Womens tears are making politics - and society - more feminine.

[TreeBeard]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The Avengers are dying as a franchise

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Avengers#tab=summary
 

Based on the numbers, they just keep making more and more money at the box office With each successive movie.    So, what do you base your assertion on?

Edited April 9, 2023 by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

15 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Women have always been represented in media, but mostly according to gender roles. When Captain Marvel came out, a lot of conservatives were mad, saying that now the MCU is "woke." 

What the hell are you talking about - Captain Marvel was ALWAYS a woman. And then her powers got stolen - BY A WOMAN. Rogue specifically.

I read these comics as a kid - Captain marvel has been a woman for about 40 years now. So why exactly would 'conservatives' care if she's played as a woman? It's like saying they're mad that wonder woman was played by a woman.

Captain Marvel is Monica Rambeau. Created by Roger Stern and John Romita Jr., the character first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man Annual#16 (October 1982)

1982 - but they were FURIOUS when the movie came out FORTY YEARS LATER were they? Bit of a delayed reaction wouldn't you say?

And here we see the left lying again to try to make a point.

 

Edited April 9, 2023 by CdnFox

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Black Widow

$380M at the box office.  
 

Your definition of “bombed” needs a lot of refining.  

[CdnFox]

15 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

First, if there is still a backlash to women being superheroes, we obviously still have a long way to go.

There isn't. THere's been hugely popular female super heros for ever.  Wonder Woman. Storm. Kitty from the xmen. Rogue ,Black cat, Jubliee, the list is endless.

What there is a backlash about is forcing women into a story when it makes no  sense or adds nothing JUST for the sake of it being a woman. IF it makes the story worse instead of better then it's just bad writing period, and often that's exactly what happens when you try to shoe-horn a woke agenda into a story.

That's why disney started to lose a craptonne of money - and learned not to do that. Female characters are great, and in a lot of cases the character being female is the same as a male or better. THat's fine, everyone loves that. BUt we can all tell when a good story got crappy because a bunch of sexist freaks demanded that a character be overwritten to meet a gender ideology.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Avengers#tab=summary
 

Based on the numbers, they just keep making more and more money at the box office With each successive movie.    So, what do you base your assertion on?

The Avengers is not merely the title of a few movies. It's a whole franchise containing everything from Superman to Spiderman to Thor.

https://www.wionews.com/entertainment/hollywood/news-mcu-had-a-terrible-2022-what-went-wrong-540467

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

$380M at the box office.  
 

Your definition of “bombed” needs a lot of refining.  

Your understanding of what it costs to make and then distribute and advertise these movies needs more... knowledge.

The worldwide gross for Black Widow across all markets is some $375,474,179. That’s just short of its two-times production budget for starters. In relative terms, Black Widow had the highest domestic monthly earnings (including the biggest Fri-Sun debut) since Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker ($173 million) in December 2019.

Granted these are reasonable numbers for a film limping through the Autumn of a global pandemic – but they still don’t stack up. With second-weekend earnings seeing a 69% plunge – almost unheard of for a Marvel film.

https://bombreport.com/black-widow/

Edited April 10, 2023 by I am Groot

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

What the hell are you talking about - Captain Marvel was ALWAYS a woman. And then her powers got stolen - BY A WOMAN. Rogue specifically.

Not the point. Conservatives were mad that after like twenty movies, the MCU finally had a movie where the main hero is a woman. They said that the MCU went WOKE!

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It's a whole franchise containing everything from Superman to Spiderman to Thor.

Well..... maybe not superman   But spidey, thor, iron man, black widow, black panther, hawkeye etc etc etc

[CdnFox]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

Not the point. Conservatives were mad that after like twenty movies, the MCU finally had a movie where the main hero is a woman. They said that the MCU went WOKE!

ROFLMAO - NO THEY WERE NOT!   They would have been mad if she HADN'T been a woman. Captain marvel was a woman Why don't you post where all these "conservatives" are "upset" about the female character Captian Marvel being played by a female.   

LOL - well you really screwed that up didn't you  -  just when i think you can't make yourself look worse...

 

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Female superheroes have bombed at the box office. Be it a female Captain America, Catwoman, Supergirl, or Black Widow. Not because they're female, per se, but because the woke iliberals pushing them have the subtlety of a rhino and turn people off when they insist on shoving stuff into peoples faces. Disney created a female superhero whose main power seems to be she's Muslim and its ratings suck.

Booooooollllsheeeeeet.

There have been both successful and unsuccessful comic book movies with female leads, and the exact same applies to comic book movies with male leads.

However, there is a sizable segment of the population that refuses to watch a movie that has a woman superhero because that goes against traditional gender roles. So we do still have some work to do when it comes to representation.

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Avengers are dying as a franchise, and all the wokeness Disney is pushing is one of the major causes. 

And by "wokeness" you mean that more of the women heroes are getting more attention now, right?

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm pretty su re it costs more to have them in regular classes when they have to have their own TA with them and where their presence and behavior winds up distracting and slowing down the class.

The alternative would be building additional rooms for these kids.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

However, there is a sizable segment of the population that refuses to watch a movie that has a woman superhero because that goes against traditional gender roles. So we do still have some work to do when it comes to representation.

Name 5.

There is NO segment that refuses to watch a woman superhero movie. Since the 70's there have been any number of very successful tv and movie shows with not only female leads but female characters.  Wonder woman. Bionic woman, Avengers (original),  Dr Quinn.  etc etc etc. Tonnes of leads and co stars etc.

Anybody under the age of about 65 grew up with this as being normal.

