85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths

Michael Hardner · May 19, 2024

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

1. Any contrary minded information instantly became misinformation,

2. Scanning the horizon, that might just be a future problem, maybe there's something here to learn.

3. There was only one mob that truly mattered, and it was frightened voters. Without them, little traction could have been gained by other entities.

4. I'd offer the dismal uptake of vaccine boosters (something like 18%) as a symptom of that change of heart.

1. Again, that's understandable.

2. I agree, but what?

3. Voters may have been frightened, which is understandable. They also may have made decisions based on rational analysis. And the thought leaders may have expressed their honest beliefs of worst case scenarios. And all of it is understandable, and the general framework for public/mob discussion remains in place for all complex public issues: health, economy, environment, defense... Etc.

4. Maybe, but do you really think that they got wise so quickly? Or did conditions change?

The only thing I am interested in this, is the potential lessons learned.

Nationalist · May 19, 2024

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The only thing I am interested in this, is the potential lessons learned.

Sorry to butt in here gents but I learned some things.

1. Man should not be fcking with gain of fuction research.

2. Anthony Fauci fcked up and lied to cover his ass.

3. Masks are at least as harmful/dangerous to the person as being unmasked.

4. If one is not sick during a pandemic, outside is where you want to be.

5. Forcing the population to agree to untested vaccines, produces much less than optimal results.

6. Panic only makes a bad situation...much worse.

WestCanMan · May 19, 2024

9 hours ago, Venandi said:

The manufactured public ridicule of all things "anti-vax," was a measurement of success and a QA means of monitoring the effectiveness of messaging, it also provided an effective venue for modifying that message to achieve maximum effect.

It seems that once a majority (or statistically significant portion of the population) commit to weaponized rhetoric and allow hateful, ill informed comments to become the norm, it's hard for those (in this case the majority) to rationalize walking it back and admitting to the possibility that they maybe (perhaps or possibly) got it wrong.

It's a wonderfully effective tool... the fact that it takes soooooooooo long to factually disprove an alleged event or occurrence (usually 2 years or more) certainly helps too. You can see that right here on the forum.

Great post. Lots to touch on there but I just have a couple minutes.

The Milgram experiment and Twain's quote "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled" spring to mind.

The people who rushed to every new Faucian talking point and jumped behind every new LPOC vax-naziism tactic are still stuck at "Safe, effective, can't give covid to granny, even kids need the vax, no one is getting hurt, etc."

Some have budged from "no one is getting hurt" to "some people get hurt but it's worth it because the jab saved millions of lives" but even the latter is still a lie.

Those guys will never come around, because that comes with the sting of acknowledging that their own credulity and willingness to harm others ended up costing the lives of young adults who had nothing to fear from covid. They literally threw young, selfless people under the bus for this, and some of them died. No one wants to admit to that. Carve it in stone. They'll carry this to their graves without admitting to it.

Edited May 19, 2024 by WestCanMan

WestCanMan · May 19, 2024

10 hours ago, Venandi said:

For anyone with a passing tactical interest in information management techniques (veterans and serving members perhaps), this was a master class in what can be accomplished when resources are brought to bear in a coordinated fashion.

Enter "Trusted News Initiative": https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/media-centre/trusted-news-initiative-plan-disinformation-coronavirus

Trusted News Initiative announces plans to tackle harmful coronavirus disinformation

The Trusted News Initiative partners are: BBC, CBC/Radio-Canada, Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter, Microsoft, AFP, Reuters, Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, European Broadcasting Union (EBU), The Hindu, First Draft, and Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism.
Starting today, partners in the Trusted News Initiative will alert each other to disinformation about coronavirus, including “imposter content” purporting to come from trusted sources. Such content will be reviewed promptly to ensure that disinformation is not republished

It's like they said "Hey look, dummies, we're conspiring" and then called everyone who dared to tell the truth "conspiracy theorists" and de-platformed them. It's actually kind of funny, but the joke's on democracy and the illusion of a "free, unbiased media".

