DeSantis’s ‘Apocalyptic’ Attack on Higher Education

[Deluge]

40 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

Not even close. Indeed, lol.

There's not a single tenured teacher making less than a 100k in NY. Oh after 20 yrs they retire at 70% salary with healthcare for life. Yep that's what getting paid is like in a union strong Yankee state

Of course you have links to stronger sources, as you sure as f*ck don't stand up to Indeed on your own.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Deluge

[reason10]

15 minutes ago, NYLefty said:

Simple math lesson. Try to stay focused. NY Teachy pays property tax of 10k a yr on a house. Makes 120k yrly. Fla Teachy pays 1.5k property tax makes 70k. And the Fla numbers are generous. Is that equation understandable so far?

This doesn't even bring into account the NY Teachys home will be worth a mil plus in any of the Burroughs and 650k in upstate Eeeeasy.

Teachy in Fla pays off home after a lifetime and it's worth what. OK I'll be real generous here. 350k. 

Math doesn't lie. The Repulican right wing noise machine which your mesmerized by does. 

You do math like a typical ignorant blue stater.

NY Teacher PAYS A STATE INCOME TAX. Gasoline is higher. EVERYTHING costs more in that shithole. NY Teacher is not fcking better off (ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER WHEN THE HEATING BILLS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.) NY Teacher winds up with a LOWER standard of living after everything is factored in.

Just like Florida, property taxes in New York state are determined according to county.  $1.5 k in property taxes? Maybe during the Bush administration. How about

https://www.tax-rates.org/new_york/property-tax
The median property tax in New York is $3,755.00 per year for a home worth the median value of $306,000.00.

Property taxes in Westchester County are around $9K a year.

NY Teacher winds up with a home that costs a fortune, which means he/she PAYS a fortune in higher property taxes The ONLY advantage there (since there's not much disposable income after paying all the other taxes and the higher cost of living) is being able to sell that house for a fortune and buy a waterfront home in Florida, (where everything costs more.)

Problem with your dumbass theory is the vast numbers of New Yorkers who are moving down here, especially the teachers. I run into several of them almost every day. If it's such a paradise, why are they leaving?

Stay in your shithole blue state. We don't want you here in Florida. Quit moving here. We don't want your uneducated dumb asses down here, committing voter fraud and turning this paradise into another blue shit hole.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, NYLefty said:

Not even close. Indeed, lol.

There's not a single tenured teacher making less than a 100k in NY. Oh after 20 yrs they retire at 70% salary with healthcare for life. Yep that's what getting paid is like in a union strong Yankee state

Then why are so many of them leaving New York at mid career to come to Florida?

[NYLefty]

8 hours ago, reason10 said:

You do math like a typical ignorant blue stater.

NY Teacher PAYS A STATE INCOME TAX. Gasoline is higher. EVERYTHING costs more in that shithole. NY Teacher is not fcking better off (ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER WHEN THE HEATING BILLS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF.) NY Teacher winds up with a LOWER standard of living after everything is factored in.

Just like Florida, property taxes in New York state are determined according to county.  $1.5 k in property taxes? Maybe during the Bush administration. How about

https://www.tax-rates.org/new_york/property-tax
The median property tax in New York is $3,755.00 per year for a home worth the median value of $306,000.00.

Property taxes in Westchester County are around $9K a year.

NY Teacher winds up with a home that costs a fortune, which means he/she PAYS a fortune in higher property taxes The ONLY advantage there (since there's not much disposable income after paying all the other taxes and the higher cost of living) is being able to sell that house for a fortune and buy a waterfront home in Florida, (where everything costs more.)

Problem with your dumbass theory is the vast numbers of New Yorkers who are moving down here, especially the teachers. I run into several of them almost every day. If it's such a paradise, why are they leaving?

Stay in your shithole blue state. We don't want you here in Florida. Quit moving here. We don't want your uneducated dumb asses down here, committing voter fraud and turning this paradise into another blue shit hole.

