Critical Race Theory

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

You asked me to provide you a text book.. how am I supposed to get access to a text book without buying one? 

We aren't playing your ridiculous games where you CHANGE THE RULES whenever you are shown yo be the LOSER you are

*I* didn't ask you to "provide" a text book. You are confused.

Just IDENTIFY one with a link or admit YOU CANNOT.

[Rebound]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You guys have already been down this road denying CRT in a thread a couple of months ago. Back then I showed you how wrong you are with a link to the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario. Can't accept reality, so started another thread? Read and weep.

 

But that, however, is not Critical Race Theory. 

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You guys have already been down this road denying CRT in a thread a couple of months ago. Back then I showed you how wrong you are with a link to the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario. Can't accept reality, so started another thread? Read and weep.

 

You know what is NOT mentioned in your cite? CRT.

[West]

36 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Let me to do some propaganda for the AI.

I asked the Artificial Intelligence, Chat GPT. 

1. Is CRT taught in grade (elementary) school? 

Critical race theory (CRT) is a framework for understanding and addressing racial inequality that is typically studied in college-level courses in fields such as law, education, sociology, and critical theory. It is not a subject that is typically taught in grade school.

2. Is CRT taught in high school? 

Critical Race Theory (CRT) is an academic framework that is used to examine the ways in which race and racism intersect with other forms of oppression, such as class, gender, and sexuality. It is not typically taught as a standalone subject in high school, but it may be covered as part of a social studies, history, or sociology course that discusses issues of race, inequality, and social justice. CRT is more commonly studied at the college level, as part of a course or program in fields such as law, education, or ethnic studies. 

So basically you admit it's not just taught in grad school level law. The OP is a LIAR.. 

Edited January 9, 2023 by West

[reason10]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

What place have you proven it is taught? Can you name a school and class?

 

I looked. I found classes at UCLA law school, Duke law school, University of Pittsburgh School of Education (teaching how to teach it), Columbia Law School, Vanderbilt Law School, Stanford Law School, University of Mississippi Law.... So, mostly law school. Not grade school. Not high school, although U Conn just added an undergraduate class in CRT. 

So what? You LIED. You said CRT was NOT being taught in any K-12 public school, ONLY at the Juris Doctorate level at universities. And that was a LIE. I proved it.

You are a LIAR.

[Rebound]

6 minutes ago, West said:

So basically you admit it's not just taught in grad school level law. The OP is a LIAR.. 

CRT has been graduate school curriculum since the 1970’s. With all the Hoo-Hah you guys created about it, it’s taught in one college that we know of, in an upper division class. That’s still a far cry from elementary and secondary school.  

[West]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

West, this is what you need to understand:

When one learns new information, even though it contradicts an initial point, it is perfectly ok in my book to post the update because my goal is accuracy of information not to defend my initial position. That is the thinking of a fanatic. 

To answer your questions after reading and consulting the AI God, and I quote: but it may be covered (highschool) as part of a social studies, history, or sociology course that discusses issues of race, inequality, and social justice. CRT is more commonly studied at the college level. 

After three pages we FINALLY have come to the conclusion CRT IS NOT just for grad school law. Thank you. 

Now to answer your question, there are elements within the school system lefties have repackaged under a different name, buy is still CRT garbage. 

Thank you!

[reason10]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

West, this is what you need to understand:

When one learns new information, even though it contradicts an initial point, it is perfectly ok in my book to post the update because my goal is accuracy of information -> not to defend my initial position. That is the thinking of a fanatic. I am a pragmatic. 

To answer your questions after reading and consulting the AI God, and I quote: but it may be covered (highschool) as part of a social studies, history, or sociology course that discusses issues of race, inequality, and social justice. CRT is more commonly studied at the college level. 

And THAT'S a lie:

https://www.flgov.com/2021/12/15/governor-desantis-announces-legislative-proposal-to-stop-w-o-k-e-activism-and-critical-race-theory-in-schools-and-corporations/

National examples of Critical Race Theory include:

