The Florida STOP WOKE ACT

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

So you think that SOME races are superior to others?  

Please stop trolling.  

[Nationalist]

27 minutes ago, reason10 said:

So you think that SOME races are superior to others? You agree that certain races SHOULD be discriminated against?

You consider non discrimination to be stupid?

Sir...it must be completely evident to you by now, that a lot of people do not care about facts or reality. These folks are driven by one issue and one issue only.

Hatred For Trump.! They will scream, rationalize and lie endlessly, if they think they are opposing anything Trump. We call it TDS and unfortunately, these infected souls cannot shake the hatred.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Please stop trolling.  

Its a reasonable question, given your responses so far.

Why don't you try answering it?

[Infidel Dog]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Please stop trolling.  

Please stop changing the definitions of words to suit your mood.

Come to think of it and seeing as we're talking about everything except the topic - Reason, were you the one who said there are no Progressives at this site?

You're kind of right but kind of wrong. There may not be any actual "Progressives" by the actual definition. I'm not sure if they even exist. But there are Progs. Progs are everywhere.

They self-identify or posture as Progressive but they're the opposite. What Mikey just did; that's the kind of thing a Prog does. I'll give you another example. You know those types that want to think of themselves as tolerant but are obviously intolerant of anything that contradicts them? Total Progs.

They're Allinskyites. Even the ones that don't know what that is. Here you'll see them use the one that demands they attack the enemy by making them live up to the letter of their own ideals.

If you don't like you or your children being indoctrinated by inculcating racism into your ideology you're opposing free speech, you hypocrite. Don't want to see your kid turned into a sex puppet for Gender ideology? What's wrong? Don't believe in free speech? 

The proper response to that might be, "Bullshit. Run along little Proggy."

[reason10]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Please stop trolling.  

Winning an argument with a liberal is not trolling.

ANSWER THE DAMNED QUESTION, or admit you are wrong.

Do you think DISCRIMINATION AGAINST A CERTAIN RACE is okay?

That's what the Florida Stop Woke Act was supposed to outlaw.

If you want public schools to teach that some races are inferior to others, just admit it. Don't hide behind that entitled, triggered mo RONIC "troll" excuse.

You said the Florida law was stupid. So do you agree that some races are just inferior to others? Do you think that should be taught in schools?

It's not a troll. It's a legitimate question. Answer it.

[reason10]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Please stop changing the definitions of words to suit your mood.

Come to think of it and seeing as we're talking about everything except the topic - Reason, were you the one who said there are no Progressives at this site?

You're kind of right but kind of wrong. There may not be any actual "Progressives" by the actual definition. I'm not sure if they even exist. But there are Progs. Progs are everywhere.

They self-identify or posture as Progressive but they're the opposite. What Mikey just did; that's the kind of thing a Prog does. I'll give you another example. You know those types that want to think of themselves as tolerant but are obviously intolerant of anything that contradicts them? Total Progs.

They're Allinskyites. Even the ones that don't know what that is. Here you'll see them use the one that demands they attack the enemy by making them live up to the letter of their own ideals.

If you don't like you or your children being indoctrinated by inculcating racism into your ideology you're opposing free speech, you hypocrite. Don't want to see your kid turned into a sex puppet for Gender ideology? What's wrong? Don't believe in free speech? 

The proper response to that might be, "Bullshit. Run along little Proggy."

I asked if Hardner AGREED that some races should be treated differently than others, that some races are inferior to others? He claimed the Florida Stop Woke Act was ridiculous. Well the Stop Woke act PROHIBITS treating one race differently from  the other.

Rather than be honest and answer, he called me a troll.

(Definitely educated in a blue state.)

[reason10]

The Repolitics TROLL ACT.

According to the liberals here, the following items are PERFECTLY acceptable in public schools.

1.   Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex are morally superior to members of another race, color, national origin, or sex. 
2. A person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously. 
3. A person’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, national origin, or sex. 
4. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex. 
5. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex. 
6. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex should be discriminated against or received adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion. 
7. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the person played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sec. 
8. Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindedness are racist or sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color, national origin, or sex to oppress members of another race, color, national origin, or sex.

Ask a liberal here if he/she/it agrees with these items, and you get called a TROLL.

[Infidel Dog]

17 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I asked if Hardner AGREED that some races should be treated differently than others, that some races are inferior to others? He claimed the Florida Stop Woke Act was ridiculous. Well the Stop Woke act PROHIBITS treating one race differently from  the other.

