On the subject of Bud Lite

[Moonbox]

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So your argument is that i'm right but you aren't happy about it and want me to somehow still be a bad person.

Well there you go  

No, my argument is that you made a good point about numbers, but then your characterization of “typical libbies” is ironic given how allergic you tend to be about providing your own numbers and references.  

Nice projection again though.  ?
 

 

 

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I don't think I've ever seen a woman order a Bud Lite at a bar

The wife worked at the bar for years, Bud Lite in bottles. But most women customer didn't order beers at the bar. Just look at what they walk out of the Beer Store carrying, that's been one of the most popular.

So they tried and it didn't work. So what? Stupid reason to not buy a product that you like. Not like they're using child labour or testing it on rabbit's eyes. It's just marketing, some agency's not gonna be rehired.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

No, my argument is that you made a good point about numbers, but then your characterization of “typical libbies” is ironic given how allergic you tend to be about providing your own numbers and references.

 

You didn't say anything about my position on numbers. You referred to echo chambers and partisanship. 

 LOL - you realized you effed up again didn't you Now you're trying to change it   LOLOL

I don't know whats with your little "Fox-makes-us-cry" support group today but exflyer can't think his way out of a paper bag and i'm getting this low level crap from you.  I mean, you're never smart but you're usually not THIS stupid. I expect this out of eyeball and robosmith but at least you're a LITTLE entertaining.

Try and step it up

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by CdnFox

[Moonbox]

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You didn't say anything about my position on numbers. You referred to echo chambers and partisanship. 

I'm saying it's retarded for you of all people to criticize anyone, or any group, for their lack of empirical/academic evidence, when you're so allergic to providing your own when asked.  I'm still waiting for those estimates on food inflation, if you recall...

 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

So they tried and it didn't work. So what? Stupid reason to not buy a product that you like. Not like they're using child labour or testing it on rabbit's eyes. It's just marketing, some agency's not gonna be rehired.

Sure, it's stupid, but then I wouldn't say the folks buying/drinking Bud Lite in large quantities generally profile as exceptional academics, would you?

They tried something dumb, and it didn't work because it was dumb.  Whether or not the the backlash was intellectually sound isn't the point.  

[herbie]

I wouldn't link drinking that to their IQ, only their lack of taste. After all the best selling burger in N America's a Big Mac, and look at the sugary crap most people think is great Chinese Food.

Like I said, drink the p1sswater from Ann Hauser's bush?

Edited July 11, 2023 by herbie

[Moonbox]

We’re all generalizing here, but I highly doubt the profile for the archetypal bud lite drinker was millennial/genZ post grads, okay?  

[impartialobserver]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

I wouldn't link drinking that to their IQ, only their lack of taste. After all the best selling burger in N America's a Big Mac, and look at the sugary crap most people think is great Chinese Food.

Like I said, drink the p1sswater from Ann Hauser's bush?

When I made my first trip to CA in 2007.. everyone told me that if I did one thing.. I had to go to In-n-out. So we went to one in Salinas, CA. It was good but nothing amazing. The fries are inedible if you do not consumer them almost immediately. There is one about 2 miles from my house in Sparks, NV. It has a line around the block every day it is open. Honestly.. it is not all that different from what you find at McD's or Burger King. 

[herbie]

Once visiting Seattle in the 1970s I ordered a Coors. The bartender loudly said "A Coors?" and a half dozen customers piled in and yelled that it was a Union town and they drank Union beer.
Avoiding a punch up I pulled out my union card, told them I had no idea Coors was scab beer. All of them went 'Oh - he's a Canuck' and sat me down and bought me a jug. Don't remember, I think it was Rainier. Their TV ads were a motorcycle whizzing by and a voiceover RAINNN EEEER BEEER in those days.

 I did find some damn good brews on the US West Coast, the weren't the major labels though. Weinhart or something like that? Haven't been to the US in 30 years...  but I will be visiting Hyder Alaska this summer, it's walking distance from my stepdaughter's home.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

When I made my first trip to CA in 2007.. everyone told me that if I did one thing.. I had to go to In-n-out. So we went to one in Salinas, CA. It was good but nothing amazing.