Just remember how hard they pushed to discredit/slander/cancel Rogan, Carlson, Brand, etc., and how they suddenly turned on Elon Musk when he pulled Twittland out of TNI...

Our MSM and our LPOC really want control of social media.

To this day, Russel Brand is the only public figure that I've ever seen speak out about "Trusted News" Initiative.

Edited May 19, 2024 by WestCanMan

WestCanMan · May 19, 2024

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The assertion that a default reaction to challenges to convention are put down via a vast conspiracy is unfalsifiable.

That's not to say that the public was never lied to, or that so-called science types didn't close ranks, behave tribally and so forth...

But if you're trying to do a post mortem on the failures of the system to question and be objective, I think that the bar has to be higher than what you're setting.

We can and should be skeptical of public officials, and accept that tribalism and ideology is in all of us when examining their statements. But we also can and should be even more skeptical of strangers who make extreme statements about a system that generally works.

Here's why the system "didn't work": https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/media-centre/trusted-news-initiative-plan-disinformation-coronavirus

Somehow that vast brain trust was 100% wrong about covid and the Hunter laptop, and in both instances they cracked down hard and fast on people who were telling blatantly obvious truths.

WestCanMan · May 20, 2024

10 hours ago, Venandi said:

Any contrary minded information at the Phd level instantly became misinformation, its authors de-platformed, villainized, fired and deregistered by professional associations who in some cases seem to be singing new hymns now. Scanning the horizon, that might just be a future problem, maybe there's something here to learn.

It was shameful what happened to Dr Raoult for suggesting that HCQ might might help fight covid.

Every alt-left journalist' and keyboard warrior on the planet dragged his name through the mud, and all he tried to do was the very best thing for mankind: find a cheap, off-patent drug that might help fight covid, so that it was available to the masses in short order.

Millions of leftards who didn't know a virulent phage from a violent purge were piling on one of the world's preeminent epidemiologists like he was Hitler reborn, just for trying to save lives. Ironically, all of those vax-shills considered Fauci a covid hero and living legend 🤣

On a slightly related note: nicotine, of all things, theoretically helped fight covid.

It's toxic, so I can understand why it wasn't heralded as a cure, even if it did help at all, but there's so much disinformation out there that I'd never vouch for anything I read.

Story goes like this... An article I read said that smokers in France were under-represented in covid death stats. Theoretically they're about 25% of the population, and due to the damage they've done to their lungs common sense dictates that they'd be some of the hardest-hit by covid, but they were only accounting for about 17% of covid deaths. Researchers said that covid binds to the same spot as nicotine so it was interfering covid's ability to wreak havoc, blahblahblah.

Might have been total BS. I don't really care. It's just an interesting anecdote afaic. I don't smoke and I'd never start just to fight covid, and I'd never advocate for someone else to start smoking or go back to smoking just because of this either.

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sorry to butt in here gents but I learned some things.

1. Man should not be fcking with gain of fuction research.

2. Anthony Fauci fcked up and lied to cover his ass.

3. Masks are at least as harmful/dangerous to the person as being unmasked.

4. If one is not sick during a pandemic, outside is where you want to be.

5. Forcing the population to agree to untested vaccines, produces much less than optimal results.

6. Panic only makes a bad situation...much worse.

So funny that Ex-Flyer had to click the down-button on your post 🤣 . Honestly, what was there for a vaxtard to get butthurt about?

Goddess · May 20, 2024

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The only thing I am interested in this, is the potential lessons learned.

Are you, though? Are you interested in any potential lessons? It doesn't seem so when the rest of your last two posts here imply that the greatest virtue the public had was to follow government and Big Pharma blindly and that it is somehow virtuous to ask no questions because "it was an emergency."

To some of us, more than you know, and many scientists, more than you know, that is not understandable at all.

What a naive and childish view that governments never terrorize their citizens for profit and that Big Pharma who has repeatedly paid fines in the billions of dollars for fraud that involved people dying, are to be unquestiongly followed.

