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More lies from the CRT crowd, spewed on MSLSD, the lowest rated news source in the galaxy.

MSNBC's Joy Reid blasts 'the myth' of Thanksgiving: 'Our birth was violent'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbcs-joy-reid-blasts-myth-thanksgiving-birth-violent

 

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MSNBC’s Joy Reid celebrated the night before Thanksgiving by attacking "the myth" that she claims is pushed by Republicans that the nation’s founding was anything but violent.

The "ReidOut" host opened her show by starting to "unpack" Thanksgiving despite it being a cherished tradition for Americans.

"Tonight, we begin with Thanksgiving, the day we gather with friends and family to enjoy turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes and pumpkin pie. We throw on the game, catch up on with lives and discuss or quite possibly argue about religion and politics. For millions of Americans, it’s been a cherished tradition, and as Americans, we value those traditions. But it is also important to unpack the myth of Thanksgiving," Reid said.

She continued, "It is a holiday riddled with historical inaccuracies, built on this myth that the indigenous welcomed their colonizers with open arms and ears of corn. A simplistic fairytale interpretation of a 1621 encounter between indigenous tribes and English settlers that erases the genocide that followed. It is the truth that Republicans want banned from our textbooks because here is the secret they want so desperately to keep: We are a country founded on violence. Our birth was violent."

Reid invoked information from the "1619 Project" to accuse America of continuing to perpetuate violence and even white supremacy,

"In 1619, a ship with more than 20 enslaved Africans landed in Virginia, ushering in two centuries of American slavery that left millions in chains dead. With those humans in bondage finally free, a terrorist organization that was a card-carrying member of polite society, the Ku Klux Klan, picked up where the Civil War ended, using violence to maintain White supremacy. The Klan and its ilk are still active and as Americans, we continue to choose violence. We are a country that chooses violence over and over again. There is no facet of American society untouched by it," Reid said.

 

This is worse than racist.

THIS IS BRAIN DEAD.

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Celebrating and being thankful for the autumn harvest seems pretty racist to me.

I'm sure there's historical inaccuracies in a lot of narratives we tell ourselves, and it's fine to acknowledge it, but i don't think we should demonize the holiday entirely for it.  The left are big party poopers on our holidays for some reason, they dwell on the negative in everything.  Yet the right seems to like to deny that these negatives even exist.

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17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Celebrating and being thankful for the autumn harvest seems pretty racist to me.

I'm sure there's historical inaccuracies in a lot of narratives we tell ourselves, and it's fine to acknowledge it, but i don't think we should demonize the holiday entirely for it.  The left are big party poopers on our holidays for some reason, they dwell on the negative in everything.  Yet the right seems to like to deny that these negatives even exist.

Mainstream Conservatives (who make up the educated class in America) have no problem recognizing the existence of the negatives. Humans are a flawed race. We aren't perfect. Our past, our history, is filled with evil.

Thing is, unlike the uneducated crack head liberals who want to blame living people for the sins of those who have been worm food for centuries, Conservatives believe we're lucky if we can catch a perp in the act of committing murder and maybe put that animal down.

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2 hours ago, reason10 said:

Mainstream Conservatives (who make up the educated class in America) have no problem recognizing the existence of the negatives. Humans are a flawed race. We aren't perfect. Our past, our history, is filled with evil.

As usual, you've confidentially stated as fact the exact opposite of reality. Lol

Democrats, as a group, are substantially better educated than Republicans. A college degree is now becoming a significant predictor is party affiliation. And the gap is even greater among people with graduate degrees. 

Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of white people without a college education--particularly men. 

Those are facts. As for what's driving those trends, I believe it's the erosion of white- and male privilege. For most of the history of this country being white and male was a leg up within any given social strata. Whether factories and farming or banking and business, white men were more likely to be hired, more likely to be promoted and to earn higher wages then minorities and women. All else being equal, white men could get ahead without trying as hard. 

Now though, as the playing field begins to level a bit, that privelege isn't what it used to be. They have to actually compete with women and minorities. And those without education are the least prepared to compete. They see it as a loss, this erosion of privelege -- and it truthfully is. Losing white, male privelege makes life harder for that demographic. It doesn't matter whether the privelege is right or wrong, they still feel the loss, and they'll fight it. So of course they'll turn away from the party that is more aligned to equality and embrace the party that works to keep women and minorities "in their place."

