85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths

[ExFlyer]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Remember he did that in French only, and for a reason. And although I didn't agree, you had evidence of wingnuts at the leadership level of the Convoy such as demanding the GG take over parliament (or something), racist diatribes, and Wexit talk...

2. Nope.  You're just wrong on that.  Any anyway, I hear about that stuff on this forum all the time.  There's stuff that happens that isn't even covered on forums.  I'm talking about things a little more serious than Pat King sitting in jail for awhile... 

Michael , you are wasting your time discussing this with anti vaxxers.

There is no changing their embedded thoughts. They feed of each other LOL.

Of the 1.6K posts, it is stroking, patting on the back, and sexual enjoyment by a half a dozen or so posters LOL

Anti vaxxers are, well, just that, anti most things. They will always come up with something to dispute.

The recent outbreak of measles and the unfortunate death of a child from measles was all in unvaccinated persons. Measles, a disease virtually wiped out with vaccinations is back.

I visit here to see that things have not changed. The group is what they are and will always be

[Goddess]

More from the Subcommittee testimony and FOIA'ed emails:

The hearings are stunning.  Morans says when he talks about hiding emails and moving shop-talk to gmail so they can't be FOIA'ed - it was "just a joke".  Not sure who the "joke" is on besides the entire world's public.  He also claimed he did not know that lying to Congress was illegal. 🙄

IMO, the bigger fish are still upstream and Congress should grant Morans immunity to flip on the rest of them, especially the Godfather himself - Teflon Tony.

 

 

And the "FOIA lady" has been identified:

In this hilarious exchange with Daszak, right after another grant for EcoHealth was approved, David fantastically inquired whether he’d get a kick-back since “there too much f—ing money!!”

Daszak, who may have been joking, replied “of course there’s a kick-back,” but then, not joking, said he hoped it all doesn’t end in a prison sentence:

Well, I hope it DOES end up in a prison sentence.

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[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Remember he did that in French only,

So?

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and for a reason.

What could that possible be?

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And although I didn't agree,

I never saw you say that you didn't agree with it. AllI ever saw prior to this was a laundry list of excuses, with a side of minimization. 

If a random dude in a barbershop said the exact same thing about muslims - which would be demonstrably true - Trudeau and his cultist horde would have gone apoplectic. There would be a hefty price to be paid. 

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you had evidence of wingnuts at the leadership level of the Convoy such as demanding the GG take over parliament (or something),

Cite. 

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racist diatribes,

Cite.

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and Wexit talk...

1. Cite.

2. A great idea, and not out of place when the country was quickly transitioning into an authoritarian state.

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2. Nope.  You're just wrong on that. 

Wrong about which part?

1. A peaceful protester surrendered on his knees and was beaten by multiple cops

2. Healthy young adults were forced to take the jab

3. The jab killed some of the healthy young people who were forced to take it

4. The jab permanently (and seriously) injured some of the healthy young people who were forced to take it

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Any anyway, I hear about that stuff on this forum all the time. 

OK?

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There's stuff that happens that isn't even covered on forums. 

Like, for example...?

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I'm talking about things a little more serious than Pat King sitting in jail for awhile... 

One guy going to jail is no big deal right? Unless, of course, he went there exclusively for being an "enemy of the state", whereby the meaning of "state" is limited to "the popularity of the current administration".

[Goddess]

SSCP-Staff-Memo_Morens-5.22.pdf (house.gov)

Subcommittee findings so far 👆

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Nope.  You're just wrong on that. 

Cops beating protesters on the ground happened and much of it was filmed.  YOU are wrong.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Nope.  You're just wrong on that

 

 

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Goddess said:

Here's the problem, @eyeball (and also with MH)

You claim 2 things:

1.  You claim you are FOR accountability in government and governmental departments.

2.  You claim it is virtuous to blindly obey and believe anything the government or its departments tell you.

You do not see the contradiction in those 2 claims.

1. Correct.

2. a) Wrong. I maintain a government is necessary because without it we live in the jungle.

2. b) I also maintain that it is dangerous to blindly follow and believe them.

2. c) I also routinely point out, especially to you, that we do not have the robust institutions of transparency we need to hold governments to better account.

Unfortunately you spend your time being partisan and chasing spooks instead of demanding better accountability. Do you know why the politicians you subscribe to also do this? Because they don't want be held to account either.

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[Goddess]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

that we do not have the robust institutions of transparency we need to hold governments to better account.

I don't believe you.