We knew by March 2020 that only certain people were vulnerable. Yet not did you did question that during mandates, you cheered it on and demanded pregnant women, children and babies were forced to get multiple doses of an experimental injection they did not need. Do you have any idea the centuries of medical ethics that were thrown out the window? We have NEVER allowed experimentation on pregnant women or denied people informed consent. These issues were part of the reasonfor Nuremburg, for gawd's sake. We learned that "potential lesson" 80 years ago and you threw it out the window along with already established science, like natural immunity and basic biology.

The truth about Ivermectin was less than a 5 minute Google search away. What prevented the general public from even just doing that one thing?

IMO, Intellectual laziness.

So don't pretend you're some kind of intellectual and moral person. Blind obedience to authorities that have proven track records of fraud and lies, is not a virtue.

You, like many, have zero critical thinking ability and *THAT* is scary to the rest of us. Because if this was a huge marketing ploy to see how stupid the public is and how far they'll go in giving up everything they believe in by applying a bit of fear that only a few questions would have revealed as manufactured, we're in big trouble.

You'll go along with absolutely ANYTHING an authority tells you to do or think.

How you think that's a virtue is....beyond me.

I don't think you're interested in potential lessons at all. You ignored all the lessons from history already.

So, no. Not understandable at all.

Goddess · May 20, 2024

Venandi · May 20, 2024

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

We knew by March 2020 that only certain people were vulnerable. Yet not did you did question that during mandates, you cheered it on and demanded pregnant women, children and babies were forced to get multiple doses of an experimental injection they did not need.

Do you have any idea the centuries of medical ethics that were thrown out the window? We have NEVER allowed experimentation on pregnant women or denied people informed consent. These issues were part of the reasonfor Nuremburg, for gawd's sake. We learned that "potential lesson" 80 years ago and you threw it out the window along with already established science, like natural immunity and basic biology.

Two parts of the same whole, both noteworthy for showcasing the power of information management techniques when properly deployed against a fearful (or angry) majority.

It usually (I'd suggest always) requires a villainous antagonist (one that either already exists or can easily be created) to entrench the outrage... in this case, "anti-vaxxers served the purpose well.

The bad behaviour of supporters is then brought to bear in the form of peer pressure while factual debate and contrary minded opinion is suppressed and/or ridiculed. This is deliberately and systemically encouraged (the PM helped this along and it wasn't an accident) until it reaches a point where it's very difficult for those who willingly participated in it to walk back their support after the fact.

Ivermectin was an interesting bunny trail that served to illustrate the power of this. No discussion about the possible benefits of off label use of a cheap, innocuous drug that was shown to be effective (but only) at the first sign of symptoms. I'll wager that none of the "horse paste crowd" took 10 minutes to look up the how or why of that.

Anyway, that's the issue for me, how easily all of this was accomplished. There are courses in such things and you often see it on full display in places where the unholy trinity of government, media, and security forces is entrenched.

There might be a lesson in that too eh?

Edited May 20, 2024 by Venandi

eyeball · May 20, 2024

Whether the virus naturally evolved or was manufactured in a lab health authorities would still have had to do something.

Am I to believe if we'd known without any doubt it was a manufactured virus there would have been no need for any sort of response and that the best course of action would be to let it rip?

And whether it was accidentally or deliberately released wouldn't have changed the need to act.

Further to that if we had developed a vaccine conventionally we'd probably still be waiting for it to roll out while living with lockdowns, social distancing and masks.

Goddess · May 21, 2024

On 5/20/2024 at 9:51 AM, eyeball said:

Am I to believe if we'd known without any doubt it was a manufactured virus there would have been no need for any sort of response and that the best course of action would be to let it rip?

As has been explained to you multiple times on multiple occasions - there was an option presented early on (October 2020) that recommended "focused protection" for those most vulnerable, while those with nearly zero risk would be able to continue on with life. No need for crashing the economy or CERB payments to teenagers to sit at home, no need to shut down schools or bankrupt businesses.