OK, I see you failed on the "Stay Focused" part again?

[Nationalist]

I think if NY teachers are so well paid in NY, that they should stay there.

I think Florida has every right to demand that schools teach kids to read and write, instead of creating socially disgruntled activists.

I think NY Libbies should worry about NY, and stop worrying about Florida.

In the end...the grades will show the difference.

[Rebound]

45 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think if NY teachers are so well paid in NY, that they should stay there.

I think Florida has every right to demand that schools teach kids to read and write, instead of creating socially disgruntled activists.

I think NY Libbies should worry about NY, and stop worrying about Florida.

In the end...the grades will show the difference.

The grades?

if every single kid gets an A in every single class, what do the grades tell you?

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

The grades?

if every single kid gets an A in every single class, what do the grades tell you?

That someone is lying.

Is that the new course of action in NY?

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 3/9/2023 at 2:26 PM, robosmith said:

DeSantis’s ‘Apocalyptic’ Attack on Higher Education

State government micro-managing education. ?

DeSantis doesn't want voters capable of critical thinking and individual thought. He wants them just smart enough to clean his cabana, and just stupid enough to vote for him. 

[Mako]

On 3/11/2023 at 8:11 AM, Rebound said:

There’s no choice when the government makes it a crime for teachers to tell the truth to their students.  

Please provide a specific example of a Truth being concealed.

Edited March 13, 2023 by Mako

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

DeSantis doesn't want voters capable of critical thinking and individual thought. He wants them just smart enough to clean his cabana, and just stupid enough to vote for him. 

Why would you say such a silly thing Barb? Do you think its a good idea to expose elementary school kids to Trans lifestyle? To teach them that white people are somehow less deserving as a result of things these kids had no part in? Perhaps you think parents should not be allowed to participate in the education their children get?

[Rebound]

47 minutes ago, Mako said:

Please provide a specific example of a Truth being concealed.

You’re surely joking. Schools in Florida can’t even buy DICTIONARIES. Teachers have to remove ALL of the books from their shelves. Just… that’s unimaginable! A teacher is not allowed to have BOOKS in their classroom.  

 
“The Sarasota school district has frozen the purchase of new library books, and stopped accepting donated books, even dictionaries, until they can hire media specialists to vet each book.

"All books added (purchased, donated, or otherwise made available) to a school media center, classroom library or included on a school or grade level reading list, regardless of how they are obtained, must be selected by an employee with a valid education media specialist certificate. This includes both school and staff-based purchases," said guidance issued to school leaders by the Sarasota district this summer.”

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2022-08-25/students-teachers-florida-new-education-laws-stifle-schools

 

Let me teach you something about books: When the government tries to prevent you from reading a book, you should do everything you can to read it. Because they are DEFINITELY trying to hide the truth from you when they do that. 

Edited March 13, 2023 by Rebound

[reason10]

9 hours ago, NYLefty said:

OK, I see you failed on the "Stay Focused" part again?

I just answered the lies with the truth. I just put a poorly educated blue stater in his/her place.

Oh, and the thread was about Florida and the left wing attacks on our colleges and how our brilliant governor defended them from BLACK QUEER STUDIES and CRT.

And the !diot goes off on a teacher salary tangent.

[reason10]

You’re surely joking. Schools in Florida can’t even buy DICTIONARIES. Teachers have to remove ALL of the books from their shelves. Just… that’s unimaginable! A teacher is not allowed to have BOOKS in their classroom.  

You are high on crack. EVERY school I subbed at in three counties has BOOKS in classrooms as well as in the library. There are DICTIONARIES in both classrooms and the library. I even showed some of the elementary school kids how to look up a definition in a hardcover dictionary instead of the laptop the school provided. You're not even a smart liar.

Florida colleges continue to graduate doctors, lawyers, engineers, and other professionals without them needing BLACK QUEER STUDIES or THE 1619 PROJECT LIE.

Another example of inferior blue state schools. You knuckleheads will believe anything.