Actually i was in LA about that time and went through the same thing - "MUST go to in-n-out",  good enough but nothing to get all that worked up about

[impartialobserver]

When there was kneeling in the NFL, the conservatives were up in arms. They were boycotting the NFL and as a result... the NFL was going to die and cease operations. Well.. has the NFL died? No. Have ratings recovered? Yes. In stadium attendance has not but that is due to exorbitant prices. Have attended two NFL games and only did so because someone sold them on Craigslist for bargain basement prices ($40 and $55 respectively). I am a die hard sports fan but there is a zero percent chance that I am paying $300 to go to an NFL game. The point is that while In-Bev is hurting now.. people have short memories and this will blow over. 

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

 ... people have short memories and this will blow over. 

I am waiting to see how far the idea of 'boycotting' goes, myself.

"I don't like that you put a trans person on the can" and "I don't like Aunt Jemima on the box" are essentially morality and community identity questions.  Although I *still* find it weird that corporate brands are now THE forum for such discussions, I still follow the discussions.

If we have Colin Kaepernick on the Uncle Ben's box in a dress to sell in the cities and a guy in camo beating the sh*t out of a hippie on the Bud can to sell in the country then everybody is happy... and stupid.... right ?

Actual matters of morality and identity can be discussed and should be.  But one-sided discussions go nowhere.
 

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I am waiting to see how far the idea of 'boycotting' goes, myself.

Just watch Twitter's implosion unfold.  

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

When there was kneeling in the NFL, the conservatives were up in arms. They were boycotting the NFL and as a result... the NFL was going to die and cease operations. Well.. has the NFL died? No. Have ratings recovered? Yes. In stadium attendance has not but that is due to exorbitant prices. Have attended two NFL games and only did so because someone sold them on Craigslist for bargain basement prices ($40 and $55 respectively). I am a die hard sports fan but there is a zero percent chance that I am paying $300 to go to an NFL game. The point is that while In-Bev is hurting now.. people have short memories and this will blow over. 

That does not seem to be the case in inBev's situation. If anything it's getting worse and has spread to their other brands.

There is only one NFL. So people tend to go back to it once they cool off - but even then they've taken a serious hit costing hundreds of millions that they can't get back and they won't soon forget it.  They backed down pretty fast on the 'force players to wear gay pride' stuff you'll notice.

But in InBev's case there are other beers. And their damage seems to be permanent.  They may one day find a way to rebuild their brand but they slipped from number one to something like number 14 now, and that's  dozens of billions per year they're going to lose.

 

[impartialobserver]

At least in NV, AB-Inbev sales have mostly recovered. Alcohol sales to non-tourists are down. The younger generation is drinking less. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

At least in NV, AB-Inbev sales have mostly recovered. Alcohol sales to non-tourists are down. The younger generation is drinking less. 

Mostly were covered in one state. Mostly.   so what is that, like over a hundred billion dollar slap in the face for getting woke they're still not at 100%. And their future market isn't as interested in their product?

That's got to hurt him

[impartialobserver]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Mostly were covered in one state. Mostly.   so what is that, like over a hundred billion dollar slap in the face for getting woke they're still not at 100%. And their future market isn't as interested in their product?

That's got to hurt him

The future market is not interested in them because of perception that it is unhealthy. It has nothing to do with the politics. AB-InBev's sales are at 98.4% of their pre-Dylan days in NV with most of the decline being in the North. In LV.. more than recovered. So in short, it was not the end for Bud Light. Folks have a short memory. 

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The future market is not interested in them because of perception that it is unhealthy. It has nothing to do with the politics.

Nonsense. People tend to follow trends and it's become less popular to drink beer. Having it embroiled in controversy and having people turn away for it definitely plays a role. There is a domino effect to these things, if nobody is drinking beer because they are protesting something been very quickly people realize nobody's drinking beer and nobody drinks beer just because nobody is drinking beer and that trend continues long after the political reasons are gone. 

There is simply no way to sugarcoat it. They took a massive and permanent hit over this that has cost billions and billions and billions of dollars. And will probably have permanent long-term effects directly at indirectly. That is the reality

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nonsense. People tend to follow trends and it's become less popular to drink beer.