It was, I'm sure you remember because I posted about it multiple times and you mocked it in favour of anti-scientific draconian measures, The Great Barrington Declaration.

It was signed by thousands of scientists and doctors worldwide and was created by:

Dr. Jay Battachrya - a public health expert and health economist with a focus on infectious diseases in vulnerable populations, from Stanford University.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta - the world's top professor of epidemiology, who specializes in vaccine development, immunology and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases, from Oxford University.
Dr. Martin Kuldorff - professor of biostatistics and epidemiology from Harvard University.

Great Barrington Declaration (gbdeclaration.org)

But you chose to listen to the CBC "experts". 🙄

Goddess · May 21, 2024

Here is an excerpt from the Great Barrington Declaration, the one eyeball and other on here mocked and is what we are currently doing NOW, finally:

Notice that it mentions natural and herd immunity, which eyeball's "experts" are still denying, as far as I know.

Venandi · May 21, 2024

On 5/20/2024 at 12:51 PM, eyeball said:

And whether it was accidentally or deliberately released wouldn't have changed the need to act.

I don't want to put words in your mouth but it appears to me that you are suggesting that the origin had little to do with the remedy or eventual outcome. If so, (and with a few caveats like the malicious actions behind suppressing discussion) I tend to agree.

But please consider the backstory because that's where the lessons are. There was a lab near the market, that lab just happened to be doing GOF research on the very same virus in question. The research itself was (at least partially) subsidized by US tax dollars and I'm just cynical enough to believe that the key players knew it.

In the fall of 2019, two lab workers were hospitalized with Covid symptoms and that became open source information in the first few months of 2020. If memory serves, it was later that we learned about the funding, US involvement and Dr Wonderful's role in all of it.

At the Phd level, there were a bunch of people fired, de-platformed and/or deregistered by professional associations for suggesting the possibility of there being a connection rather than simply swallowing the species jump theory and blaming racoon dogs in the market.

Random people (dare I say like myself) who payed a bit of attention and managed to connect some of the dots were vilified, ridiculed and suspended from social media for suggesting exactly what the FBI now concludes to be the likely origin.

As I've said all along, this is were the lessons are. Even if it wasn't a deliberate coverup, the actions and collusion of government, media, big tech and regulating associations was despicable (and bloody dangerous) by any definition of the word. If you want to defend the actions taken, I would start with justifying that.

As I've said here a few times, there are courses in such things and at that level, the people behind the information management efforts are pros. Prior to any deliberate coverup (diversion, deflection, spin, etc) there is always thought given to plausible deniability in case it all goes sideways. The first one that comes up for discussion is usually the notion that "it was a dynamic and rapidly changing situation and we did what we felt was right under difficult circumstances, the health, safety and security of ___________ (insert name of the group hurt) was always our primary concern.

You seem to be making the argument that "it doesn't matter" and "it didn't affect anything."

If so, I think it's as wrong headed a position as the collaborative action that was deliberately taken (by several key players) to suppress any and all discussion of the possibility in the first place.

That's my problem with it.... that's my problem with most of it, and that's where most of the lessons are.

Edited May 21, 2024 by Venandi

Goddess · May 21, 2024

Just 4 days after The Declaration went out, Francis Collins (then director of NIH) sent a panicked email to Fauci and other high-ranking bureaucrats, calling it the work of "three fringe epidemiologists" and they all agreed to a "quick and devastating takedown of its premises". Fauci described it as "nonsense" and dangerous."

Outrage flared up in the media: Murderers!! Covid deniers!! Granny killers!!

Dr. Battacharya received death threats and racist attacks. He said, "I started getting calls from reporters demanding to know why I wanted to 'let the virus rip' when I had proposed nothing of the sort."

Dr. Gupta said "I was utterly unprepared for the onslaught of threats, insults, personal criticism and intimidation that met our proposal".