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26 minutes ago, Hodad said:

As usual, you've confidentially stated as fact the exact opposite of reality. Lol

Democrats, as a group, are substantially better educated than Republicans. A college degree is now becoming a significant predictor is party affiliation. And the gap is even greater among people with graduate degrees. 

Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of white people without a college education--particularly men. 

Those are facts. As for what's driving those trends, I believe it's the erosion of white- and male privilege. For most of the history of this country being white and male was a leg up within any given social strata. Whether factories and farming or banking and business, white men were more likely to be hired, more likely to be promoted and to earn higher wages then minorities and women. All else being equal, white men could get ahead without trying as hard. 

Now though, as the playing field begins to level a bit, that privelege isn't what it used to be. They have to actually compete with women and minorities. And those without education are the least prepared to compete. They see it as a loss, this erosion of privelege -- and it truthfully is. Losing white, male privelege makes life harder for that demographic. It doesn't matter whether the privelege is right or wrong, they still feel the loss, and they'll fight it. So of course they'll turn away from the party that is more aligned to equality and embrace the party that works to keep women and minorities "in their place."

All of that is a lie. And a stupid, ignorant lie.

Democrats have college degrees, mostly in sociology, lesbian dance theory, worthless degrees they are on the hook for six figures in student loans. That's where the Occupy Wall Street movement comes from. A bunch of dumbass college grads with  useless degrees that wouldn't buy them a burger flipping job.

Republicans have degrees in engineering, finance, law, etc. Donald Trump attended the Wharton School of Finance, which makes Harvard and Yale look like low grade community colleges. (Explains why he did a better job on the economy than Carter, KKKlinton, Obama and Unelected Joe, combined.

Democrats INVENTED racism. They are racists.

More and more blacks are becoming Republican, mostly because the GOP is the party of good economies, freedom, the rule of law, and liberty.

Democrats are mostly racist welfare bums, a lot of which are in this country illegally.

 

America doesn't have an economy without Republicans.

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3 hours ago, reason10 said:

All of that is a lie. And a stupid, ignorant lie.

Democrats have college degrees, mostly in sociology, lesbian dance theory, worthless degrees they are on the hook for six figures in student loans. That's where the Occupy Wall Street movement comes from. A bunch of dumbass college grads with  useless degrees that wouldn't buy them a burger flipping job.

Republicans have degrees in engineering, finance, law, etc. Donald Trump attended the Wharton School of Finance, which makes Harvard and Yale look like low grade community colleges. (Explains why he did a better job on the economy than Carter, KKKlinton, Obama and Unelected Joe, combined.

Democrats INVENTED racism. They are racists.

More and more blacks are becoming Republican, mostly because the GOP is the party of good economies, freedom, the rule of law, and liberty.

Democrats are mostly racist welfare bums, a lot of which are in this country illegally.

 

America doesn't have an economy without Republicans.

Wait, I thought that facts don't care about your feelings?

It's a fact, contrary to your assertion, that Democrats are better educated. Now, because you're a dishonest troll, you want to move the goalpost to say that Republicans are more educated in subjects that you, personally, find valuable. 

The reality of the marketplace though laughs at you. Unless you've been asleep (or deluded) for the last 40 years, rust-belt industries and other unskilled or semi-skilled jobs have given way to new economy jobs in tech, science, research, medicine etc. Knowledge workers, educated people skewing heavily Democrat. America builds less and creates more. And in this transition, there's a big population of uneducated workers who have been left behind. Unlike substitute teaching in Florida, a warm body and a GED won't cut it in the new economy.

You can't get by anymore without an education--or at a minimum some specialized training. That's the gateway to the middle class now. Everyone knows that. Even the a Republicans. Ironically, I worked with the Trump administration on their skills and training campaign trying to make that very point. (I held my nose and did the right thing because it was right.)

As educated people increasingly choose Democratic policies, Republicans will increasingly have to tailor their platform to the "left behind" crowd. They need to make up the numbers somehow.

And *those* Republicans, the uneducated, angry, fearful white men are no longer essential to the economy. They don't have skills that are in demand. They will be replaced by automation or by less entitled, more competitive minorities and women. 