Rather than be honest and answer, he called me a troll.

(Definitely educated in a blue state.)

Allinsky's rules for Radicals:

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

https://bolenreport.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-radicals/

That's what he's doing when he incorrectly calls "Troll."

Like I told you: Progs are Allinskyites. Knowing that is the first step to putting them back on their heels.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

54 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Please stop changing the definitions of words to suit your mood.

2.  I'm not sure if they even exist. But there are Progs. Progs are everywhere.

3. They self-identify or posture as Progressive but they're the opposite.

4. They're Allinskyites.  

5. If you don't like you or your children being indoctrinated by inculcating racism into your ideology you're opposing free speech, you hypocrite.

6. Don't want to see your kid turned into a sex puppet for Gender ideology? What's wrong? Don't believe in free speech?   The proper response to that might be, "Bullshit. Run along little Proggy."

1. Yes, trolling - Implying that I'm a racist because I called anti-Woke legislation a big nothing.  
2. Don't let the possibility of discussing a topic with an actual human get in the way of your need to blame, scapegoat, scaremonger and - especially - assign meaningless labels to people in support of the prior mentioned activities.
3. I don't self-identify as anything but conservative and Christian.
4. Riiight... I forgot to add: attributing people to obscure ideologies in service of a paranoid conspiracy theory about Marxism.
5. Free speech like the GOVERNOR of Florida deciding that certain ideas need to be banned ?  Ok.  Got it.
6. You really don't belong on a discussion forum.  I would never accuse you of being a pedophile.  Really - if you think that of your forum companions why do you think it's ok to discuss things with us ?  

[Michael Hardner]

Actually I-Dog, I took you off ignore for a few good posts but being accused of pimping out my kids is beyond the pale.

Care to apologize like a human being would ?

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

The Republicans have NEVER opposed civil rights for blacks.  Perhaps you should open a history book, maybe to that portion of the 19 Century when Republicans FOUGHT A GODDDDAM CIVIL WAR to free black slaves and then managed to get them the right to attend school and to vote. It was the Democrats who created the Jim Crow laws, which the Republicans overturned, legislatively.

Your wonderful liberal icon Bobby Kennedy, as attorney general, was the goon who ordered wiretaps on Dr. King's phone, in an effort for the government to discredit this uppity black and dig up dirt on a marital affair he was having.

That's YOUR left wing side of the aisle. And the Democrats have NOT changed since then. They are STILL the racist, bigot sector of America.

Bottom line, Trump and Rosa Parks, two CONSERVATIVES who were honored for their work.

Trump was only a Democrat when it came to buying off those goose steppers so they would leave his businesses alone. That made him kind of a bush league version of George Soros.

When it came time for Trump to save the country from the policies of Obama, he chose to do it as a Republican. And he DID save the country from Obama's policies.

You are a liar and a fool. Rosa Parks was NOT a conservative and NOT a Republican. What terrible things to say about an American icon! Lol

She was a radical activist in every sense of the word. Black power! She worked to upend the status quo, not preserve it. And she *literally* worked with and for Democrats from the 60s on. 

You really think anyone will believe your preposterous lies? That Rosa Parks was joining forces with Strom Thurmond to fight the civil rights act or something? GTFO with your ignorant twaddle. You're going to have a hard time selling something that far fetched even to other gullible conservatives.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

NPR? And you complain about FoxNews?

Idealistic left wing zealots definitely campaigned hard. They gave us SLAVERY, the HOLOCAUST, 9-11, and generally the WORST economies in history. Whether the left wing hero was Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Obama, KKKlinton, the results were ALL the same: Anti Freedom, Anti Market Capitalism, and general genocide.

Wanna know the origin of THIS?

 

Look no further than the woman Hillary admired more than anyone.

Meanwhile, free market capitalists were busy trading with each other and building a world economy and raising the standard of living for everyone. And you left wingers HATE them for doing that.

I know you get your education from Pinterest and the conservative memeplex, but that's not an actual Margaret Sanger quote. It's fiction. Or more accurately, more lies from you. Surprise!

Sanger was into eugenics, and that's ugly enough without lying.

 

[Infidel Dog]

30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes, trolling - Implying that I'm a racist because I called anti-Woke legislation a big nothing.  
 

Racism against whites is racist. If you support it what does that make you? Asking or even implying the question is valid. It's not trolling.

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2. Don't let the possibility of discussing a topic with an actual human get in the way of your need to blame, scapegoat, scaremonger and - especially - assign meaningless labels to people in support of the prior mentioned activities.