Dr. Kuldorff was forced out of Harvard after 18 years of professorship.

@eyeball At what point are you going to admit that you were the victim of misinformation and stop spreading it?

Goddess · May 21, 2024

24 minutes ago, Venandi said:

just happened to be doing GOF research on the very same virus in question.

If you're interested, in the Trickle thread, I posted the actual request for funding from the NIH by Daszak. It outlines exactly what he wanted to do - engineer a more infectious coronavirus by monkeying around with a specific furin cleavage site. The same funky cleavage site that makes the covid virus adhere so seamlessly with human cells.

Except Daszak proposed releasing the infected bats BACK INTO THE WILD.

These people are insane.

28 minutes ago, Venandi said:

If so, I think it's as wrong headed a position as the collaborative action that was deliberately taken (by several key players) to suppress any and all discussion of the possibility in the first place.

People don't usually invent elaborate lies and cover-ups for no reason.....

30 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Random people (dare I say like myself) who payed a bit of attention and managed to connect some of the dots were vilified, ridiculed and suspended from social media for suggesting exactly what the FBI now concludes to be the likely origin.

If you want to be scared sh!tle$$, google how many lab accidents with infectious viruses there are every year.....

WestCanMan · May 21, 2024

On 5/20/2024 at 3:20 AM, Venandi said:

Two parts of the same whole, both noteworthy for showcasing the power of information management techniques when properly deployed against a fearful (or angry) majority.

It usually (I'd suggest always) requires a villainous antagonist (one that either already exists or can easily be created) to entrench the outrage... in this case, "anti-vaxxers served the purpose well.

The bad behaviour of supporters is then brought to bear in the form of peer pressure while factual debate and contrary minded opinion is suppressed and/or ridiculed. This is deliberately and systemically encouraged (the PM helped this along and it wasn't an accident) until it reaches a point where it's very difficult for those who willingly participated in it to walk back their support after the fact.

Ivermectin was an interesting bunny trail that served to illustrate the power of this. No discussion about the possible benefits of off label use of a cheap, innocuous drug that was shown to be effective (but only) at the first sign of symptoms. I'll wager that none of the "horse paste crowd" took 10 minutes to look up the how or why of that.

Anyway, that's the issue for me, how easily all of this was accomplished. There are courses in such things and you often see it on full display in places where the unholy trinity of government, media, and security forces is entrenched.

There might be a lesson in that too eh?

Ridicule, and even the danger of being cancelled.

Fear of ridicule is enough to silence a lot of people who lack the confidence to clearly state & defend their positions, but for the rest of us there was fear of cancellation.

As business owners we knew that we'd be risking our business if people knew our stance on covid and the jabs.

WestCanMan · May 21, 2024

On 5/20/2024 at 8:51 AM, eyeball said:

Am I to believe if we'd known without any doubt it was a manufactured virus there would have been no need for any sort of response and that the best course of action would be to let it rip?.

Regardless of where the jab came from, yes - you're correct that we still needed to protect people. BUT, the credibility of the people who were constantly lying to us about everything would have been greatly lessened.

It's only with the benefit of a great deal of hindsight that a lot of people are coming to the conclusion that Fauci was a lying, sellout weasel who never should have been trusted.

Goddess · May 21, 2024

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's only with the benefit of a great deal of hindsight that a lot of people are coming to the conclusion that Fauci was a lying, sellout weasel who never should have been trusted.

Which is too bad, really, because his killing of thousands of AIDS victims by experimenting with medications with poor trial records and withholding of medications that DID work, and his experimentations on African children are well documented. So are his experiments with animals - cutting the vocal cords out of beagles so scientists wouldn't have to listen to them scream, while sand fleas ate the flesh off their heads.

There's whole books written on this modern-day Dr. Mengele.

We knew what he is.

I hope RFK Jr. gets elected in the US, if for nothing other than he and his Kennedy uncles have been exposing Fauci for 20 years. But the man knows his way around a bureaucracy and knows who to pay to shut up.