[reason10]

55 minutes ago, Mako said:

Please provide a specific example of a Truth being concealed.

These knuckleheads don't have a relationship with Truth. Some of them are too stupid to even be able to SPELL the word.

[Mako]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

You’re surely joking. Schools in Florida can’t even buy DICTIONARIES. Teachers have to remove ALL of the books from their shelves. Just… that’s unimaginable! A teacher is not allowed to have BOOKS in their classroom.  

 
“The Sarasota school district has frozen the purchase of new library books, and stopped accepting donated books, even dictionaries, until they can hire media specialists to vet each book.

"All books added (purchased, donated, or otherwise made available) to a school media center, classroom library or included on a school or grade level reading list, regardless of how they are obtained, must be selected by an employee with a valid education media specialist certificate. This includes both school and staff-based purchases," said guidance issued to school leaders by the Sarasota district this summer.”

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2022-08-25/students-teachers-florida-new-education-laws-stifle-schools

 

Let me teach you something about books: When the government tries to prevent you from reading a book, you should do everything you can to read it. Because they are DEFINITELY trying to hide the truth from you when they do that. 

Can you give any specific examples?

The big media corporations who produce the textbooks and the liberal bureaucrats who approve them are by far the biggest forces for censorship.

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by Mako

[robosmith]

In Florida Legislative Session, a Chance for DeSantis to Check Off His Wish List

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Gov. Ron DeSantis has made it his political mission to, as he likes to say, put points on the board.

He is about to run up the score.

Since his landslide re-election victory, the emboldened Republican governor has proposed or endorsed policy after policy that has enthralled his supporters and alarmed his detractors: Allow Floridians to carry concealed weapons without a permit or training. Ban diversity and equity programs at public universities. Expand school vouchers. Allow a death sentence without a unanimous jury. Make it easier to sue the news media. Further restrict abortion.

Most — and perhaps all — of Mr. DeSantis’s wishes will likely soon be granted by the Republican-held State Legislature, giving him a broader platform from which to launch a widely expected 2024 presidential campaign. Ahead of the annual session, scheduled to begin on Tuesday and last 60 days, Republican lawmakers have given every indication that they will be guided by whatever the governor wants. 

I want to applaud Dethantis' pursuit of policies SO EXTREME it will make his election to POTUS impossible.

And only Floridians will suffer from his ambitions.

[BeaverFever]

DeSantis got so impatient with his book-ban witch hunt he went full nazi and declared all books are banned from schools by default until they’re cleared by Republican-chosen censors.   That’s cancel culture on steroids.  And I thought Republicans believed in local decision-making involving parents and families, not centrally planned blanket laws created by politicians in the distant capital and forced on the entire populace under threat of criminal prosecution.   Just goes to show republicans don’t believe in anymore, except absolute rule at all costs. 
 

And in the same way that even a devout Muslim is an infidel in the eyes of an ISIS extremist, everything is “woke” to right wing Republican extremists. Unsurprisingly, blacks and gays and women are their primary victims. 

[robosmith]

Florida bills would ban gender studies, limit trans pronouns, erode tenure

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Florida legislators have proposed a spate of new laws that would reshape K-12 and higher education in the state, from requiring teachers to use pronouns matching children’s sex as assigned at birth to establishing a universal school choice voucher program.

The half-dozen bills, filed by a cast of GOP state representatives and senators, come shortly before the launch of Florida’s legislative session Tuesday. Other proposals in the mix include eliminating college majors in gender studies, nixing diversity efforts at universities and job protections for tenured faculty, strengthening parents’ ability to veto K-12 class materials and extending a ban on teaching about gender and sexuality — from third grade up to eighth grade. 

 

[reason10]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

In Florida Legislative Session, a Chance for DeSantis to Check Off His Wish List

I want to applaud Dethantis' pursuit of policies SO EXTREME it will make his election to POTUS impossible.

And only Floridians will suffer from his ambitions.