• A Philadelphia elementary school forced fifth-graders to celebrate “Black communism” and simulated a Black Power rally to “free Angela Davis” from prison. At this school, 87 percent of students will fail to achieve basic literacy by graduation. More here.
• Seattle Public Schools told teachers that the education system is guilty of “spirit murder” against black children and that white teachers must “bankrupt [their] privilege in acknowledgement of [their] thieved inheritance.” More here.
• San Diego Public Schools accused white teachers of being colonizers on stolen Native American land and told them “you are racist” and “you are upholding racist ideas, structures, and policies.” They recommended that the teachers undergo “antiracist therapy.” More here.
• An elementary school in Cupertino, California forced third-graders to deconstruct their racial identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” More here.
• A middle school in Springfield, Missouri, forced teachers to locate themselves on an “oppression matrix,” claiming that white heterosexual Protestant males are inherently oppressors and must atone for their “covert white supremacy.” More here.
• Buffalo Public Schools taught students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forced kindergarteners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time. More here.
• The Arizona Department of Education created an “equity” toolkit claiming that babies show the first signs of racism at three months old and that white children become ”strongly biased in favor of whiteness” by age five. More here.

These are specific examples of this RACIST crap being taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS k-12.

So YOU ARE A LIAR, TOO.

[West]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

CRT has been graduate school curriculum since the 1970’s. With all the Hoo-Hah you guys created about it, it’s taught in one college that we know of, in an upper division class. That’s still a far cry from elementary and secondary school.  

You LIE again.. 

Anybody who has taken any post secondary know this garbage is taught.

[West]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

And THAT'S a lie:

https://www.flgov.com/2021/12/15/governor-desantis-announces-legislative-proposal-to-stop-w-o-k-e-activism-and-critical-race-theory-in-schools-and-corporations/

National examples of Critical Race Theory include:

• A Philadelphia elementary school forced fifth-graders to celebrate “Black communism” and simulated a Black Power rally to “free Angela Davis” from prison. At this school, 87 percent of students will fail to achieve basic literacy by graduation. More here.
• Seattle Public Schools told teachers that the education system is guilty of “spirit murder” against black children and that white teachers must “bankrupt [their] privilege in acknowledgement of [their] thieved inheritance.” More here.
• San Diego Public Schools accused white teachers of being colonizers on stolen Native American land and told them “you are racist” and “you are upholding racist ideas, structures, and policies.” They recommended that the teachers undergo “antiracist therapy.” More here.
• An elementary school in Cupertino, California forced third-graders to deconstruct their racial identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” More here.
• A middle school in Springfield, Missouri, forced teachers to locate themselves on an “oppression matrix,” claiming that white heterosexual Protestant males are inherently oppressors and must atone for their “covert white supremacy.” More here.
• Buffalo Public Schools taught students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forced kindergarteners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time. More here.
• The Arizona Department of Education created an “equity” toolkit claiming that babies show the first signs of racism at three months old and that white children become ”strongly biased in favor of whiteness” by age five. More here.

These are specific examples of this RACIST crap being taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS k-12.

So YOU ARE A LIAR, TOO.

CRT isn't just a theory, it's a way of life for the lefties

[OftenWrong]

28 minutes ago, Rebound said:

But that, however, is not Critical Race Theory. 

Of course it most certainly is, as it addresses the CRT issues. It is a practical implementation of CRT.

Still don't think so? Too bad.

I guess you'll have to argue with these folks.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2022/07/parental-pushback-the-fight-against-critical-race-theory-at-an-ontario-school-board/

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, reason10 said:

And THAT'S a lie:

https://www.flgov.com/2021/12/15/governor-desantis-announces-legislative-proposal-to-stop-w-o-k-e-activism-and-critical-race-theory-in-schools-and-corporations/

National examples of Critical Race Theory include:

• A Philadelphia elementary school forced fifth-graders to celebrate “Black communism” and simulated a Black Power rally to “free Angela Davis” from prison. At this school, 87 percent of students will fail to achieve basic literacy by graduation. More here.
• Seattle Public Schools told teachers that the education system is guilty of “spirit murder” against black children and that white teachers must “bankrupt [their] privilege in acknowledgement of [their] thieved inheritance.” More here.
• San Diego Public Schools accused white teachers of being colonizers on stolen Native American land and told them “you are racist” and “you are upholding racist ideas, structures, and policies.” They recommended that the teachers undergo “antiracist therapy.” More here.
• An elementary school in Cupertino, California forced third-graders to deconstruct their racial identities, then rank themselves according to their “power and privilege.” More here.
• A middle school in Springfield, Missouri, forced teachers to locate themselves on an “oppression matrix,” claiming that white heterosexual Protestant males are inherently oppressors and must atone for their “covert white supremacy.” More here.
• Buffalo Public Schools taught students that “all white people” perpetuate systemic racism and forced kindergarteners to watch a video of dead black children warning them about “racist police and state-sanctioned violence” who might kill them at any time. More here.
• The Arizona Department of Education created an “equity” toolkit claiming that babies show the first signs of racism at three months old and that white children become ”strongly biased in favor of whiteness” by age five. More here.