Edited May 21, 2024 by Goddess

WestCanMan · May 21, 2024

Right from the beginning of covid I floated two possible reasons that the virus might have intentionally come from a Wuhan BSL4 lab:

Trump was crowing about his "victory" in a trade war with China, and the virus targets old, obese people (Americans)
Not that long ago the Chinese gov't was limiting couples to 1 baby to slow population growth. Their methods were draconian, and babies were left in conditions where the survival rate was low. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if the Chinese gov't released a virus that kills off their octogenarians.

Edited May 21, 2024 by WestCanMan

Goddess · May 21, 2024

I mostly pity people like @eyeball. Being terrified to the point that ethics and morality no longer matters, that can't feel good, as a human being.

Before covid, we understood that "zero risk" does not exist in life. We didn't counsel immunocompromised people to avoid all contact with others. Instead we encouraged them to find a balance that worked for them.

Science informs, but values decide.

The "peeing my pants in terror" crowd - they still think it was was the virus that did all this damage. It was wasn't. It was governmental policy. Bad governmental policy.

And it was a huge failure on the part of public health authorities who fell into a disconnect between expert advice and the needs of real flesh-and-blood humans.

We have NEVER embraced any philosophy of medicine that means avoiding death to the point of giving up living.

But ones like eyeball - they go even further - they not only gave up on living, but they insisted everyone else do so, too.

They revel in being ordered about and told what to do down to the most microscopic level - Remember "You can now hold your elderly loved one's hand but you cannot hug them."

I hope next time - because there WILL be a next time - there are more people who will stand up to these bureaucrats and say "Show me the data that masks (or lockdowns, or experimental injections, or school closures for 2 years) work....or STFU."

We weren't put on earth to stay safe. We are here to roam free.

Edited May 21, 2024 by Goddess

Goddess · May 21, 2024

There was another expert who got repeatedly shut down - a Canadian MD, Dr. Lucy McBride.

Her credentials include Harvard Medical School, Princeton, Cambridge and Johns Hopkins.

She had enough of the rules that veered into outright cruelty when, in November 2021, a 4 year old boy from Ontario who started exhibiting cold symptoms at school was locked inside an outdoor shed and developed hypothermia. His mother said, "He couldn't talk, was shivering like mad, hands red raw. They even made him eat his lunch out there, no toys, no games, nothing."

She launched a group "The Urgency of Normal" to help school administrators, teachers and parents make informed choices on Covid. They knew the kids were not alright.

She advocated managing both fear and risk.

But how many of you heard about her?

WestCanMan · May 21, 2024

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There was another expert who got repeatedly shut down - a Canadian MD, Dr. Lucy McBride.

So did Didier Raoult. His was the first 'public execution' of a Dr's career afaik.

And this guy, who gave ivermectin to 3 death-row covid patients: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ivermectin-covid-alberta-nagase-1.6205075

Goddess · May 21, 2024

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And this guy, who gave ivermectin to 3 death-row covid patients: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ivermectin-covid-alberta-nagase-1.6205075

Yes, I followed Daniel Nagasse for quite a while at the beginning, because of the Ivermectin thing. He saved those 3 patients and was fired for doing it.

Dr. Charles Hoffe from Lytton, BC was another. I think he was the first in the world to do d-dimer tests on his patients and found the elevated troponin levels that indicate heart trauma.

The truth was out there and it wasn't hard to find.

It's too bad most of our population is stupid and lazy and think blindly following bureaucrats is a virtue. Eyeball and MH, ExFlyer and MoonFace, Aristedes - they'll all do it again, too.

We cannot rely on any of the above people or people like them to be alert to any kind of over-reach.

Edited May 21, 2024 by Goddess

WestCanMan · May 21, 2024

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The truth was out there and it wasn't hard to find.

It actually was pretty hard to find, and finding anything that didn't amount to a smear campaign against any threats to vax-supremacy was even harder.

