Something bigger than indictments that Trump should be worried about

[NYLefty]

Ummm, if anyone else hasn't noticed Trump's rallying cries are going unanswered, not a single protest or act of violence anywhere. Right wing forums and social media all pretty silent about Trump's calls to stand up?  Could it be the giant orange fart cushion has finally blown it's load with the people???

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

Ummm, if anyone else hasn't noticed Trump's rallying cries are going unanswered, not a single protest or act of violence anywhere. Right wing forums and social media all pretty silent about Trump's calls to stand up?  Could it be the giant orange fart cushion has finally blown it's load with the people???

Or that they feel he will not be formally charged. That they know they're under the microscope. That this is one of the few things that have galvanized republicans, and likely did to his base as well.

If he gets off with no charges or jail, he can still run for president, and many of his supporters know that they can be loud with their votes, vs their rioting.

[Guest]

If you haven't learned a thing from Trump, is that underestimating him is a grave mistake.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

If you haven't learned a thing from Trump, is that underestimating him is a grave mistake.

Just the once, right?  2016.

Since then he's just lost and lost.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Just the once, right?  2016.

Since then he's just lost and lost.

No, he's won quite a bit. No russian interference, no successful impeachment. No criminal charges for a dozen things the dems SWORE he'd be charged on like the classified docs, etc.

He's won and won and won.

But - nobody wins forever. Not even spider man.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Or that they feel he will not be formally charged. That they know they're under the microscope. That this is one of the few things that have galvanized republicans, and likely did to his base as well.

If he gets off with no charges or jail, he can still run for president, and many of his supporters know that they can be loud with their votes, vs their rioting.

To be honest, i think it's got more to do with nobody really caring about this.  Most of the other things were political and he could really sell the 'evil dems corrupting the system' thing and people got worked up. But - it's like "yeah, you banged a hooker outside of politics and did bad tax things - you deal with that".

I also don't think they believe he'll lose.  Or that he'll go to jail if he does.

So it just doesn't have the emotional investment

I think republicans will say "well it's just trump haters trumping up trump charges - we'll let him beat them and stay out of it".  If he loses that's not great for him and if he wins they can say 'well sure, we knew it was all bullcrap, that's dems for ya". and then it becomes a selling point.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, he's won quite a bit. No russian interference, no successful impeachment. No criminal charges for a dozen things the dems SWORE he'd be charged on like the classified docs, etc.

He's won and won and won.

But - nobody wins forever. Not even spider man.

I guess we just have different ideas as to what a loser is.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I guess we just have different ideas as to what a loser is.

quite possibly, but it sounds more like we disagree on what winning is. Trump wins a lot.

Aside from the last election he tends to win just about every fight. Some of the people around him lose, but he's pretty teflon.

We'll see if this time he wins or loses. The charges are a little flimsy, and if he beats them and walks away it may very well improve his standing. If he loses, we'll see. If he does any jail time i think that's over for him. If he just pays a fine and moves on then if anything he'll turn it into publicity that's positive.

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

quite possibly, but it sounds more like we disagree on what winning is. Trump wins a lot.

Aside from the last election he tends to win just about every fight. Some of the people around him lose, but he's pretty teflon.

We'll see if this time he wins or loses. The charges are a little flimsy, and if he beats them and walks away it may very well improve his standing. If he loses, we'll see. If he does any jail time i think that's over for him. If he just pays a fine and moves on then if anything he'll turn it into publicity that's positive.

What charges? We won't see them until Tuesday.

[NYLefty]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

quite possibly, but it sounds more like we disagree on what winning is. Trump wins a lot.

Aside from the last election he tends to win just about every fight. Some of the people around him lose, but he's pretty teflon.

We'll see if this time he wins or loses. The charges are a little flimsy, and if he beats them and walks away it may very well improve his standing. If he loses, we'll see. If he does any jail time i think that's over for him. If he just pays a fine and moves on then if anything he'll turn it into publicity that's positive.

Yea Trump winning, like he did for the GOP in the midterms red wave thingy? not to mention 2020. Not to mention losing in court 60 times with judges he appointed with that election fraud Blabber of his. Yea real winner there. 

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What charges? We won't see them until Tuesday.

We'll see the details and there can always be a surprise but based on what's been leaked so far we know it's involving the 'creative bookkeeping' around the stormy daniels payout, which means there's only a few angles they can come at it as. The election financing ones are extremely weak tea. There is a possibility somehow they've got some sort of perjury charge but that would be the only thing with much meat on it where he might actually go to jail for more than the afternoon.

We'll see.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

Yea Trump winning, like he did for the GOP in the midterms red wave thingy?

Did he run in the midterm "thingie?"  No? LOL - c'mon, at least make it challenging

 

5 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

 

not to mention 2020.

You mean the election that i mentioned? You're not very good at this are you.

5 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

Not to mention losing in court 60 times with judges he appointed with that election fraud Blabber of his. Yea real winner there. 

Which 60 cases did trump himself lose?

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

quite possibly, but it sounds more like we disagree on what winning is. Trump wins a lot.