These are specific examples of this RACIST crap being taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS k-12.

So YOU ARE A LIAR, TOO.

But those things are not Critical Race Theory. 

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Of course it most certainly is, as it addresses the CRT issues. It is a practical implementation of CRT.

Still don't think so? Too bad.

I guess you'll have to argue with these folks.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2022/07/parental-pushback-the-fight-against-critical-race-theory-at-an-ontario-school-board/

You found a conservatively biased publication which thinks so. But what are children actually taught in this curriculum? Whether it is CRT or not (it is not), what is harmful about the curriculum?  
 

The article claims that the curriculum will make white students believe that their success is based upon their race. But is that actually the curriculum? What if the purpose and effect of the curriculum is to help students realize where racism exists in society? Maybe that’s what the opponents are actually trying to prevent, because maybe they want racism to continue. 

[reason10]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

But those things are not Critical Race Theory. 

Yes they are.

Critical Race Theory is racist and it is a LIE.

And Florida public schools remain the top schools in the country once again. Down here, your kids will NOT become racists because of our public schools. Your kids will have to become racists the old fashioned way: by registering Democrat.

[reason10]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

You found a conservatively biased publication which thinks so. But what are children actually taught in this curriculum? Whether it is CRT or not (it is not), what is harmful about the curriculum?  
 

The article claims that the curriculum will make white students believe that their success is based upon their race. But is that actually the curriculum? What if the purpose and effect of the curriculum is to help students realize where racism exists in society? Maybe that’s what the opponents are actually trying to prevent, because maybe they want racism to continue. 

I found SEVERAL diverse and reliable sources which proved that you are a LIAR. And all you can do is try to spin this TRUTH.

Does it matter if a source is conservative, (when most of the information you Nazis spew at us come from goose stepping extremist LEFT WING rags, like THE VIEW, CNN, PMSNBC, and other KKK rags?

[West]

Now that we've established that CRT is not just a masters level law course and is in fact being taught in school, to answer the question "what's wrong with CRT"? 

On its face, nothing is wrong with telling kids not to be dinks to others based on skin tone. 

The issue primarily lay with the embellishment within the theory. A very tiny percentage of white people owned slaves as an example, yet they want to attribute it to all white people. This then leads to the demand for reparations and unfair advantages based on skin tone. 

It all take away from personal responsibility. People can now act like dinks because they are "victims"

[Rebound]

3 minutes ago, West said:

Now that we've established that CRT is not just a masters level law course and is in fact being taught in school, to answer the question "what's wrong with CRT"? 

On its face, nothing is wrong with telling kids not to be dinks to others based on skin tone. 

The issue primarily lay with the embellishment within the theory. A very tiny percentage of white people owned slaves as an example, yet they want to attribute it to all white people. This then leads to the demand for reparations and unfair advantages based on skin tone. 

It all take away from personal responsibility. People can now act like dinks because they are "victims"

What percent of white people participated in Jim Crow in the South? (Hint: It’s a number higher than 99).

[reason10]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOU HAVE NOT POINTED TO ANY CRT TEXTBOOK. Stop LYING

There is no need to point to textbooks, you cretin. I provided RELIABLE AND ACCURATE SOURCES, proving this racist crap IS being taught in K-12 public schools in parts of the country. The original post tried to say they weren't. I proved that post to be a LIE.

And I don't know why you would want anyone to post an actual public school textbook, since it's fairly obvious you never actually opened one.

[reason10]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What percent of white people participated in Jim Crow in the South? (Hint: It’s a number higher than 99).

DEMOCRAT PARTY JIM CROW.

And it was the Republican Party who overturned the DEMOCRAT JIM CROW, assisted by THIS famous Republican.

[West]

20 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What percent of white people participated in Jim Crow in the South? (Hint: It’s a number higher than 99).

So then sue the Democrat Party..

I dont get why a white person thousands of miles away and not even alive during that time is being lumped in with the Democrats of the 1960s. 

Democrat tactics haven't changed one iota. They are still going at people based on their race and religion. They just switched up which skin tone they find reprehensible now

Edited January 10, 2023 by West

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, West said:

So then sue the Democrat Party..