Only blue states have extreme policies (and a lot of those policies are nothing more than pedophelia.) Unfortunately, DeSantis could very easily win the presidency. In  Florida, we want him to wait until he finishes his term as governor, since he is the best governor, not only in the history of Florida but in the history of the United States.

You blue state goose steppers are the extremists.  Your idea of education is BLACK QUEER STUDIES, and the institutional racism of CRT.

Florida's superior governor is NOT going to allow Florida tax dollars to be thrown at basically QUEERBAIT indoctrination. There are too many ACADEMIC subjects ahead in line.

[robosmith]

DeSantis Promises Florida Will Control Disney’s Content Right-wing board to clamp down on “woke ideology” in cartoons

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A year ago, I wrote a long profile of DeSantis, in which his deep-rooted distrust of liberal democracy was a major theme. Last fall, I attended the National Conservatism Conference, where the attendees laid out rather plainly their ambition to turn DeSantis into a model for a ruthless, illiberal party that would use the organs of the state to crush its enemies. Since those pieces appeared, DeSantis’s actions have made me more, not less, concerned.

Whether DeSantis would actually do more damage to American democracy in office than Trump could remains hard to say. Perhaps, perhaps not. But we should recognize that he is not putting himself forward as a critic of Trump’s authoritarianism. He is promising, on the contrary, to exceed it. 

 

[reason10]

25 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Florida bills would ban gender studies, limit trans pronouns, erode tenure

 

Gender studies degrees are about as valuable as Lesbian Dance Theory. Name a SINGLE large corporation that will hire a Gender Studies or Lesbian Dance Theory grad to a six figure income. Florida community colleges produce grads in air conditioner technology, auto mechanics, plumbing, welding who start out at six figures.

The ONLY pronouns should be he or she in humans. Anything else is bullshit.

Tenure is a 19th Century concept that needs to go. Too many tenured professors wind up letting doctoral students teach their classes while they sit on their fat asses collecting checks. They either have to get off their fat asses and earn their money or move to an inferior blue state for a job.

Governor DeSantis has decided Florida taxpayer dollars are NOT going to be wasted on crap like CRT (which basically teaches a kid to hate America.) If you don't like this DON'T MOVE TO FLORIDA. We don't want your dumb uneducated ass here anyway. Stay in your blue state, where the welfare checks are much higher.

[reason10]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

DeSantis Promises Florida Will Control Disney’s Content Right-wing board to clamp down on “woke ideology” in cartoons

 

And you left wingers want government to control all free speech anyway. You continue those NAZI attacks on FoxNews. Cancel Culture is your FINAL SOLUTION.

You have ZERO room to talk.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

Gender studies degrees are about as valuable as Lesbian Dance Theory. Name a SINGLE large corporation that will hire a Gender Studies or Lesbian Dance Theory grad to a six figure income. Florida community colleges produce grads in air conditioner technology, auto mechanics, plumbing, welding who start out at six figures.

The ONLY pronouns should be he or she in humans. Anything else is bullshit.

Tenure is a 19th Century concept that needs to go. Too many tenured professors wind up letting doctoral students teach their classes while they sit on their fat asses collecting checks. They either have to get off their fat asses and earn their money or move to an inferior blue state for a job.

Governor DeSantis has decided Florida taxpayer dollars are NOT going to be wasted on crap like CRT (which basically teaches a kid to hate America.) If you don't like this DON'T MOVE TO FLORIDA. We don't want your dumb uneducated ass here anyway. Stay in your blue state, where the welfare checks are much higher.

Here's a clue FOR YOU. College is NOT an employment training program and was NEVER meant to be one.

[reason10]

Florida is not attacking higher education. That's a LIE.

Florida is preventing our SUPERIOR higher education from being attacked, (mostly by racists, queers,  child molesters, and communists.)

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

And you left wingers want government to control all free speech anyway. You continue those NAZI attacks on FoxNews. Cancel Culture is your FINAL SOLUTION.

You have ZERO room to talk.

MAYBE if ^these LIES were true. But they're NOT.