What? You mean like Troll?

Taking a Prog stance is posturing as a Prog. I don't care what you want to pretend you are this week. And Progs aren't obscure. They're everywhere. Quite often pretending to be something else.

Certain ideas do need not to be tolerated. Racism for instance or grooming. If you want to support them on the grounds of free speech don't expect people not to notice.

As far as putting me on ignore, I'll miss you. Come back soon.

But for future reference try to Allinsky me and I'll give you back a face full.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Racism against whites is racist. If you support it what does that make you? Asking or even implying the question is valid. It's not trolling.

2. Taking a Prog stance is posturing as a Prog. I don't care what you want to pretend you are this week. And Progs aren't obscure. They're everywhere. Quite often pretending to be something else.

3. As far as putting me on ignore, I'll miss you. Come back soon.

4. But for future reference try to Allinsky me and I'll give you back a face full.

1. I have never said I support racism.  So accusing me of that is trolling, and personal insults which are not allowed on the forum.
2. You can't make an argument without first having a little side chat to explain the custom made label you have for me.  Don't you see why that makes you a poor fit for a forum ?  You absolutely NEED to explain your little tag in order to make your argument work.
3. I suppose you will miss me until you can find another person you can accuse of being a pedophile.  Why are you here again ?
4. And you are a Mr. Dressupian... see how that comes across ?  Just silliness. 

[Infidel Dog]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I have never said I support racism.   

So. Does that mean you do support DeSantis refusing to support the racist policy of CRT with public moneys?

If DeSantis doesn't want  to finance indoctrination of this below for example with public moneys for instance:

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1.   Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex are morally superior to members of another race, color, national origin, or sex. 

is he still a free speech hypocrite?

Because what I heard you say in response to that was:

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On 1/9/2023 at 4:57 PM, Michael Hardner said:

What a big nothing.

DeSantis is a disgrace, and the US has declined into a giant freedom LARP.  

 

Ignoring racism when it's racism we like sounds kind of racist to me. Or are we redefining that word, 'racism', like we want to do with "trolling."

[Infidel Dog]

Speaking of "Ignoring" I thought you were putting me on ignore. Are you trying to encourage me not to take you seriously?

Or are you just over your sudden burst of moral outrage? I guess it didn't matter that much after all.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

1. Speaking of "Ignoring" I thought you were putting me on ignore.  

 

1. Yes, doing this now.  Thanks.

[reason10]

1. Yes, trolling - Implying that I'm a racist because I called anti-Woke legislation a big nothing.  

If you think the anti Woke act is a big nothing, that means you AGREE with this crap being taught in schools

1.   Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex are morally superior to members of another race, color, national origin, or sex. 
2. A person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously. 
3. A person’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, national origin, or sex. 
4. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex. 
5. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex. 
6. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex should be discriminated against or received adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion. 
7. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the person played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sec. 
8. Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindedness are
9. racist or sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color, national origin, or sex to oppress members of another race, color, national origin, or sex.

That qualifies as racist..

2. Don't let the possibility of discussing a topic with an actual human get in the way of your need to blame, scapegoat, scaremonger and - especially - assign meaningless labels to people in support of the prior mentioned activities.

I mentioned the Anti Woke act, which prohibits those RACIST items being taught in schools. You're the one who ridiculously called it a big NOTHING, which means you APPROVE of those racist items.

3. I don't self-identify as anything but conservative and Christian.

NOBODY who puts NPR over FoxNews and believes humans can change the climate of a planet whose surface is mostly water is a conservative. That's not even in the vicinity of mainstream conservatism, (which is where most of America is). I don't bring up religion because this is not the time or place for it. I don't assign accolades or condemnation to an individual based on his/her religion. That's a private item and it's none of my business.

5. Free speech like the GOVERNOR of Florida deciding that certain ideas need to be banned ?  Ok.  Got it.

Pornography is speech. I guess you have no problems introducing it into Florida schools, (like the parents of Loudon County, Virginia discovered.) To bring you up to speed with something most people should know, public schools are CONTROLLED and administered by governments. Some conservatives call them GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS. That means GOVERNMENT has the right to decide what is taught in public schools.

I guess MISTER FREE SPEECH here would have no problem with KKK rallies, or BLM rallies or Nazi rallies in public schools, huh? Thing you have to realize is public schools are NOT political message boards, or other types of political forums. They are institutions of EDUCATION. There are certain FACTS that the young skulls full of mush are supposed to be taught.