Aside from the last election he tends to win just about every fight. Some of the people around him lose, but he's pretty teflon.

We'll see if this time he wins or loses. The charges are a little flimsy, and if he beats them and walks away it may very well improve his standing. If he loses, we'll see. If he does any jail time i think that's over for him. If he just pays a fine and moves on then if anything he'll turn it into publicity that's positive.

I don't regard being impeached twice as winning.  Even if the Republicans managed to save his arse.  He was responsible for losing them seats in 2018, losing the election in 2020, and reducing what should have been a landslide in both the chambers to a loss in the Senate and a much smaller than expected majority in the House.

He's also looking at indictments in at least three other cases.

We do, most certainly, disagree on what winning is.

Edit>  I just looked back at your previous post, in response to NYLefty.  It confirms what I said there, if you think those losses were not down to Trump.

Edited April 2, 2023 by bcsapper

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Just the once, right?  2016.

Since then he's just lost and lost.

It's a bit more complicated. The reason he lost in 2020 was because he failed to handle covid. Chances are, there's not going to be another once in a lifetime issue like covid in 2024. And yeah, the Republicans got their cheeks clapped in the midterms, but that's because trumpian voters only care about personality. Trump can mobilize them, whereas people like Herschel Walker, Dr Oz, and Kari Lake can't. They don't have the entertaining personality that Trump has. I'm not saying Trump will definitely win in 2024, but don't write him off.

And as far as the crimes go, this is still capitalist America. The rich and powerful very rarely face justice.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I don't regard being impeached twice as winning.  Even if the Republicans managed to save his arse.

Well in the end he did win tho. they failed. Their goal was to have him gone - he wasn't.

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

  He was responsible for losing them seats in 2018,

Meh - just about every president does.  But - as i did note people around him may take hits but he doesn't as a rule.

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

losing the election in 2020,

Sure - and i mentioned that.

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

and reducing what should have been a landslide in both the chambers to a loss in the Senate and a much smaller than expected majority in the House.

I think that had more to do with the absolute nutbar candidates they fielded.  But either way - again, not HIS loss.

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

He's also looking at indictments in at least three other cases.

He's been looking at indictments since he was elected. It was russian collusion then it was going to be over issues in ukraine, then it was going to be this and that and everything from obstruction of justice to collusion, blah blah blah blah.  But - he pretty much always wins.  And he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

I don't much like the guy and as a person he's what i'd refer to as 'bad casting', but the fact is the guy is under constant attack and threat of criminal charges and has been for years and he makes al capone look sticky.  He wins a lot and it is not wise to underestimate his ability to do so.

I don't have much faith that they'll nail him with anything of substance here. We'll see.

 

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

We do, most certainly, disagree on what winning is.

Yeah - i think its when you win

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Edit>  I just looked back at your previous post, in response to NYLefty.  It confirms what I said there, if you think those losses were not down to Trump.

I think those losses weren't trump losing.  I said right off the bat people around him frequently don't win, but he tends to.  Those loses did nothing to hurt him personally.

Meanwhile he got his way on lots of trade deals, he pretty much got his way in office, The guy wins a lot.

We'll see if he does here.

[Aristides]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We'll see the details and there can always be a surprise but based on what's been leaked so far we know it's involving the 'creative bookkeeping' around the stormy daniels payout, which means there's only a few angles they can come at it as. The election financing ones are extremely weak tea. There is a possibility somehow they've got some sort of perjury charge but that would be the only thing with much meat on it where he might actually go to jail for more than the afternoon.

We'll see.

There are 34 charges and some of them could involve tax fraud. Remember, he was forced to release his tax returns last fall. For instance, if he claimed the Daniels payout as a business expense that would be fraud.

I think Tuesday could be very interesting. We’ll see.

[bush_cheney2004]

President Trump did far better in the 2018 mid-terms than President Obama did in 2010...most sitting presidents "lose" House and Senate seats to the opposition party.    The GOP actually gained 2 Senate seats, increasing from 51 to 53 and this would be critical to Trump (and Sen. McConnell) going forward (e.g. Supreme Court confirmation). 

Whether winning or losing, Donald Trump remains a primary focus of media attention...even in Canada...and to Trump, that is always winning.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - i think its when you win

Yeah, me too.

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We'll see if he does here.

I'm not a gambler, but if I did have money to put on the 2024 election, I wouldn't put it on Trump.   He's been exposed as a pathetic crybaby since the 2020 election.  Nothing can shake his cult, of course, but as I've said many times, I have too much respect for Americans to believe that cult has actually grown.

That said, Biden could drop dead next week. 

Edited April 2, 2023 by bcsapper

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's a bit more complicated. The reason he lost in 2020 was because he failed to handle covid. Chances are, there's not going to be another once in a lifetime issue like covid in 2024. And yeah, the Republicans got their cheeks clapped in the midterms, but that's because trumpian voters only care about personality. Trump can mobilize them, whereas people like Herschel Walker, Dr Oz, and Kari Lake can't. They don't have the entertaining personality that Trump has. I'm not saying Trump will definitely win in 2024, but don't write him off.