 

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4 hours ago, Hodad said:

As usual, you've confidentially stated as fact the exact opposite of reality. Lol

Democrats, as a group, are substantially better educated than Republicans. A college degree is now becoming a significant predictor is party affiliation. And the gap is even greater among people with graduate degrees. 

Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of white people without a college education--particularly men. 

Those are facts. As for what's driving those trends, I believe it's the erosion of white- and male privilege. For most of the history of this country being white and male was a leg up within any given social strata. Whether factories and farming or banking and business, white men were more likely to be hired, more likely to be promoted and to earn higher wages then minorities and women. All else being equal, white men could get ahead without trying as hard. 

Now though, as the playing field begins to level a bit, that privelege isn't what it used to be. They have to actually compete with women and minorities. And those without education are the least prepared to compete. They see it as a loss, this erosion of privelege -- and it truthfully is. Losing white, male privelege makes life harder for that demographic. It doesn't matter whether the privelege is right or wrong, they still feel the loss, and they'll fight it. So of course they'll turn away from the party that is more aligned to equality and embrace the party that works to keep women and minorities "in their place."

Mostly accurate but I think there's also movements on the left that have taken the unfair privileges of whites and men and given them to POC and women in the form of affirmative action that is often more based on "feelings" than merit.

If you're going to take a job away from a white man and give it to a woman and/or a POC not based on merit but based on filling a diversity quota it's not in any way surprising that white men would want to support a party that opposes this.

Biden's Democrats did exactly this with his VP pick and his Supreme Court Justice pick, and Trudeau did the same with his cabinet picks and both of his GG picks.

Now, there's also just straight up racist and misogynist men and they find their way to the GOP too.

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Mostly accurate but I think there's also movements on the left that have taken the unfair privileges of whites and men and given them to POC and women in the form of affirmative action that is often more based on "feelings" than merit.

If you're going to take a job away from a white man and give it to a woman and/or a POC not based on merit but based on filling a diversity quota it's not in any way surprising that white men would want to support a party that opposes this.

Biden's Democrats did exactly this with his VP pick and his Supreme Court Justice pick, and Trudeau did the same with his cabinet picks and both of his GG picks.

Now, there's also just straight up racist and misogynist men and they find their way to the GOP too.

Yeah, that's basically true. I mean quotas aren't a thing anymore, but there is definitely an effort for better representation, diversity and inclusion of marginalized groups. Both for a sense of fairness and for, on the business side, enhanced performance. 

And to pursue that objective there is a conscious effort to shift some of the "benefit of the doubt" from the group that used to have exclusive access to groups that have not.

Of course, that's just a bridge. If our society, institutions and offices are representative, the built-in advantages disappear. 

 

ETA: more on quotas. It's much more organic than that now. Nobody says, "We're short on X, go hire one." Instead, for example, when I'm hiring I'm asking HR/recruiting for a diverse slate of candidatesv and then hire the best candidate. If you only interview five white guys from ivy league schools, that's who gets hired. If you see a diversity of talent you naturally end up with a more diverse team.

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1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Yeah, that's basically true. I mean quotas aren't a thing anymore, but there is definitely an effort for better representation, diversity and inclusion of marginalized groups. Both for a sense of fairness and for, on the business side, enhanced performance. 

And to pursue that objective there is a conscious effort to shift some of the "benefit of the doubt" from the group that used to have exclusive access to groups that have not.

Of course, that's just a bridge. If our society, institutions and offices are representative, the built-in advantages disappear. 

Define "representative"?  The racial and gender makeup of a company and its hierarchy are the same proportion to the general population?  That doesn't work.  People like Asians and Jewish people will be discriminated against, because they achieve education and career success at higher rates per capita than others.

The only fair way to hire is to hire the best person for the job regardless of race or gender, unless the job qualifications specifically would benefit from someone of a certain background.

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

ETA: more on quotas. It's much more organic than that now. Nobody says, "We're short on X, go hire one.

Joe Biden did exactly that with his VP pick and Supreme Court pick.  Trudeau did exactly that with his cabinet picks and both GG picks.

Define "organic".  From what I see it just seems like people pulling decisions on diversity hires out of their butts with no clear or consistent criteria for justifying selection whatsoever.  It's pretty random and based on "feelings".  But this is "ok" because people don't feel bad about discriminating against white people, men, or asians apparently.  They still sleep at night and even pat themselves on the back.  Meanwhile Keith the white guy doesn't have a job because he wasn't the right skin colour or had the wrong sex parts, or Fukodomo doesn't have a job because he wasn't the right skin colour.

