saying, 'Oh, 24 Sussex, it's not presidential enough.'"

A spokesperson for the NCC declined to comment on the agency's long-term plans for 24 Sussex.

The home was closed for "health and safety reasons" last fall, the spokesperson said.

Starting in September, construction workers will start "abatement of designated substances" while removing outdated mechanical and electrical systems, she said.

A spokesperson for Public Services and Procurement Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said the government is working closely with the NCC to "develop a plan for the future."

A government source speaking to CBC News on background said Duclos will release the government's plan for the residence "soon."

"That's the best I can tell you. The final plan will come soon. It's at the top of the list for the minister," the source said.

Trace Architectures' proposal for 24 Sussex Dr. would add an 'official wing' to the residence for state functions. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

Ken Grafton, a project manager at HODI, said the government shouldn't be rushing into a decision to replace the home. He said HODI wants the opportunity to make its pitch to Duclos to save 24 Sussex.

He said the NCC has stymied HODI's efforts to obtain detailed documents about the home's condition and the figures that support the $36.6 million price tag to replace it.

"The historic value of the home is very high. Think of all the world leaders that have been through there. It'd be ridiculous to demolish that. The government can't be that callous," Grafton said.

"We've assembled a team that's really bulletproof in terms of credibility on built heritage. We just want the chance to overturn the negative narrative that's been surrounding 24 Sussex for too long. We want to be a resource for the government."

WATCH: 24 Sussex may never house another prime minister 

 

 

The official residence of the prime minister, 24 Sussex Drive, may never house another prime minister. The federal government is looking into options for a more modern and secure house for future prime ministers.

Mark Brandt is a senior conservation architect at Trace, an Ottawa firm that has worked on retrofits of prominent heritage buildings like Parliament Hill's East Block and the Sir John A. Macdonald Building.

A past president of HODI who supports the non-profit's current efforts to save the home, Brandt has drafted an unsolicited proposal to preserve 24 Sussex while also building a new "official wing" on the home's expansive two-hectare grounds.

The existing residence would be returned to its original function as a single-family home while the new addition could be used for other official purposes, he said.

"All this talk of demolishing a historic building — it's crazy. The residence can be saved and it can be rehabilitated. There's no reason to lose the history or the gravitas of the place," Brandt told CBC News.

An architect at Trace Architectures, a firm that has worked on other historic rehabilitations in Ottawa, says the home's current location is secure. (Supplied by Trace Architectures)

"You can do a completely modern, super-secure, net-zero carbon emissions addition. It can be a friendly next-door neighbour to the existing building which, as part of our proposal, can be fully restored on this spectacular site."

Security concerns are what's motivating the government to consider other sites for the official residence.

The existing home is relatively close to the street, which poses a risk given the real threats Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already faced while in office.

But Brandt said those risks can be mitigated.

The home's location — atop a cliff and surrounded by water on three sides — is already ideal from a security standpoint, he said.

The existing perimeter fence and gate can be "hardened," he added, and the road system reworked slightly to prevent unwanted vehicles from getting too close.

"The home's neighbours, the French embassy and the governor general's residence, seem to be quite happy with the security situation. Security is a challenge but I also think it's a red herring. We have great minds who've dealt with this before and they can do it again," he said.

Other official residences, like the White House in Washington, D.C., are arguably much more exposed to security risks than 24 Sussex, he said.

And other buildings frequented by Trudeau, including ones that Brandt's firm helped design in the parliamentary precinct, are also in more vulnerable urban locations, he said.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/save-24-sussex-new-plan-1.6953440

"We have a number of experts at our disposal and all of them unanimously have said the $36.6 million figure is for the birds," Denhez told CBC News.

 

Wow.  How much for the rats?

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

No we are talking about after 8 years as PM, the house he refused to move into is still junk, so much so they are thinking about dozing it to the ground...it is just more proof that you can't get anything done in this country, under this leader... You don't get a free pass becasue the last PM did not fix it...you are going to get judged for what you did do or did not do. In this case he did not do anything that we know off. 

As you know, the house has been a money pit and in desperate condition for decades.

JT does not own it. No PM owns it. It belongs to, ready for it, the NCC, the National Capital Commission, which is you, with members for every province. They have not made decisions.

As you say "You don't get a free pass because the last PM did not fix it.." and that include every PM since the 50's. If you are going to judge, then you need to judge every PM since the 50's.

Fact is a bureaucracy has let this house become shambles. A bureaucracy that every PM has had to deal with. The same NCC that want to shut down Wellington Street in Ottawa. The same bureaucracy that shut down the Queen Eizabeth parkway to cars so local residents cannot get home but the few bicycles on sundys can ride on it.