And as far as the crimes go, this is still capitalist America. The rich and powerful very rarely face justice.

I think the reason he lost in 2020 was because he was elected in 2016.  People got to know him. 

Herschel Walker, Dr Oz, and Kari Lake were Trump's choices, in some cases so bad that the Dems campaigned for them. 

I agree that anything can happen.  As I said above, if I gambled, I would not put more money than I can afford to lose on my prediction for 2024.

But where's the arguing in that?

Edited April 2, 2023 by bcsapper

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We'll see the details and there can always be a surprise but based on what's been leaked so far we know it's involving the 'creative bookkeeping' around the stormy daniels payout, which means there's only a few angles they can come at it as. The election financing ones are extremely weak tea. There is a possibility somehow they've got some sort of perjury charge but that would be the only thing with much meat on it where he might actually go to jail for more than the afternoon.

We'll see.

Which reminds me. Only Bragg and the grand jurors know the charges. Not even the Trump legal team have seen the charges yet. So who leaked the information that there are over 30 charges?

Ya know...leaking that information happens to be a crime.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, NYLefty said:

Ummm, if anyone else hasn't noticed Trump's rallying cries are going unanswered, not a single protest or act of violence anywhere. 

I think that the Dems' path to victory here is to incite widespread violence. They've been laying the groundwork for years.

All of the baseless accusations of widespread white nationalist terrorism, the constant slandering of white men and Republicans as misogynists & racists, the gaslighting, forcing people to watch the destruction of communities while the Dems egg it on (through violent riots, unchecked illegal immigration and the dedication to freeing violent criminals), etc. 

I think they know that the US is one bogus guilty verdict away from chaos. Or at least they're hoping so.

Not violence on a level where the government is in danger of actually being overrun, just enough violence so that, like with Jan 6th, they can play it up like it was "the worst thing since WWII" and increase their stranglehold over the MSM and DOJ even more. 

The Dems clearly have an agenda to get their corrupt FBI to grow like a cancer and replace functional, apolitical police forces around the country. No good dictatorship can operate without a strong KGB/FBI-type of federal police force, and there just aren't enough of them right now for the Dems' liking. 

Edited April 2, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Legato]

Where's Optimus Prime when you need him to carry the fight to the Decepticons. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

There are 34 charges and some of them could involve tax fraud. Remember, he was forced to release his tax returns last fall. For instance, if he claimed the Daniels payout as a business expense that would be fraud.

Would it tho? He could make an argument that the leak of information would have hurt his business. He's often said again and again that his very name is a significant asset in his business.

This is what i'm saying - it's really thin.  You MIGHT get something but its like the 'obstruction' charges that everyone who didn't like trump SWORE were legit charges, but it turned out they just weren't.

Now maybe there's enough to nail him with something but it's not where i'd want to put all my money.

And the number of charges don't really matter.

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I think Tuesday could be very interesting. We’ll see.

Oh i think the whole drama is going to be interesting and probably highly amusing   One thing you have to say about trump, he always manages to keep things entertaining !

[Aristides]

Big assumption considering we haven't seen any of the charges. This is all based on media assumptions and last I heard, they weren't admissible in court. The only opinion that counts is a jury's.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, me too.

I'm not a gambler, but if I did have money to put on the 2024 election, I wouldn't put it on Trump.   He's been exposed as a pathetic crybaby since the 2020 election. 

Well i certainly wouldn't put it AGAINST him either.  I mean - we heard all this in 2016 - there's no WAY he could win right? Right? People were adamant - comedians BEGGED him to run JUST SO THEY COULD LAUGH WHEN HE FAILED. Except.. that's not how it went.

I would like to think he's on his last legs but to be honest he still commands a hell of a lot of excitement and loyalty out there. It would not surprise me if he wins the nomination that he wins the election.

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Nothing can shake his cult, of course, but as I've said many times, I have too much respect for Americans to believe that cult has actually grown.

It sounds like your own bias and hatred seems to be getting in the way.  If what you were saying was true he wouldn't have won the first time. He does have the ability to convince people that he's a good choice.  Suggesting that it's a 'respect' issue or the like defies history and all you're really saying is YOU don't like him and don't THINK anyone else should. Fair enough - but that is meaningless in the real world. Clearly he can actually get broad support.

And Biden now has a track record - and it is NOT good. 

Meanwhile while trump is clearly insane and said all kinds of stupid crap and does all kinds of stupid things - his actual track record wasn't bad at all. The economy improved significantly, and that can be tied to his policy significantly which is important, he did do project lightspeed, he did trade deals that a lot of Americans like, crime got better and other metrics of interest to people improved.

He'd have a shot at it.

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

That said, Biden could drop dead next week. 

Biden died a little over 7 years ago. 

I get why they chose him... bernie sanders would have been an absolute disaster beyond belief.  But he's just been terrible. Not that i know who the dems would replace him with that would be much better - there are choices that would be a little more 'awake' but they're all too 'woke'  

The american parties are VERY polarized right and left at the moment and the mushy middle seems unsure which way to jump. God knows what's going to happen.