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Instead, for example, when I'm hiring I'm asking HR/recruiting for a diverse slate of candidatesv and then hire the best candidate. If you only interview five white guys from ivy league schools, that's who gets hired. If you see a diversity of talent you naturally end up with a more diverse team.

You're not hiring the best candidate based on merit if that's what you're doing.  This is discrimination based on racism and sexism if you're making hiring pool decisions based on race and gender.  These things shouldn't matter in hiring decisions, unless the qualifications of the job would specifically benefit from someone of a certain background (ie: school with majority black children that has little to no black teachers).

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17 hours ago, Hodad said:

As usual, you've confidentially stated as fact the exact opposite of reality. Lol

Democrats, as a group, are substantially better educated than Republicans. A college degree is now becoming a significant predictor is party affiliation. And the gap is even greater among people with graduate degrees. 

Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of white people without a college education--particularly men. 

Those are facts. As for what's driving those trends, I believe it's the erosion of white- and male privilege. For most of the history of this country being white and male was a leg up within any given social strata. Whether factories and farming or banking and business, white men were more likely to be hired, more likely to be promoted and to earn higher wages then minorities and women. All else being equal, white men could get ahead without trying as hard. 

Now though, as the playing field begins to level a bit, that privelege isn't what it used to be. They have to actually compete with women and minorities. And those without education are the least prepared to compete. They see it as a loss, this erosion of privelege -- and it truthfully is. Losing white, male privelege makes life harder for that demographic. It doesn't matter whether the privelege is right or wrong, they still feel the loss, and they'll fight it. So of course they'll turn away from the party that is more aligned to equality and embrace the party that works to keep women and minorities "in their place."

According to the Pew surveys:

Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees. The Democrats’ edge is narrower among those with college degrees or some post-graduate experience (49%-42%), and those with less education (47%-39%).

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13 hours ago, Hodad said:

Wait, I thought that facts don't care about your feelings?

It's a fact, contrary to your assertion, that Democrats are better educated. Now, because you're a dishonest troll, you want to move the goalpost to say that Republicans are more educated in subjects that you, personally, find valuable. 

The reality of the marketplace though laughs at you. Unless you've been asleep (or deluded) for the last 40 years, rust-belt industries and other unskilled or semi-skilled jobs have given way to new economy jobs in tech, science, research, medicine etc. Knowledge workers, educated people skewing heavily Democrat. America builds less and creates more. And in this transition, there's a big population of uneducated workers who have been left behind. Unlike substitute teaching in Florida, a warm body and a GED won't cut it in the new economy.

You can't get by anymore without an education--or at a minimum some specialized training. That's the gateway to the middle class now. Everyone knows that. Even the a Republicans. Ironically, I worked with the Trump administration on their skills and training campaign trying to make that very point. (I held my nose and did the right thing because it was right.)

As educated people increasingly choose Democratic policies, Republicans will increasingly have to tailor their platform to the "left behind" crowd. They need to make up the numbers somehow.

And *those* Republicans, the uneducated, angry, fearful white men are no longer essential to the economy. They don't have skills that are in demand. They will be replaced by automation or by less entitled, more competitive minorities and women. 

 

You just got a post disagreeing with your bullschitt and I'm the troll?

This is racist.

And *those* Republicans, the uneducated, angry, fearful white men are no longer essential to the economy. They don't have skills that are in demand. They will be replaced by automation or by less entitled, more competitive minorities and women.

Then again, perhaps THESE angry, fearful whiteys are on longer essential to the economy.

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They have yet to produce a single product, a single service, a single job.

 

 

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On 11/26/2022 at 8:26 AM, reason10 said:

You just got a post disagreeing with your bullschitt and I'm the troll?

This is racist.

And *those* Republicans, the uneducated, angry, fearful white men are no longer essential to the economy. They don't have skills that are in demand. They will be replaced by automation or by less entitled, more competitive minorities and women.

Then again, perhaps THESE angry, fearful whiteys are on longer essential to the economy.

tth?id=OIP.4mfvoBGRFMtlFTy8f8RMJQHaEo&pid

They have yet to produce a single product, a single service, a single job.