Bottom line is JT cannot do anything abut it just as previous PMS could not do anything about it. Don't make this a liberal political thing, it is a Canadian NCC problem.

Oh and, I live in Ottawa and think the NCC is a waste of office space. Lots of people (political appointees) making lots of money but not doing a damn thing.

[PIK]

The media would have went nuts on Harper if he spent money on it. But fix it or tear it down and rebuild. But keep the address. 

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

"You can do a completely modern, super-secure, net-zero carbon emissions addition. It can be a friendly next-door neighbour to the existing building which, as part of our proposal, can be fully restored on this spectacular site."

The guy cares so much about a historic old building he wants to built some kind of Danish modern Ikea version right next to it? No way. I don't mind the idea of an addition, even a separate building. But it has to be a lot more like the current one.

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Security concerns are what's motivating the government to consider other sites for the official residence.

The existing home is relatively close to the street, which poses a risk given the real threats Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already faced while in office.

But Brandt said those risks can be mitigated.

The home's location — atop a cliff and surrounded by water on three sides — is already ideal from a security standpoint, he said.

Yeah, I tend to agree with him. It's a five-acre site. If you think the home is too close to the road then move it further in and change the wrought iron fence for a high wall so no one can see inside. Kind of hard to aim anything then. And I have no idea where they think they're going to find five acres anywhere near Parliament Hill.

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

As you know, the house has been a money pit and in desperate condition for decades.

JT does not own it. No PM owns it. It belongs to, ready for it, the NCC, the National Capital Commission, which is you, with members for every province. They have not made decisions.

As you say "You don't get a free pass because the last PM did not fix it.." and that include every PM since the 50's. If you are going to judge, then you need to judge every PM since the 50's.

Fact is a bureaucracy has let this house become shambles. A bureaucracy that every PM has had to deal with.

No, that's bullshit. Political cowardice has let this house become a shambles. Trudeau is just the latest and biggest political coward of the lot. But Harper wasn't a lot better, nor was Chretien nor Mulroney. They were all too afraid of being criticized for putting government money into a GOVERNMENT HOUSE that they happened to be living in temporarily.

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The guy c....

No, that's bullshit. Political cowardice has let this house become a shambles. Trudeau is just the latest and biggest political coward of the lot. But Harper wasn't a lot better, nor was Chretien nor Mulroney. They were all too afraid of being criticized for putting government money into a GOVERNMENT HOUSE that they happened to be living in temporarily.

Yes but, NCC political cowardice.

JT never even moved in back in 2015. he washed hos hands of it back then and NCC still continued with its decades long waffling.

Here are the latest ones to blame for inaction on 24 Sussex. https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/board-of-directors

They all got some work done on the residence (except JT who never moved in).

So no, it is not bullshit, it is exactly that. No PM did anything substantial, no PM could pressure the NCC and 24 Sussex is a neglected POS because of it;.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes but, NCC political cowardice.

JT never even moved in back in 2015. he washed hos hands of it back then and NCC still continued with its decades long waffling.

Here are the latest ones to blame for inaction on 24 Sussex. https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/board-of-directors

They all got some work done on the residence (except JT who never moved in).

So no, it is not bullshit, it is exactly that. No PM did anything substantial, no PM could pressure the NCC and 24 Sussex is a neglected POS because of it;.

I don't know if you understand how government works in Ottawa, but I promise you if the PM had told the NCC to do something they'd have done it. The PM is basically all-powerful and mandarins leap to obey. Their jobs depend on it. If he had ordered it torn down and a new one built it would have been done by now.

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I don't know if you understand how government works in Ottawa, but I promise you if the PM had told the NCC to do something they'd have done it. The PM is basically all-powerful and mandarins leap to obey. Their jobs depend on it. If he had ordered it torn down and a new one built it would have been done by now.

the Canadian Prime Minister has become required to run against 24 Sussex Drive

the same way American politicians are required to "run against Washington"

already Pierre Poilievre is doing it too

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I don't know if you understand how government works in Ottawa, but I promise you if the PM had told the NCC to do something they'd have done it. The PM is basically all-powerful and mandarins leap to obey. Their jobs depend on it. If he had ordered it torn down and a new one built it would have been done by now.

I know exactly how the government wortk in Ottawa. Live here and was in it.

Evert PM since the 50's has told NCC to fix 244 Sussex and they do whatever they are told, no  more.

Chretien (and his wife) fights with NCC were legendary and the house is still a POS.