Because you mock and name-call anyone who does try to hold them to account, and you make excuses for them continually when they're doing questionable things.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Remember he did that in French only, and for a reason. And although I didn't agree, you had evidence of wingnuts at the leadership level of the Convoy such as demanding the GG take over parliament (or something), racist diatribes, and Wexit talk...

Sure, because a couple of people who managed to claim that they were the head of an impromptu thrown together ad hoc demonstration are pretty much exactly the same thing as the prime minister of a country.

Once again, excuses for the liberals. Oh sure, the Prime Minister who is supposed to represent all people and was elected to do so did a terrible thing demeaning over a third of the population because a bunch of crazy truck drivers with a bouncy castle behaved in a way you disapprove of. That makes sense

[Venandi]

52 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Because you mock and name-call anyone who does try to hold them to account, and you make excuses for them continually when they're doing questionable things.

OK... I think I can do this too:

Goddess, you are wasting your time discussing this with pro vaxxers.

There is no changing their embedded thoughts. They feed of each other LOL.

Of the 1.6K posts, it is stroking, patting on the back, and sexual enjoyment by a half a dozen or so posters LOL

Pro vaxxers are, well, just that, pro most things liberal and woke. They will always come up with something to dispute.

The recent outbreak of measles and the unfortunate death of a child from measles was all in unvaccinated persons. The sad consequence of a well earned lack of trust in previously trustworthy institutions. Like, what did they think was going to happen like?

I visit here to see that things have not changed. The group is what they are and will always be 

How'd I do.....

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Ooooops, forgot the LOLs , RTFLMAOs, and grade three emoji thingies... 

 

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[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Venandi said:

How'd I do.....

It was perfect. 

Not a shred of information or links for discussion. 😉

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

1. Cops beating protesters on the ground happened and much of it was filmed.  YOU are wrong.

 2. You claim it is virtuous to blindly obey and believe anything the government or its departments tell you.

1. No - the claim was that I "like" it or somesuch.... wrong wrong wrong.  Cite me where I posted that I like police beatings, please....  

2.  Heh heh heh.... cite ?

Goddess, I actually did sympathize with the Convoy somewhat as did most Canadians.  I know a lot of you ache for the chance to argue with me but you have to pick something we disagree on first.  Check with me and I"ll let you know

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Check with me and I"ll let you know

I have asked you direct questions before and received mostly trite, non-answers.

I dont' remember you speaking up about much or expressing any kind of sympathy at all and I see you raising long debunked  nonsense about what happened during the Convoy, so......

You prolly believe Diagalon is a "violent extremist, white-supremacist" group, too.  Like a good little CBC watcher. You like the CBC, I like to check things out.  We are quite different.

Not wanting to argue.  But I likely take you about as seriously as you take me.

Peace ✌️

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[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, Goddess said:

1. I have asked you direct questions before and received mostly trite, non-answers.

2. I dont' remember you speaking up about much or expressing any kind of sympathy at all and

3. I see you raising long debunked  nonsense about what happened during the Convoy, so......

4.  You like the CBC, I like to check things out.  We are quite different.

5. Not wanting to argue.  But I likely take you about as seriously as you take me. Peace ✌️

1. I don't remember it that way, but depends on the question.
2. You're not paying attention then.  Not that you have to but:

 

 

 

Now I did for a time think that Trudeau statements on the convoy didn't happen but I was proven wrong so I retracted those statements.

3. Cite ?  Noting what I said about mistakes I posted and retracted.

4. How many of your arguments require you saying things about me that just aren't true ?  I don't watch CBC news.

5. I take you seriously enough to respond honestly.

 

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[Michael Hardner]

Also @Goddess 
 

 

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Also @Goddess 
 

 

I seem to remember a lot of posts by you about how the Convoy was all Nazis, white-supremacists, who wanted to overthrow the government, etc.  Basically whatever the CBC told you.  I remember you stating some document about overthrowing the government was from the convoy "leadership" and I tried showing you it wasn't was from and was just written by a random dude and I see you're still saying it was, so.....

Whether you listen to the CBC or not, you still "listen" to the CBC.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Because you mock and name-call anyone who does try to hold them to account,

No I mock people;

1. Who believe governments are being adequately held to account

2. Who believe it's actually not our business to know what our governments do

3. Who believe our vote is the only tool of accountability we require.

4. And especially those who turn to conspiracies to explain the blanks in our knowledge about what governments are doing and even worse prescribing what we should do instead. That would be someone like you.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

I don't believe you.

I don't believe you have all the transparency and accountability you need to know what your government is doing.

Do you believe you do? If not then we're in agreement.