Unless you put in very specific info, including names, all that comes up on a generic search for information is vax propaganda.

Even the article that came up about Nagasse carries on at length about why ivermectin is bad before it gets to the part about people suddenly getting better, then it turns into a scathing rebuke of ivermectin usage:

A doctor who was filling in at a rural Alberta hospital says he treated three COVID-19 patients with ivermectin, triggering a warning from the provincial health authority about the dangers of the controversial drug.

In a video circulating on social media, Vancouver-based Dr. Daniel Nagase says he administered ivermectin in September to patients at the hospital in Rimbey, Alta.

Nagase claims provincial health officials are "withholding a life-saving medication from an entire province."

Ivermectin is often used to rid livestock of parasites. It has not been approved for use in either Canada or the United States for the treatment of coronaviruses and no clinical studies have proven whether it can slow or stop the spread of the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 in humans.

'Extremely disappointing'

Alberta Health Services (AHS) has received complaints about Nagase, who has worked as a fill-in doctor at the Rimbey Hospital and Care Centre, 65 kilometres northwest of Red Deer. AHS says he is spreading misinformation.

"Neither the veterinary nor human drug versions of ivermectin has been deemed safe or effective for use in treating or preventing COVID-19," reads an AHS statement issued earlier this week.

Using the veterinary version "can pose potentially serious health problems if consumed by humans," AHS said.

"It is extremely disappointing that someone would spread misinformation about COVID-19 treatment in this way, and suggest that AHS is withholding treatment for patients."

CBC News repeatedly called Nagase's office but was told he would not be accepting interviews from CBC about his use of ivermectin or the claims made in the video.

AHS said Nagase is "not scheduled to work as a locum [fill-in] in AHS" and added that because of the complaints, a review will be done.

In the video, posted Monday, Nagase is shown delivering a speech on Oct. 1 at a Vancouver event marking the 75th anniversary of the Nuremberg trials.

Then there's a short blurb about the patients he treated, then...

'It's dangerous'

Dr. Keith Wolstenholme, an orthopedic surgeon at the Red Deer hospital, says Nagase appears to have gone "rogue" and ignored the medical evidence surrounding ivermectin.

Wolstenholme said the misuse of ivermectin in humans can cause myriad dangerous symptoms.

Physicians are sworn to use evidence-based medicine, he said.

"To have a physician … secure ivermectin from alternative sources and then give it to patients, it's dangerous, potentially dangerous to those patients, and it's certainly dangerous to the public."

Wolstenholme said doctors who spread misinformation put the public at risk by undermining the confidence in trusted medical science.

"We have what was assumed to be a trusted health-care professional really providing bad advice."
Treats parasites, not viruses

Ivermectin has been used in veterinary medicine for more than 30 years. The form used on humans is on the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines because it is safe, inexpensive and effective — and has proven to be life-saving for treating some illnesses caused by parasites.

COVID-19 is caused by a virus, not parasites.

The drug has been widely and wrongly promoted as a cure for COVID-19, leading to shortages in Canada for those who may need it. Quantities of the drug have been limited since January.

Edited May 21, 2024 by WestCanMan

Goddess · May 21, 2024

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It actually was pretty hard to find, and finding anything that didn't amount to a smear campaign against any threats to vax-supremacy was even harder.

I'll give you that, to a point.

I mean, I read the CBC articles and stuff, but I'm the type of person who already knew the MSM was biased, so I looked up names, credentials, etc.

I would have never gotten out of the religious cult I was in if I hadn't been brave enough to read source materials that the cult didn't want us to read. So as soon as MSM was like, "Don't read this, dont' listen to that person or this person, only read and believe what we tell you, there's only one truth, you'll die if you don't listen only to us...." Red flags were flying for me. It was all very reminiscent of being in a CULT.

The Ivermectin thing and the denial of natural immunity was just....eye-popping..... to me. I KNEW both were outright lies.