THESE LIES

1.   Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex are morally superior to members of another race, color, national origin, or sex. 
2. A person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously. 
3. A person’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, national origin, or sex. 
4. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex. 
5. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex. 
6. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex should be discriminated against or received adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion. 
7. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the person played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sec. 
8. Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindedness are
9. racist or sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color, national origin, or sex to oppress members of another race, color, national origin, or sex.

are not academic FACTS, (unless you AGREE with them, which would make you a racist) These items are not History, Geography, Science, Art, Writing, Mathematics, and the actual ACADEMIC subjects a young skull full of mush needs in order to graduate high school and maybe attend college. One of the reasons Florida schools rate so high is because our superior teachers don't waste time with that racist Woke crap. They're too busy producing the best minds in the country.

6. You really don't belong on a discussion forum.  I would never accuse you of being a pedophile.  Really - if you think that of your forum companions why do you think it's ok to discuss things with us ?  

In other words, I disagree with you and the liberals here so you don't think I belong here. As far as being accused of being a pedophile, (and if you produce a post of me saying otherwise, I'll admit it) so far, the ONLY person I've accused of being a pedophile is Unelected Joe. I don't recall anyone accusing me of being a pedophile.

What apparently continues to escape that mind of yours is the fact that this place is NOT some wonderful public forum where neighbors get together to visit and compare notes. That is not possible in this format, since nobody here goes by his/her actual name. We are a bunch of strangers, from different parts of the country. We only come here to discuss politics, (mostly so we won't throw our shoes at the TV set.) Suggesting that this group of mercenaries somehow resembles a "community" is about as obscene as it gets.

Facebook and Twitter are the closest internet environments to an actual town hall, because actual names are being used. Speech codes are a lot more rigorous there than here.

You need to accept the fact that some people are going to disagree with you. Some of them will produce links you do not like. That doesn't make them trolls. It just makes them people who disagree with you.

Personally, I have ZERO problems with those who disagree with me. If they debate intelligently, the back and forth is a lot of fun. I'll let you know when I find someone here who has decided to debate intelligently.

 

 

 

[Moonbox]

51 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Speaking of "Ignoring" I thought you were putting me on ignore. Are you trying to encourage me not to take you seriously?

Or are you just over your sudden burst of moral outrage? I guess it didn't matter that much after all.

I think I will too.  This is some of most buffoonish and garbage posting I've seen on this forum in awhile.  It's a waste of time even reading the angry derangement of people like this.  

Edited January 16, 2023 by Moonbox

[reason10]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

I know you get your education from Pinterest and the conservative memeplex, but that's not an actual Margaret Sanger quote. It's fiction. Or more accurately, more lies from you. Surprise!

Sanger was into eugenics, and that's ugly enough without lying.

 

See, THOSE insults would make you a TROLL. They are lies. And they are insults.

Since you obviously need more education concerning Eugenics:

https://www.dailyitem.com/eugenics-in-the-holocaust/article_efc7926e-d52f-11eb-beb5-870e55783ac8.html

Around 1909, the United States saw the beginning of a 70-year-long civil rights violation; forced sterilizations. These procedures were performed on individuals, specifically minorities, who were deemed unworthy to procreate. This appalling process targeted individuals who did not match the Aryan race template while disguising itself as a necessity for the betterment of humanity. Forced sterilizations affected thousands in the United States alone and gained legality in 33 states. These procedures and philosophies quickly migrated across the Atlantic and took root in post-World War I Germany.

America’s surge in forced sterilizations, as well as eugenics studies, seemed to influence Hitler’s policies as he rose to power. After Germany’s defeat in World War I, many Germans were searching for a scapegoat to blame. The theory of eugenics was applied to formulate hatred against those who lacked the proper genetics. As the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum says, “by 1933, the theories of racial hygiene were embedded into the professional and public mindset...they embraced an ideology that blended racial antisemitism with eugenic theory.”

By basing his antisemitism in a scientific theory, Hitler was able to sway his supporters and convince them of the need to eradicate non-Aryan citizens. The Nazi party channeled the collective rage from the aftermath of World War I into racism and antisemitism by using eugenics as justification for their beliefs.