OI think it is you that does not understand how bureaucracy works.  The PM is a civil servant, just the the others. He may want but he does not dictate or often, does not get.

No, he cannot just tell the NCC to tear it down. It is a Heritage building and the rules for those are, well, onerous, at best.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

the Canadian Prime Minister has become required to run against 24 Sussex Drive

the same way American politicians are required to "run against Washington"

already Pierre Poilievre is doing it too

What kind of BS are you blowing now??

Stay on topic you loser.

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What kind of BS are you blowing now??

Stay on topic you loser.

it has become an entrenched political paradigm

every Prime Minister now invokes himself as a "Man of the People" by disavowing 24 Sussex Drive

Justin Trudeau has gone so far as to simply not live there at all

but Pierre Poilievre has already started to disavow 24 Sussex Drive even in opposition

Poilievre says renovating, replacing 24 Sussex Drive would be his lowest priority as prime minister

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-poilievre-says-renovating-replacing-24-sussex-drive-would-be-his/

 

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it has become an entrenched political paradigm

every Prime Minister now invokes himself as a "Man of the People" by disavowing 24 Sussex Drive

Justin Trudeau has gone so far as to simply not live there at all

but Pierre Poilievre has already started to disavow 24 Sussex Drive even in opposition

Poilievre says renovating, replacing 24 Sussex Drive would be his lowest priority as prime minister

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-poilievre-says-renovating-replacing-24-sussex-drive-would-be-his/

 

PP is in no position to say anything. He is not the PM an dnot in charge of anything. That and he is living rent free in Stornaway.

Plus, he did not say to tear it down or fix it, just that it would be low on his priority list. Typical, he says nothing again LOL   It is low on Justins list too because 24 Sussex sits empty LOL

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

PP is in no position to say anything. He is not the PM an dnot in charge of anything. That and he is living rent free in Stornaway.

Plus, he did not say to tear it down or fix it, just that it would be low on his priority list. Typical, he says nothing again LOL   It is low on Justins list too because 24 Sussex sits empty LOL

the government can spend exponential amounts of tax dollars on anything

except the military & 24 Sussex Drive

[Dougie93]

On 4/11/2023 at 12:31 PM, BeaverFever said:

24 Sussex, dilapidated MP offices, the RCAF’s VIP fleet of CC-150 Polaris and CC-144 Challenger aircraft… it’s ridiculous how the routine upkeep of these things get politicized. The property management of residences of the PM, GG and Opposition Leader should be placed under an arm’s length agency so that their proper upkeep and maintenance isn’t politicized to the point that they fall into disgraceful disrepair 

what's crazy is that the government spent $600 billion in one year

paying peoples salaries in the lockdown

can you imagine what kind of military that could buy

if  you were allowed to buy it off the shelf ?

a CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier is only $20 billion CAD

an SSN-774 Virginia class fast attack submarine is apparently dirt cheap by Canadian standards

only $5 billion CAD

in just one fiscal year

the GoC suddenly found the extra money to buy 30 CVNs or 120 SSNs

if you spread that across the entire militasry

Canada has enough spare cash to be a regional Superpower to rival the UK & France

you wouldn't even need to beg the Americans to sell you nuclear submarines

for that kind of money you could easily design & build your own SSN's as a side project

for that kind of money, HMCS Bonaventure would be a CVN flagship

flanked by two LHA's, HMCS Juno & HMCS Vimy

you wouldn't even be able to spend all that money on DND

you'd have to buy some Polar Class 1 nuclear powered icebreakers for the Coast Guard too

the only thing constraining Canada is culture

Canada has the culture of a colony

even tho Canada has the cash flow of a great power on hand

Canada would never presume to spend that money on power

Canada would rather spend that money paying the colonists to stay home & sit on their asses

so you see how Canada will never aspire to greatness therein

Canada's proclivity to tear itself down, is pathological

it has nothing to do with resources, it is only in the mind of Canada

literally $600 billion in spare cash, not in the budget

and Canada spent it on welfare cheques for persons who were actually employed

hence why I am not a Canadian Nationalist anymore ; fool's errand

Edited September 2, 2023 by Dougie93

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

the government can spend exponential amounts of tax dollars on anything

except the military & 24 Sussex Drive

When you know what you are talking about, post, when you don't, like now, stay off. Loser

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

what's crazy is that the government spent $600 billion in one year

paying peoples salaries in the lockdown

.....

Stay on topic Loser.

The government tells people to stay home, they get paid.

During COVID, many people, government and others got paid.

Right now, people that were told to get out or stay home because of the fires are getting paid.

Before you post, get real information Loser.