But again - please, post where these hordes of conservatives were utterly furious that they might have to watch a movie with a sexy female lead, especially one wearing spandex or other skin tight outfit.  Everyone knows males hate that.

[TreeBeard]

24 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The Avengers is not merely the title of a few movies. It's a whole franchise containing everything from Superman to Spiderman to Thor.

https://www.wionews.com/entertainment/hollywood/news-mcu-had-a-terrible-2022-what-went-wrong-540467

You don’t even know which movies are in the franchise!   LOL

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Give them time. They will. Frozen was their first effort. Those girls were not originally written to be sisters.

And if they did make a movie where two princesses get married, would that be wrong? Would that be GROOMING or INDOCTRINATION?

[Americana Antifa]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope, didn't really have time when it was out and haven't bothered since.

But i'm glad your mommie had time to take you to see it, was it your birthday or .....

You should, it's one of the best depictions of the Joker ever. Plus, you get to see that you're alone in your fight against civil liberties.

[Americana Antifa]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes because you Libbies don't know where to stop. You always go way to far.

Do you have any examples of going too far when it comes to destigmatizing disabilities?

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

What there is a backlash about is forcing women into a story when it makes no  sense or adds nothing JUST for the sake of it being a woman. IF it makes the story worse instead of better then it's just bad writing period, and often that's exactly what happens when you try to shoe-horn a woke agenda into a story.

Conservatives say that literally any time one of the main heroes is a woman.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You should, it's one of the best depictions of the Joker ever. Plus, you get to see that you're alone in your fight against civil liberties.

Oh you're more than enough of a joke for me to watch

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Conservatives say that literally any time one of the main heroes is a woman.

Nope - hardly say it ever.  There's been craptonnes of movies out with strong women leads and characters and most of the time it just makes sense. It's written that way.

But what happens when you shoe-horn anything at all into a movie just because the producers want to look woke is the story winds up taking the hit. it doesn't feel right, doesn't make sense etc.  And the story gets ruined and that's what people don't like.

Sometimes you can get away with it.  A Black nick fury is a little iffy if you know fury's history - but it's not that bad a fit and he played the character so well that kids that didn't grow up with the comics and don't know the original backstory of being a ww2 soldier would likely find it weird if they switched it to a white guy now and want it put back the 'way it was originally'. 

But most of the time it just makes for shitty story writing.  And leftists think that people don't go to the movies for a good story, they think we go to see woke memes on screen.  We don't. The correct answer was 'for a good movie'.

Which is why people are getting sick of the 'woke'.  And why when you go woke you go broke.

[Americana Antifa]

11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Wow you’re in a bubble.  What about the Durham Report that explains how almost all of the Hillary Camp’s attempts to smear the Trump campaign through the accusations of Russian collusion were false?

That's not authoritarian, that's just oppo research. Also, the accusations weren't false. Russia contacted people on Trump's team asking if they want help in the 2016 election and Trump's team accepted.

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How about the attacks on JK Rowling and countless other authors?

OMG! Do you know what authoritarianism is? It involves the government taking away freedom. Authoritarianism is NOT when people boycott Rowling for being a piece of shit.

This is what happens when you only watch right-wing media. They're brainwashing you into thinking it's "authoritarian" to not agree with the Right. Meanwhile, they're doing actual authoritarianism in the form of ending democracy and freedom of speech.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to end freedoms like the Republicans do. Not examples of boycotts or teaching kids that gay people exist, but actual laws or attempts at stealing elections.

This is actual fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's not authoritarian, that's just oppo research. Also, the accusations weren't false. Russia contacted people on Trump's team asking if they want help in the 2016 election and Trump's team accepted.

ohhh myyyy god.... after 3 years with close to 70 agents working on it full time concluded there was no collusion there are STILL people pretending that there was 'russian collusion'?!?!   

this level of self delusion is absolutely on par with flat earthers   There's a lot you can say about trump but the idea of 'russian collusion' is even LESS sane than 'I actually won the election".  (mind you hillary is still saying that about 2016)

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's not authoritarian, that's just oppo research. Also, the accusations weren't false. Russia contacted people on Trump's team asking if they want help in the 2016 election and Trump's team accepted.

OMG! Do you know what authoritarianism is? It involves the government taking away freedom. Authoritarianism is NOT when people boycott Rowling for being a piece of shit.

This is what happens when you only watch right-wing media. They're brainwashing you into thinking it's "authoritarian" to not agree with the Right. Meanwhile, they're doing actual authoritarianism in the form of ending democracy and freedom of speech.

Give me some examples of Democrats trying to end freedoms like the Republicans do. Not examples of boycotts or teaching kids that gay people exist, but actual laws or attempts at stealing elections.

This is actual fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

Yes totalitarianism, like what Trudeau did to protesters in the Freedom Convoy.  Biden’s regime of course has censored government criticism in social media, calling it misinformation.  There’s so much censorship of criticism during Covid and now on Ukraine that it’s laughable to pretend otherwise.  Your denial is so deep.  Get your head out of Don Lemon’s arse.  

Edited April 10, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

22 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes totalitarianism, like what Trudeau did to protesters in the Freedom Convoy.  

What did he do that you think is totalitarian?

Please understand that words have meanings. A "totalitarian" policy is not just a policy you disagree with.

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Biden’s regime of course has censored government criticism in social media, calling it misinformation.  There’s so much censorship of criticism during Covid and now on Ukraine that it’s laughable to pretend otherwise.

Do you have any evidence of that?

I have actual evidence that the Trump admin tried to do this, but I haven't seen any evidence that the Biden admin did so.  

 

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nope - hardly say it ever.  There's been craptonnes of movies out with strong women leads and characters and most of the time it just makes sense. It's written that way.