Hunter Biden Laptop: No Crime Occurred. Prove Otherwise

[Rebound]

Obviously, guilt requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  So, if we are to believe that Rudy Giuliani, of all people, truly did provide  man unaltered set of files from an undoctored laptop, what crime occurred? 
 

Quote text of the statute which was broken, and the evidence which proves it. TBH,

 

I’m not sure how that laptop is actual evidence, but emails can trace to servers, if they were actually sent. For that matter, if an email is printed with a header, you can often cryptographically verify it. 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Rebound

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

The laptop story will be over exaggerated now by the right wing. Why not? Is good political marketing to get more voters. 

Is part of the game. 

The main issue here it seems, how is it that the previous leadership at Twitter was acting at political orders to suppress/manipulate the information?

Go Elon Musk. Change was needed.  = ) 

No. Has nothing to do with Twitter.  ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, if there is no damning evidence in that laptop, then it is fake news and it was right to not publish it.  I think responsible media shouldn’t publish “November Surprise” stories, unless they’re verified.  

Edited December 15, 2022 by Rebound

[robosmith]

27 minutes ago, Rebound said:

No. Has nothing to do with Twitter.  ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, if there is no damning evidence in that laptop, then it is fake news and it was right to not publish it.  I think responsible media shouldn’t publish “November Surprise” stories, unless they’re verified.  

There are a number of cracks in that thread:

1. the release of the confidential information on the laptop was ILLEGAL under Delaware LAW

2. the chain of custody for the "evidence" is unverifiable.

3. a top expert (such as FSB or Internet Research Agency), could have created/modified fake content without leaving a trace.

4. when the NY Post first published the story, they REFUSED to provide the contents of the hard disk so anyone else could verify what was on it.

5. it was well known that Giuliani was working with contacts in the Ukrainian government to manufacture evidence against Joe/Hunter Biden to use in Trump's campaign.

Alleged Hunter Biden Emails Circulated in Ukraine as Rudy Giuliani Dug for Dirt There Last Year

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Explicit photos and emails purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden were circulating in Ukraine last year at the same time that Rudy Giuliani was searching for dirt there on former Vice President Joe Biden, two people approached about the material during that period tell TIME.

The emails’ alleged availability, which has not been previously reported, comes to light in the wake of Giuliani’s recent claims that he obtained private photos and emails of Hunter Biden from a broken laptop abandoned in Delaware. Giuliani, who is President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, has passed this material to right-wing news outlets, which began publishing it last week. Giuliani did not respond to requests for comment on the origins of the material he obtained.

 

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

 

The main issue here it seems, how is it that the previous leadership at Twitter was acting at political orders to suppress/manipulate the information?

Go Elon Musk. Change was needed.  = ) 

I think you're conflating a few different things here. 

Twitter suppressed the laptop story for 1 day, not at the request of any political operative, but out of their own desire to NOT be weaponized against the American people as they were in 2016. Once bitten, twice shy.

Remember, that story was so sketchy when it broke that the original writers at the NY Post wouldn't put their name on it and FOX wouldn't cover it. That's how suspect the whole thing was. 

Do you really think it's unreasonable for Twitter to deliberate internally for a day about whether or not they should give a global platform to a potentially election-swaying story with potentially stolen files of wildly improbable provenance? Reading those emails is watching them suffer through that deliberation. Rock and a hard place. I think they did okay. 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Hodad

[Rebound]

17 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I think you're conflating a few different things here. 

Twitter suppressed the laptop story for 1 day, not at the request of any political operative, but out of their own desire to NOT be weaponized against the American people as they were in 2016. Once bitten, twice shy.

Remember, that story was so sketchy when it broke that the original writers at the NY Post wouldn't put their name on it and FOX wouldn't cover it. That's how suspect the whole thing was. 

Do you really think it's unreasonable for Twitter to deliberate internally for a day about whether or not they should give a global platform to a potentially election-swaying story with potentially stolen files of wildly improbable provenance? Reading those emails is watching them suffer through that deliberation. Rock and a hard place. I think they did okay. 

The laptop story is so sketchy that not even one conservative here will claim it’s true. 

[TomT]

Isn't interesting how good the right-wing dingbats are at inventing far out, weird, strange, unproven, improbable, desperately important fantasies? It has gotten a lot worse since Washington, DC legalized pot.

"We are Republicans and conspiracy is our game" should be printed somewhere on their business cards.

Nobody is better at wacko world attention capture. Their groupies go ape-shit crazy over every new category of conspiracy theory with heartfelt hyperventilating hysteria. Fortunately for their mental health, they are incapable of riding any one of their dead horses very far. 

It's like watching someone kick a big ant mound. Suddenly, out of apparently nowhere, seemingly 10's of thousands of ants come swarming out looking for a fight. They don't much about why or who but they know "that’s what we do."

It's as if the right-wingers are constantly trying to find another cartoon character to replace Wile-E Coyote as America's number 1 enemy. 