Throughout the entirety of the Holocaust, the Nazi party caused the death of millions of Jewish people in pursuit of racial hygiene. The effects were catastrophic. In 1933, the Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases was enacted. This law forced the sterilization of 400,000 Germans who had a disability or disorder. On a similar note, the Marital Hygiene Law of 1935 prohibited the marriage of members of the Aryan race with those who possessed “diseased, inferior, or dangerous genetic material.” These laws contributed to the stigmatization of people living with disabilities as well as nonmembers of the Aryan race.

This is the link of Eugenics to the Holocaust. Margaret Sanger was a racist and an anti-Semite. And her sick, twisted ideas led to six million JEWS being murdered.

There are other sources as well:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/eugenics

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/eugenics

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism

 

By the way, OTHER supports of Eugenics include

George Bernard Shaw

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Clarence Darrow

John Maynard Keynes (The FDR economist who invented the welfare state)

Woodrow Wilson

 

 

 

[Hodad]

7 minutes ago, reason10 said:

See, THOSE insults would make you a TROLL. They are lies. And they are insults.

Since you obviously need more education concerning Eugenics:

https://www.dailyitem.com/eugenics-in-the-holocaust/article_efc7926e-d52f-11eb-beb5-870e55783ac8.html

Around 1909, the United States saw the beginning of a 70-year-long civil rights violation; forced sterilizations. These procedures were performed on individuals, specifically minorities, who were deemed unworthy to procreate. This appalling process targeted individuals who did not match the Aryan race template while disguising itself as a necessity for the betterment of humanity. Forced sterilizations affected thousands in the United States alone and gained legality in 33 states. These procedures and philosophies quickly migrated across the Atlantic and took root in post-World War I Germany.

America’s surge in forced sterilizations, as well as eugenics studies, seemed to influence Hitler’s policies as he rose to power. After Germany’s defeat in World War I, many Germans were searching for a scapegoat to blame. The theory of eugenics was applied to formulate hatred against those who lacked the proper genetics. As the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum says, “by 1933, the theories of racial hygiene were embedded into the professional and public mindset...they embraced an ideology that blended racial antisemitism with eugenic theory.”

By basing his antisemitism in a scientific theory, Hitler was able to sway his supporters and convince them of the need to eradicate non-Aryan citizens. The Nazi party channeled the collective rage from the aftermath of World War I into racism and antisemitism by using eugenics as justification for their beliefs.

Throughout the entirety of the Holocaust, the Nazi party caused the death of millions of Jewish people in pursuit of racial hygiene. The effects were catastrophic. In 1933, the Law for the Prevention of Progeny with Hereditary Diseases was enacted. This law forced the sterilization of 400,000 Germans who had a disability or disorder. On a similar note, the Marital Hygiene Law of 1935 prohibited the marriage of members of the Aryan race with those who possessed “diseased, inferior, or dangerous genetic material.” These laws contributed to the stigmatization of people living with disabilities as well as nonmembers of the Aryan race.

This is the link of Eugenics to the Holocaust. Margaret Sanger was a racist and an anti-Semite. And her sick, twisted ideas led to six million JEWS being murdered.

There are other sources as well:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/eugenics

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/eugenics

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism

 

By the way, OTHER supports of Eugenics include

George Bernard Shaw

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Clarence Darrow

John Maynard Keynes (The FDR economist who invented the welfare state)

Woodrow Wilson

 

 

 

Congratulations on learning a new word, but "eugenics" isn't news to most of us. And if you think Sanger, a woman in the U.S. had any influence on the holocaust, you're off your rocker. (Although I think that's already well established.) Yes, she was wooed by eugenics as a concept. Yes, she was a pioneering supporter of birth control. But she was also explicitly pro life and not overtly racist in the context of her time. Her concept of fitness was economic/success is based rather than racial and she never advocated killing of the born or unborn.

If you want to blame someone for the holocaust, consider blaming Hitler instead of an American woman. Hitler who, like you, referred to people he disliked as animals.

 

[reason10]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Congratulations on learning a new word, but "eugenics" isn't news to most of us. And if you think Sanger, a woman in the U.S. had any influence on the holocaust, you're off your rocker. (Although I think that's already well established.) Yes, she was wooed by eugenics as a concept. Yes, she was a pioneering supporter of birth control. But she was also explicitly pro life and not overtly racist in the context of her time. Her concept of fitness was economic/success is based rather than racial and she never advocated killing of the born or unborn.

If you want to blame someone for the holocaust, consider blaming Hitler instead of an American woman. Hitler who, like you, referred to people he disliked as animals.