Research says the trend is based on the perception that it is unhealthy. It is viewed in the same light as smoking cigarettes in some circles. Their lack of drinking beer is not an act of protest. If it was... it would not have more than recovered in LV.

Yes, it is a bit of a feedback loop. If Joe is not drinking then I do not. Because I am not.. then Jane is not and so on. The data does not back up your theory that the reason for the younger generations lack of consumption is an act of protest. As for the older generation, they have (at least in NV) mostly forgot about it. My guess is that by the end of 2025.. sales will have exceeded pre-Dylan levels. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Research says the trend is based on the perception that it is unhealthy. It is viewed in the same light as smoking cigarettes in some circles. Their lack of drinking beer is not an act of protest. If it was... it would not have more than recovered in LV.

People need smoking was unhealthy for an awfully long time before it declined substantially. What happened is that it became socially unacceptable to smoke, so people stopped and new people didn't start

  the research can say whatever it wants but at the end of the day nobody thinks they're going to die from drinking a few beers. 

And as I said protests can lead into permanent behavioral changes that have nothing to do with protest anymore. That's always the danger and to be honest Bud Light recognized that early on noting that if people change from their brand to something else they may never change back once they get used to it.

Negative sentiment towards beer leads to fewer people drinking leads to even fewer people drinking and a downward trend

 and it still doesn't change the facts that many many billions of dollars were lost over this and there will probably never be a full recovery to where they would have been had it not happened

[impartialobserver]

Just now, CdnFox said:

People need smoking was unhealthy for an awfully long time before it declined substantially. What happened is that it became socially unacceptable to smoke, so people stopped and new people didn't start

  the research can say whatever it wants but at the end of the day nobody thinks they're going to die from drinking a few beers. 

And as I said protests can lead into permanent behavioral changes that have nothing to do with protest anymore. That's always the danger and to be honest Bud Light recognized that early on noting that if people change from their brand to something else they may never change back once they get used to it.

Negative sentiment towards beer leads to fewer people drinking leads to even fewer people drinking and a downward trend

 and it still doesn't change the facts that many many billions of dollars were lost over this and there will probably never be a full recovery to where they would have been had it not happened

It is becoming socially unacceptable to drink among the younger generations. Past younger generations drank heavily and as they aged, they eased up. Today's 16 to 24 year olds are drinking at a rate of less than 50% of the past iterations of that age group. Why? Because they hear story after story about how continued consumption leads to problem x, y, and z.  I saw this first hand when I went to a rock concert a month ago. The only folks really drinking it up were the visibly older ones. When I asked the bartender about this.. he said that is why they stopped having beer on tap. 

The behavioral changes were in play before Dylan and have continued. Sales data shows that folks have mostly moved on. Mostly.. is a tricky word though. Why they are only at 98.4% of March 2023 sales is not something that you can put in a database. The 1.6% decline could be due to a myriad of other factors. However, in Clark and Nye counties.. their sales are at 101.5% of March 2023 sales. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

It is becoming socially unacceptable to drink among the younger generations. Past younger generations drank heavily and as they aged, they eased up. Today's 16 to 24 year olds are drinking at a rate of less than 50% of the past iterations of that age group. Why? Because they hear story after story about how continued consumption leads to problem x, y, and z.  I saw this first hand when I went to a rock concert a month ago. The only folks really drinking it up were the visibly older ones. When I asked the bartender about this.. he said that is why they stopped having beer on tap. 

The behavioral changes were in play before Dylan and have continued. Sales data shows that folks have mostly moved on. Mostly.. is a tricky word though. Why they are only at 98.4% of March 2023 sales is not something that you can put in a database. The 1.6% decline could be due to a myriad of other factors. However, in Clark and Nye counties.. their sales are at 101.5% of March 2023 sales. 

 believe what you like. But you just not being real if you don't think that had an impact on that industry.

And if you take a look at their climbing sales prior to that incident going up 1% in 2 years is nothing short of a disaster

[Aristides]

Swill that won't be missed, along with every other Budweiser product.

[herbie]

Won't be buying or drinking any beer with an American brand name, even if it's made here. Buy a Mexican one if I has to.
Lobby to bring back Black Label, 50, O'Keefe's, Otherwise, it's Fish (Kokanee)