 

 

There's nothing racist about it. People used to coasting on privilege are going to have to get skilled and compete or be left behind. Instead of spending time at Trump rallies and waiting for him to restore their "divine right to rule" they should be out getting a cybersecurity credential or figuring out some other way to make themselves useful.

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On 11/26/2022 at 8:32 AM, reason10 said:

Boys and girls, more proof that liberals are children.

This thread is about an uber RACIST hack from PMSNBC claiming Thanksgiving is a myth then spewing that 1619 crap.

So far, NO liberal has even mentioned it.

You lefties are children. You are stupid.

Reid said this, and I agree with it. It is simple fact:

”In 1619, a ship with more than 20 enslaved Africans landed in Virginia, ushering in two centuries of American slavery that left millions in chains dead. With those humans in bondage finally free, a terrorist organization that was a card-carrying member of polite society, the Ku Klux Klan, picked up where the Civil War ended, using violence to maintain White supremacy. The Klan and its ilk are still active.”

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On 11/25/2022 at 9:55 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Define "representative"?  The racial and gender makeup of a company and its hierarchy are the same proportion to the general population?  That doesn't work.  People like Asians and Jewish people will be discriminated against, because they achieve education and career success at higher rates per capita than others.

The only fair way to hire is to hire the best person for the job regardless of race or gender, unless the job qualifications specifically would benefit from someone of a certain background.

Yes, trending toward a makeup that reflects the general population. Not with quotas, but with an active interest. It's difficult to define "the best person for the job." It's not like a 40 yard dash where you know is fastest. Interviews have always been a soft, nebulous process, and because of it they are particularly prone to bias. People get a "better vibe" from people with whom they have more in common. Same interests, same school, some common point in their backgrounds. In that way it's a lot like making small talk at a cocktail party with relative strangers. This is called affinity bias. It's sort of an inescapable part of human nature--and there are a dozen or so other biases like that to be aware of. And if people aren't aware of their biases and actively course correcting, then they won't be hiring the "best candidate" but rather the most comfortable conversation. "This person is like me, so they will be a good fit."

Of course, the problem is that a bunch of people "like me" won't be the best team. There's ample research that shows that diverse--and deliberately diverse--teams and organizations outperform those without a diversity agenda. 

Part of the reason is obvious, in that a diversity of perspectives and backgrounds results in a diversity of ideas. And that bears real fruit rather quickly. Imagine designing something as simple as scissors. What's the perfect design? It's just math/science/research, right? But add a left-handed person on the team and you probably get a better answer that will perform better in the marketplace simply because they bring a different experience.

The other is, perhaps, subtler. When leadership is more homogenous those biases creep in again. White men, for example, are more likely to have more in common with other white men, and that trickles down to them being more likely to promote white men. And the bias plays the other way as well, if employees (even, and perhaps especially, superstar employees) who are outside of the leadership demographic won't relate as well to the leadership team. If they don't see themselves represented then they see themselves as excluded. And it ends up creating a sort of brain drain, particularly among high performers nearing a social ceiling. They are looking for greener pastures in more diverse organizations where they feel like they have a fair shot.

 

 

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Define "organic".  From what I see it just seems like people pulling decisions on diversity hires out of their butts with no clear or consistent criteria for justifying selection whatsoever.  It's pretty random and based on "feelings".  But this is "ok" because people don't feel bad about discriminating against white people, men, or asians apparently.  They still sleep at night and even pat themselves on the back.  Meanwhile Keith the white guy doesn't have a job because he wasn't the right skin colour or had the wrong sex parts, or Fukodomo doesn't have a job because he wasn't the right skin colour.

 

Organic means based on not a purely individual evaluation, but the evaluation of how a given candidate can benefit the whole team. To turn to a sports metaphor, the best athlete is not always the best fit for a team. You don't want 5 point guards on the court, regardless of how talented they are individually. You want to look at the strengths and weaknesses of your current team and identify a candidate that will best compliment and enhance the talent you already have. Diversity can be a factor in building the strongest team.

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You're not hiring the best candidate based on merit if that's what you're doing.  This is discrimination based on racism and sexism if you're making hiring pool decisions based on race and gender.  These things shouldn't matter in hiring decisions, unless the qualifications of the job would specifically benefit from someone of a certain background (ie: school with majority black children that has little to no black teachers).