 

If you think Hitler (an otherwise innocuous paper hanger with a pisssss poor military career) somehow invented the junk science of Eugenics, you clearly have a lot to learn.

The MANY links I provided showed a link from CHARLES DARWIN to the Holocaust, with all the supporters in between.

Read more. Post less.  You might actually learn something.

[Hodad]

38 minutes ago, reason10 said:

If you think Hitler (an otherwise innocuous paper hanger with a pisssss poor military career) somehow invented the junk science of Eugenics, you clearly have a lot to learn.

The MANY links I provided showed a link from CHARLES DARWIN to the Holocaust, with all the supporters in between.

Read more. Post less.  You might actually learn something.

Yes, you seem to be an endless supply of garbage links for garbage ideas to ranging from poorly reasoned to (most often) outright and obviously false. 

Remember that this conversation started with you absurdly claiming that Rosa Parks was a conservative/Republican. Lol

Rather than acknowledging those lies, you simply ignored them and jumped from one crappy premise to another. 

I wonder why no one can take you seriously? Physician, heal thyself. 

 

[reason10]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Yes, you seem to be an endless supply of garbage links for garbage ideas to ranging from poorly reasoned to (most often) outright and obviously false. 

Remember that this conversation started with you absurdly claiming that Rosa Parks was a conservative/Republican. Lol

Rather than acknowledging those lies, you simply ignored them and jumped from one crappy premise to another. 

I wonder why no one can take you seriously? Physician, heal thyself. 

 

Yes, you seem to be an endless supply of garbage links for garbage ideas to ranging from poorly reasoned to (most often) outright and obviously false. 

If you cannot handle the truth, just say you can't. It's not like I'm linking to  CNN, PMSNBC, or THE VIEW. I give reliable sources that tell the truth.

Remember that this conversation started with you absurdly claiming that Rosa Parks was a conservative/Republican. Lol

Actually, you are a LIAR. My exact words (when describing the RACIST content that the Florida AntiWoke Act was banning from public schools)

Conservatives have ALWAYS sounded like MLK. In fact MLK was a Republican.

A little bit of history: It was uber liberal Bobby Kennedy who ordered the wiretaps on Dr. King's phone during that time period. The Democrats have always been the party of racist.

Republicans?  Ask Rosa Parks.

I then showed a photo of Rosa Parks, posiing Muhammad Ali and the LAST LEGALLY ELECTED President in the United States, Donald Trump.

In the biography links about Parks, I didn't find any party affiliation. When I asked if she was a Republican or Democrat I got two answers in that search. One was that she was a Democrat and a liberal. The other was that because the Democrats at the time were the party of Jim Crow and segregation, she was a Republican.

Bottom line, the Democrats back then (AS WELL AS TODAY) were racists, bigots and segregationists.  Over the period of time I've been here, I've provided PLENTY of credible links to prove that fact.

I wonder why no one can take you seriously? Physician, heal thyself.

Actually intelligent, educated people take me quite seriously. It's the uneducated goose steppers who have such a problem losing arguments to me, WHICH THEY DO ALL THE TIME.

I don't need to heal myself. I'm right and you're wrong.

You need to GROW UP, child.

 

 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 1/10/2023 at 9:47 AM, Michael Hardner said:

You want to legislate against racism ?  Ok... and why is there an issue then ?  

I don't doubt people want to make it illegal for police to shoot black people - is that an issue ?  

Do you want to pass laws to stop "feeling bad" ?

Do you think elementary and high schools should be able to teach racist theories and concepts?

What about post-secondary, where academic freedom is paramount?  Can a prof teach that Jews are controlling the economy, or teach holocaust denial?  Can a high school teacher?  Is it ok for kids to "feel bad" in this instance?

If a high school teacher teaches holocaust denial what will happen?  The principal will probably deem it offensive according to their whims, and fire the teacher.  But this is based on their subjective whims, is there any policy that the teacher broke?  Maybe they could say they didn't follow the curriculum, ok then who decides what can and can't be on the curriculum?  How do we "police" what things can be taught and not taught to our children.  Because clearly there are good and bad things students can be taught, and someone needs to decide what those are.  Leaving it up to the whims of teachers, at least at the elementary/high school level, will necessarily politicize the classroom.

Students now live in a society that is teaching them that merit, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindedness are racist.  For many decades this is what activists wanted, for oppressed groups to just be treated like everyone else, which reasonable people supported, but now that isn't enough.  They want special privileges based on skin colour and sex/gender etc. to make up for past/current wrongs.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Moonlight Graham