Unfortunately, those right-wingers are a darn site better at entertainment than government. Someone should suggest that the right-wing dingbats in the House and Senate should take a pay cut as they are only working at governing part time.

 

However, when their orange jesus does a face plant, they are always ready to send in the clowns.

[herbie]

I've now sold 3 WinDoh's PCs named "HunteBidensLaptop" to help conspiracy theorists find the 'truth'.

Going by 30 years of experience, if I sell 17 more then ONE might even notice and rename it within 5 years time.

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

so wait, who broke the law, Musk? Is the great state of Delaware going to sue now Musk or ban him from the state? What are the consequences of this act? 

It was the shop owner first, and NY Post 2nd for publishing it. I'd expect both are responsible under DE law.

17 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I am serious, I did not even understand what Hunter did as Hunter Biden does not interest me. As if Donald Trump Jr. was not cozing it up with Russian lawyers in bars around New York, allegedly. Apparently Kushner was there too, rumours only. 

The responses and the so called "Debates" = "Handled" = this is what Twitter was before a professional took over. Now they are getting exposed for being political activists (the previous leadership of Twitter). 

Elon Musk is doing this, credit to him, he supports independents, he banned neo-nazis like rapper "Ye", David Duke is also not allowed on the platform and many more to follow. The man deserves the credit until he goes off the rails. 

The big story is Twitter, the right wing taking advantage of this and exaggerating what happened for propaganda purposes, that is normal. 

AKA, LYING.

[Rebound]

49 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

so wait, who broke the law, Musk? Is the great state of Delaware going to sue now Musk or ban him from the state? What are the consequences of this act? 

I am serious, I did not even understand what Hunter did as Hunter Biden does not interest me. As if Donald Trump Jr. was not cozing it up with Russian lawyers in bars around New York, allegedly. Apparently Kushner was there too, rumours only. 

The responses and the so called "Debates" = "Handled" = this is what Twitter was before a professional took over. Now they are getting exposed for being political activists (the previous leadership of Twitter). 

Elon Musk is doing this, credit to him, he supports independents, he banned neo-nazis like rapper "Ye", David Duke is also not allowed on the platform and many more to follow. The man deserves the credit until he goes off the rails. 

The big story is Twitter, the right wing taking advantage of this and exaggerating what happened for propaganda purposes, that is normal. 

I disagree.

Twitter had plenty of free speech of all sorts, but they realized they’d been played in 2016, and they didn’t want it to happen again. 
 

Let’s distinguish some things: Conservative THOUGHT AND SPEECH has never been banned by Twitter.  Not one iota. What they banned was dirt: Deliberate falsehoods and unverified claims, which exploded with regard to Covid.  People were allowed to say that they didn’t want to get vaccinated, or wear masks..   and people did that every day. But making false or unproven claims about vaccine safety crossed the line. You could still say, “I do not want to take the vaccine because I don’t think it’s safe,” but not, “I know the vaccine is unsafe.”  
 

“I know the vaccine is unsafe” is not political speech, it is simply lying, unless you have actual evidence. But, frankly, the crazies still get a lot of latitude.  Trump didn’t get banned for blatant TOS violations and it was only after trying to overthrow the government that he was justifiably banned.  

[West]

On 12/15/2022 at 11:43 AM, Rebound said:

Obviously, guilt requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt.  So, if we are to believe that Rudy Giuliani, of all people, truly did provide  man unaltered set of files from an undoctored laptop, what crime occurred? 
 

Quote text of the statute which was broken, and the evidence which proves it. TBH,

 

I’m not sure how that laptop is actual evidence, but emails can trace to servers, if they were actually sent. For that matter, if an email is printed with a header, you can often cryptographically verify it. 

You are probably right that no crime occured but that's only because guys like Slow Joe Biden have been writing loopholes into law for the past 50 years to allow for their sketchy behavior. 

They even set up a tax payer funded hush money fund to pay off all the girls they sexually assaulted over the years

Edited December 19, 2022 by West

[West]

On 12/15/2022 at 5:11 PM, Rebound said:

I disagree.

Twitter had plenty of free speech of all sorts, but they realized they’d been played in 2016, and they didn’t want it to happen again. 
 

Let’s distinguish some things: Conservative THOUGHT AND SPEECH has never been banned by Twitter.  Not one iota. What they banned was dirt: Deliberate falsehoods and unverified claims, which exploded with regard to Covid.  People were allowed to say that they didn’t want to get vaccinated, or wear masks..   and people did that every day. But making false or unproven claims about vaccine safety crossed the line. You could still say, “I do not want to take the vaccine because I don’t think it’s safe,” but not, “I know the vaccine is unsafe.”  
 

“I know the vaccine is unsafe” is not political speech, it is simply lying, unless you have actual evidence. But, frankly, the crazies still get a lot of latitude.  Trump didn’t get banned for blatant TOS violations and it was only after trying to overthrow the government that he was justifiably banned.  