The thinking goes, "If you can't see it, you can't hire it." There's nothing wrong with asking recruiters to provide a diverse candidate pool. They are as susceptible to bias as any other human, and bias costs $. By asking for a diverse pool you not only put positive pressure on the recruiter to look beyond first impressions, but also give yourself a chance to consider a broader range of talend and to hire "the best" candidate based on a more holistic perspective. 

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On 11/25/2022 at 11:14 AM, Hodad said:

As usual, you've confidentially stated as fact the exact opposite of reality.

Joy Reid is a stupid, racist ho, and you're defending racist propaganda again. How predictable.

* Yawn *

Joy Reid's hatred of white people is insane and based entirely on ignorance & revisionist history, which is par for the course in any leftist cause nowadays.

Do I need to remind you two that white people weren't the world's only slave owners?

Do I need to remind you that the word slave basically meant "white people" in ancient Greece?

Do I need to remind you that the Moors did exactly what she's accusing white people of doing in North America - just coming over and colonizing, and taking people as slaves?

Do I need to remind you that no other dominant civilization in the history of the world has banned slavery aside from those of white people?

FYI the KKK that she's referring to was formed as the Democrats' own militia, and they're just at arm's length now. The Dems' newest militias are BLM and Antifa. It seems like the Dems just never get sick of militias that destroy and burn things to foment racial division. 

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Democrats, as a group, are substantially better educated than Republicans.

Liberal Arts degrees, aka certificates of brainwashing at places like Berkeley, are nothing to brag about. 

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Republicans are increasingly becoming the party of white people without a college education--particularly men. 

Your racist observations are duly noted, and also wrong.

Black and hispanic voters are increasingly voting Republican despite intense and overwhelming disinformation campaigns by the Dems and their MSM sycophants. 

Your party is a complete farce, but still, I hope that you can find someone who kisses you the same way that Joe Biden kisses children. 

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3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Joy Reid is a stupid, racist ho, and you're defending racist propaganda again. How predictable.

* Yawn *

Joy Reid's hatred of white people is insane and based entirely on ignorance & revisionist history, which is par for the course in any leftist cause nowadays.

Do I need to remind you two that white people weren't the world's only slave owners?

Do I need to remind you that the word slave basically meant "white people" in ancient Greece?

Do I need to remind you that the Moors did exactly what she's accusing white people of doing in North America - just coming over and colonizing, and taking people as slaves?

Do I need to remind you that no other dominant civilization in the history of the world has banned slavery aside from those of white people?

FYI the KKK that she's referring to was formed as the Democrats' own militia, and they're just at arm's length now. The Dems' newest militias are BLM and Antifa. It seems like the Dems just never get sick of militias that destroy and burn things to foment racial division. 

Liberal Arts degrees, aka certificates of brainwashing at places like Berkeley, are nothing to brag about. 

Your racist observations are duly noted, and also wrong.

Black and hispanic voters are increasingly voting Republican despite intense and overwhelming disinformation campaigns by the Dems and their MSM sycophants. 

Your party is a complete farce, but still, I hope that you can find someone who kisses you the same way that Joe Biden kisses children. 

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Have you considered an evaluation for ADHD? The Gish gallops are out of control. I mean after you finished making excuses for and minimizing the evil of American slavery and misstating demographic trends you go all the way off the rails with your regular schtick.

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8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Have you considered an evaluation for ADHD? The Gish gallops are out of control. I mean after you finished making excuses for

Have you considered telling the truth once in a while, or addressing basic facts, or focusing on debate points instead of ad hominem sputtering?

What even is a gish gallop? I don't speak pidgen English. 

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and minimizing the evil of American slavery

What slavery wasn't evil, pray tell?

Do you think that slaves owned by non-Americans were treated with dignity and grace? 

FYI slavery was absolutely normal all over the world for all of recorded history. It was never awesome. Get a life instead of being a racist propagandist maybe. 

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35 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Hard to name a country that wasn't founded on violence. It is the way of humanity. 

Slavery was pretty normal all over the world,

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what astounds me is people who try to justify it on those grounds.

No one is saying it was justified or awesome, that would be wholly evil based on today's standards.

I'm saying that Joy Reid's screed is the epitome of presentism/lying, and she does it because she's entirely racist.