 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

No I mock people;

1. Who believe governments are being adequately held to account

2. Who believe it's actually not our business to know what our governments do

3. Who believe our vote is the only tool of accountability we require.

4. And especially those who turn to conspiracies to explain the blanks in our knowledge about what governments are doing and even worse prescribing what we should do instead. That would be someone like you.

No. No.  You do none of those things.

You turn a blind eye and make excuses for everything.  You advocate continuously that they know so much more than we do, so we should just shut up and do as they say and not question.

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

No I mock people;

1. Who believe governments are being adequately held to account

Then stop voting for them

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2. Who believe it's actually not our business to know what our governments do

We know what our gov't does we just don't do anything about it. Well.. you don't anyway,

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3. Who believe our vote is the only tool of accountability we require.

I agree with you there but people already have many more tools and don't use them.

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4. And especially those who turn to conspiracies to explain the blanks in our knowledge about what governments are doing and even worse prescribing what we should do instead. That would be someone like you.

And you've been telling people that for decades right?

you are a complete fraud on me accountability front. You don't want accountability, you want the ability to shame parties you don't like while minimizing accountability for parties you do like. You go so far as to blame harper for Justin's mistakes and crimes claiming that it's not Justin's fault it's harper for not passing laws that Justin can't override. Which is impossible. Then you failed to acknowledge that the very laws that harper passed is what Justin ran a foul of.

We have a corrupt government now and you're not willing to do what it takes to get rid of them and in fact you're here every day defending them often unreasonably so.

It's the same old tired worn out bullshit lines with you every single time. You are a complete hypocrite on this front

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't believe you have all the transparency and accountability you need to know what your government is doing.

What is it that the government is currently doing that you don't feel you know enough about as a voter to be able to deal with it. My guess is nothing but go ahead and prove me wrong

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't believe you have all the transparency and accountability you need to know what your government is doing.

Are you stoopid?

I know I don't.  That's why I dig.  That's why I pay attention to others who dig and hear what they find.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

1. I seem to remember a lot of posts by you about how the Convoy was all Nazis, white-supremacists, who wanted to overthrow the government, etc. 

2. Basically whatever the CBC told you. 

3. I remember you stating some document about overthrowing the government was from the convoy "leadership" and I tried showing you it wasn't was from and was just written by a random dude and I see you're still saying it was, so.....

4. Whether you listen to the CBC or not, you still "listen" to the CBC.

1. Well, dear, you simply misremember.  I don't remember everything I type on here but I'm 99.9% sure I didn't write that.  Mostly because I didn't think that.  Look at the 3 posts I found from a search.  
2. I don't think I watched any coverage of the Convoy on CBC at all.  Maybe while flipping I might see something and stop and watch but I absolutely never sit in my living room with an agenda to watch CBC Television of any form.  So you have said that twice.  You can stop saying it now.  I respect you enough to respond honestly so you can do me the same courtesy and not make up things about me.
3. There was a document submitted - the MOU I think it was called - by Tamara Lich and another organizer.  I don't remember any discussion about that, but you can always search and see if I said something that was incorrect or ill-advised.  Tamara Lich wasn't a random dude, though.  

But - hey - I might be wrong.

4.  I listen to local news on the radio in the morning.  If you can't deal with that, or you think it poisons me somehow I advise you have a look at how respectful I have been towards you these last posts.  You were wrong in several instances, but I don't think you are poison or a liar.  You were just incorrect, no biggy.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

There was a document submitted - the MOU I think it was called - by Tamara Lich and another organizer.

Canada Unity Memorandum of Understanding (Freedom Convoy 2022) : Canada Unity : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

That MOU, as I explained to you 2 years ago - was from a group that tried to attach themselves to the Convoy, called "Canada Unity" and it's leader was James Bauder, not Tamara Lich.  As you can see from the above link.  None of the authors of that MOU were with the Freedom Convoy.

You gobbled up misinfo from CBC.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Canada Unity Memorandum of Understanding (Freedom Convoy 2022) : Canada Unity : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

That MOU, as I explained to you 2 years ago - was from a group that tried to attach themselves to the Convoy, called "Canada Unity" and it's leader was James Bauder, not Tamara Lich.  As you can see from the above link.  None of the authors of that MOU were with the Freedom Convoy.

You gobbled up misinfo from CBC.

Frankly, I'm not even seeing "overthrow the government" anywhere in there.  

I see a lot of "end the mandates."

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

No. No.  You do none of those things.

I do all of those things.

Mocking the uselessness and silliness of your criticism is not the same as supporting who or what you're criticizing.

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That's why I dig.  That's why I pay attention to others who dig and hear what they find.

And you dig up shit.