I dont get why a white person thousands of miles away and not even alive during that time is being lumped in with the Democrats of the 1960s. 

Democrat tactics haven't changed one iota. They are still going at people based on their race and religion. They just switched up which skin tone they find reprehensible now

But you have not explained what is wrong with the curriculum. You are making over-generalizations and falsehoods about it. But you can’t point to something it specifically teaches and explain what’s bad about it.  You’re also conflating a complex legal framework with any curriculum taught about racism. 
 

[West]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

But you have not explained what is wrong with the curriculum. You are making over-generalizations and falsehoods about it. But you can’t point to something it specifically teaches and explain what’s bad about it.  You’re also conflating a complex legal framework with any curriculum taught about racism. 
 

I have you just choose to remain stubborn.. just as you were when proven wrong about CRT only being taught in graduate law school. 

As I've already told you, I've sat in enough of those lectures to know they are just politically charged, racist in tone, divisive, grievance fests. If you disagree with anything in the curriculum, especially at the University level, they threaten you. Just a cesspool of racism and outrage

Edited January 10, 2023 by West

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What percent of white people participated in Jim Crow in the South? (Hint: It’s a number higher than 99).

You know that's incredibly stupid, right? 

By the same token I could say that more than 99% of black people owned slaves. 

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What percent of white people participated in Jim Crow in the South? (Hint: It’s a number higher than 99).

Not only was your answer completely wrong, you dodged important talking points to belch it out.

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The issue primarily lay with the embellishment within the theory. A very tiny percentage of white people owned slaves as an example, yet they want to attribute it to all white people. This then leads to the demand for reparations and unfair advantages based on skin tone. 

The person whom you so snottily replied to made good points about how the topic of slavery is talked about by CRTtards, whose screed is a lesson in revisionist history. 

Here are a few relevant facts that people who are brainwashed by CRT need to know:

1) Not all whites in the owned slaves (it's obvious, but the people credulous enough to listen to CRT would have no clue) 

2) Slave-ownership is not a uniquely white phenomenon

3) Black people have owned slaves just like every other race. The Moores, for example, had millions of slaves.

4) Black people in the United States owned slaves

5) No other race of people abolished slavery when they were the dominant culture, only whites.

As far as your beloved Dem party is concerned, they only proposed the Civil Rights Act bill to gain black votes. Their own party didn't even support it to the same extent as the Republicans did. 

I challenge you to find another bill presented anywhere in the history of democracy which received more support from across the aisle than from the party who tabled it....

https://oliverwillis.com/who-passed-the-civil-rights-act/

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A majority of Democrats voted for the bill in the House.

152 – 96 

A majority of Republicans voted for the bill in the House.

138-34

A majority of Democrats voted for the bill in the Senate.

46-21

A majority of Republicans voted for the bill in the Senate.

27-6

So, even though it was officially a Demmie bill, 39% of Dem congressmen and 31% of Dem senators voted against it. In total, 130 Dems voted against it. 

By comparison, only 20% of GOP congressmen and and 18% of GOP senators voted against it. 

The Civil Rights Act of 1957 (black voting rights) was even more one-sided, with GOP voting Yea 84 and 93% of the time, Dems were 51 and 59% in favour of it. 

The KKK was actually the Dems' own militia back in the day, and now they have Antifa and BLM doing their dirty work.

Bottom line, the Dems have always been racially divisive lowlifes, it's nothing new.

[Michael Hardner]

15 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Of course it most certainly is, as it addresses the CRT issues. It is a practical implementation of CRT.

Still don't think so? Too bad.

I guess you'll have to argue with these folks.

https://c2cjournal.ca/2022/07/parental-pushback-the-fight-against-critical-race-theory-at-an-ontario-school-board/

That link appears to misrepresent the teaching that is happening in elementary schools: 
"White privilege instruction teaches students that, if they’re white, the successes they experience are not primarily achieved through personal effort but are bestowed upon them because of the colour of their skin."

 

The last time this topic came up on these boards, it required a heavy deep dive into what was being alleged.  By the time all of the work is done by people on here that want to know the truth of it, the thread dies and the people pushing the allegations stop posting on it.

That is how I remember this discussion.  Let me know if I am wrong on that.

These unknown sources need to prove that they are responsible by delineating THEIR opinions from fact.  That is the basis of journalism - reporting vs opinion.  People who can't understand the difference and mix the two will muddy the waters and make discussion difficult.