Wrong.. twitter banned the New York Post for posting truthful information about Hunter Biden

[Infidel Dog]

This guy does the best Trump imitation around and he's hilarious.

Here he does Trump "singing" a Christmas Carol on the story of Hunter's laptop:

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[West]

On 12/15/2022 at 1:20 PM, robosmith said:

There are a number of cracks in that thread:

1. the release of the confidential information on the laptop was ILLEGAL under Delaware LAW

2. the chain of custody for the "evidence" is unverifiable.

3. a top expert (such as FSB or Internet Research Agency), could have created/modified fake content without leaving a trace.

4. when the NY Post first published the story, they REFUSED to provide the contents of the hard disk so anyone else could verify what was on it.

5. it was well known that Giuliani was working with contacts in the Ukrainian government to manufacture evidence against Joe/Hunter Biden to use in Trump's campaign.

Alleged Hunter Biden Emails Circulated in Ukraine as Rudy Giuliani Dug for Dirt There Last Year

 

 

Another left wing conspiracy theory. Sad

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

Another left wing conspiracy theory. Sad

See, you cannot understand the difference between truth and lying.

What's sad is, you have NO EVIDENCE for rebuttal. As usual.

[Rebound]

On 12/21/2022 at 12:34 PM, West said:

Another left wing conspiracy theory. Sad

Tell us what law was broken and the evidence for making that claim.  

[Rebound]

On 12/20/2022 at 4:56 PM, Infidel Dog said:

This guy does the best Trump imitation around and he's hilarious.

Here he does Trump "singing" a Christmas Carol on the story of Hunter's laptop:

 

Tell us what law was broken and the evidence which proves it.  

[West]

On 12/21/2022 at 1:27 PM, robosmith said:

See, you cannot understand the difference between truth and lying.

What's sad is, you have NO EVIDENCE for rebuttal. As usual.

No you just discount anything that doesn't fit your confirmation bias as a lie. 

[West]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Tell us what law was broken and the evidence for making that claim.  

If no laws were broken its because guys like Joe have rigged the system. And you just applaud 

[Rebound]

On 12/19/2022 at 11:29 AM, West said:

Wrong.. twitter banned the New York Post for posting truthful information about Hunter Biden

The New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch. He could have had the Post’s story appear on Fox News 24 hours a day. He could have put it front page on the Wall Street Journal. He could have put it on 100 local Fox News affiliates. So why is Twitter the bad guy in this? Why isn’t the owner of the New York Post the bad guy?  Unless he knew the story was BS. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Rebound

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, West said:

If no laws were broken its because guys like Joe have rigged the system. And you just applaud 

Tell us what wrong-doing occurred and what law should have existed.  For bonus points, tell us what relevant law Biden changed as a US Senator. 
 

See, what I think is that you hear this nonsense on talk radio or wherever, and it sounds good so you believe it, and it gets you riled up… but someone like me, asking you very basic questions about it, shows you that nothing wrong happened.  
 

Now, it does seem to me that Hunter got the Burisma job because his father was VP.  But that’s all there is to it.  And the US Senate and US Congress all know that if Hunter will be investigated just because his dad is famous, it will mean that the children of every Congressman and Senator will ALSO be investigated for the exact same thing. This is why I keep saying that the most important thing you need to know about Hunter Biden’s laptop is that Saudi Arabia gave Jared Kushner $2 billion.  No person can say that one of those is right and the other is wrong. You simply cannot. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, West said:

No you just discount anything that doesn't fit your confirmation bias as a lie. 

Only if by "anything" you mean YOUR UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINIONS.

You're wrong. PRESENT EVIDENCE if you want to be believed.

[Nationalist]

There may be a crime or three and there may not.

But one thing is for sure. The Biden family will be dragged through the mud...as they deserve.

Same with the FBI...CIA and assorted others...as they also deserve.

It'll be fun...you'll see...

 

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

There may be a crime or three and there may not.

But one thing is for sure. The Biden family will be dragged through the mud...as they deserve.

Same with the FBI...CIA and assorted others...as they also deserve.

It'll be fun...you'll see...

 

^YOU AGAIN defending FRAUDULENT. You sure look like you believe the TRUTH doesn't matter because YOU'RE a FRAUD.

Of course you HAVE NO EVIDENCE for your OPINION that "dragged through the mud" is something "they deserve."

You're just a partisan hack who repeatedly defends FRAUDULENT by YOUR TEAM.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^YOU AGAIN defending FRAUDULENT. You sure look like you believe the TRUTH doesn't matter because YOU'RE a FRAUD.

Of course you HAVE NO EVIDENCE for your OPINION that "dragged through the mud" is something "they deserve."

You're just a partisan hack who repeatedly defends FRAUDULENT by YOUR TEAM.

Lol...cry me a river Libbie.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...cry me a river Libbie.

What is the wrongdoing?