She's judging people from the past based on today's standards, acting like slavery in America was somehow unique when it was absolutely normal, and she's doing it because she just hates white people. (I can't imagine how much it galls her to kiss Hillary's arse (and Biden's) the way she does.)  

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Have you considered telling the truth once in a while, or addressing basic facts, or focusing on debate points instead of ad hominem sputtering?

What even is a gish gallop? I don't speak pidgen English. 

What slavery wasn't evil, pray tell?

Do you think that slaves owned by non-Americans were treated with dignity and grace? 

FYI slavery was absolutely normal all over the world for all of recorded history. It was never awesome. Get a life instead of being a racist propagandist maybe. 

I'm sorry that you're not familiar with the name for annoying debate tactic that you so often deploy--and apparently don't want to look up.  A Gish gallop is when, instead of focusing on debate topics, a person just starts throwing piles of unrelated crap into the conversation. A type of deflection.

Like how you reply to a discussion about slavery and somehow end up re-posting a pile of stupid memes (that weren't clever the first time) related to general political grievances and yet completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

Now, you can get back to telling us how building a nation on the bleeding backs of black slaves is totally cool, because other nations have done the same in the past, or something. 

And when you get tired of rationalizing and excusing the evils of our past you can get your gallop on with some photos of Obama's tan suit or AOC dancing or something else substantive and scintillating. That will be fun for everyone.

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I had never heard of Joy Reid before this thread, but she's not wrong. Children can learn a version of history in which we're always the good guys, or they can learn the truth about how and why we have what we have. Being thankful for what we have today is not incompatible with understanding that our "good fortune" came at an enormous cost other people. Rather, remembering that cost should be a powerful reminder of how we should navigate the world today. 

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6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I'm sorry that you're not familiar with the name for annoying debate tactic that you so often deploy--and apparently don't want to look up.  A Gish gallop is when, instead of focusing on debate topics, a person just starts throwing piles of unrelated crap into the conversation. A type of deflection.

Seeing as the thread is about Joy Reid's racism, and my post was about Joy Reid's racism, I was quite on topic to point out some examples of Joy Reid's racism and lies. 

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Like how you reply to a discussion about slavery and somehow end up re-posting a pile of stupid memes (that weren't clever the first time) related to general political grievances and yet completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

Joy Reid's slavery screed was a central theme of the OP and the thread. Pointing out her blatant lies and misinformation was central to proving that she's a lying, racist skid.

The photos there are an accurate portrayal of the political party that you chose to bring into this thread, so f they're OT it's just because you went OT and I had to show the general worthlessness of your post.

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Now, you can get back to telling us how building a nation on the bleeding backs of black slaves is totally cool, because other nations have done the same in the past, or something. 

No one ever said slavery was cool, that's just a straw man argument of yours, and that's a perfect example what makes you a gish gallop. 

FYI the nation wasn't "built on the bleeding backs of black slaves", they merely played a part in the building of the nation. It's yet another lie that you and Joy like to spread that white people just sat around while black people "built the nation". 

Are other nations really saying/doing something about their checkered pasts? Did Pakistan even apologize for their recent genocides where they killed over 5M people? Did Turkey admit to the Armenian genocides? FYI the name of Cenk Uygur's show, "The Young Turks" is named after the group that committed the Armenian genocides, and this is what leftists say about him:

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Cenk Uygur
Cenk Kadir Uygur is a Turkish-American progressive political commentator, media host, attorney, and journalist. Uygur is the creator of The Young Turks, an American left-wing, sociopolitical, progressive news and commentary program.Wikipedia

Would it be "prgressive" to name his show "The Hitler Youths"?

Has Morocco apologized? Have Muslims apologized on behalf of mohammed? Have the Mongols apologized? The Egyptians? The Persians? The Greeks? Romans? 

When was this huge apology parade and how did I miss it?

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And when you get tired of rationalizing and excusing the evils of our past you can get your gallop on with some photos of Obama's tan suit or AOC dancing or something else substantive and scintillating. That will be fun for everyone.

I never rationalized any evils, I just pointed out that Joy Reid is a lying racist and you're her stooge

If MSNBC gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, you'd believe everything they wrote.

I don't even know what tan suit you're referring to, and I've never seen AOC dance, and I can't imagine how those things are good examples of the Dems' depravity, malfeasance, hypocrisy, racism, and hate-mongering. 

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