85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Some of us think killing and maiming children so 97-year-olds can have a couple extra months is what is completely insane.  And frankly, most 97-year-olds would not want that either, had they been told the truth.

In medical ethics there is a cost/benefit analysis involving the calculating of years of life lost:

• Years of life lost due to premature mortality (YLLs) 
• Years lived with disability (YLDs)
• Disability‐adjusted life years (DALYs)

But we threw out medical ethics for this virus, along with basic immunology, virology and science.

I made that comparison between covid and opioids. They're stealing 30-50 years in a lot of cases. 

In the vast majority of instances, covid takes less than 1. 

[impartialobserver]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

that you never actually said anything worth responding to. 

and yet you do respond... there is a reason why. You will never admit to it. 

[WestCanMan]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:31 PM, CdnFox said:

Sure - you only type with two fingers so for you it would be quite an achievement

Or he types with one hand. I think he likes you.  

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Aaaaaand there it is...verbal diarrhea....with insults too....as expected.

 

So you can't refute any of the points   And the guy who posts ass porn and fantasizes about it being a 'selfie'  is claiming insults and 'verbal diarrhea

 

Kid - do you have any idea how much of a loser that makes you look like? I mean - it's not like anyone expected you to have an INTELLIGENT reply but surely you could do better than that

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Or he types with one hand. I think he likes you.  

Gad!!!!

You're not allowed to talk anymore.

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you can't refute any of the points   And the guy who posts ass porn and fantasizes about it being a 'selfie'  is claiming insults and 'verbal diarrhea

You didn't make any points.  It was just verbal diarrhea, like 90% of your posts.  Thankfully, your ranting and worthless nattering comes with a warning label:  compulsive  every sentence.  

That means you're having another seizure or something, and thus the substance of your post is nothing more than:

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

That has been my stance since the beginning. When someone would say, " I am not going to get the vax", my reply was "ok". I could not care less if someone was vaxxed or not. No guilt or shaming on my part. I only did it because I did not want to fill out paperwork. No passion, fervor, etc on my part. 

Just curious....

In most instances I agree a neutral stance is better, unless there is a moral imperative involved.

It seems that you do not see a moral imperative in forcing people to participate in an experimental medical procedure and chose a neutral stance - saying nothing either way, whether people chose or were forced.

Wondering why you have an interest in this thread now.

Peace ☮️

 

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Just curious....

In most instances I agree a neutral stance is better, unless there is a moral imperative involved.

It seems that you do not see a moral imperative in forcing people to participate in an experimental medical procedure and chose a neutral stance - saying nothing either way, whether people chose or were forced.

Wondering why you have an interest in this thread now.

Peace ☮️

 

I posted about how at least governments are putting this topic behind them and it led to a mostly pointless back and forth. I work for a state government and semi-regularly meet with our governor in NV. In the past 9 months, he has made it clear that he addressed the topic and does not want to rehash it. Whether or not, someone should brush it aside is up to the person. My point is not about what it should be but rather what is. 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

I posted about how at least governments are putting this topic behind them and it led to a mostly pointless back and forth. I work for a state government and semi-regularly meet with our governor in NV. In the past 9 months, he has made it clear that he addressed the topic and does not want to rehash it. Whether or not, someone should brush it aside is up to the person. My point is not about what it should be but rather what is. 

Ahhhh.

You're against re-hashing this topic.  So......you're here on this thread talking about it, to stop it being talked about, or.....?

Thanks for your answer.

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

meet with our governor in NV.

I lived there for a while - beautiful state.  I miss it a lot.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Ahhhh.

You're against re-hashing this topic.  So......you're here on this thread talking about it, to stop it being talked about, or.....?

Thanks for your answer.

I lived there for a while - beautiful state.  I miss it a lot.

Honestly, I think that society is moving on from it. I think that some know this but do not want to accept it. It really bothers them that they have no captive audience. They are free to keep going even if no one is listening. 

[Goddess]

37 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Honestly, I think that society is moving on from it. I think that some know this but do not want to accept it. It really bothers them that they have no captive audience. They are free to keep going even if no one is listening. 

It may be harder for some to just move on, depending on their pandemic experiences.

For myself, my sister became permanently disabled by the vaccine and I've been quite alone in supporting her both physically and financially, because no one wants to hear about it.

I'm quite involved in the vax-injured and dead community because of it - most don't know how many of us there are.  Again, because no one wants to hear about it.

Others have lost their jobs and careers over an injection that doesn't give immunity.

Pretty much everyone who chose to not take it, were treated horribly by society - zealots calling for jailings, fines, confinement to homes, not being able to see loved ones for years at a time, missing funerals and weddings, not being allowed to be with their dying elderly loved ones, and the elderly themselves being condemned to die alone. 

Some had children who suffered from school lockdowns that went on far too long and for no scientific reason, or teenagers who committed suicide under harsh lockdowns. Or young people who succumbed to addictions due to extended lockdowns, again for no scientific reason.

One of my friends has an autistic son who is still furious about not being able to go to his high school graduation and prom.

It changed lives, often for the worse.  And finding out it was all for nothing.....

People need to make sense of it all.

And to be heard.

Edited April 16 by Goddess

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You didn't make any points.

Awwww - i made plenty of course but i guess that's your way of saying "I lost and i'm seriously butthurt about it" 

And i love that you and exflyer are going for matching insults now - you to look cute as a button

Better luck next time little guy  

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Some of us think killing and maiming children so 97-year-olds can have a couple extra months is what is completely insane.

Well, given the miniscule number of 97 year olds there are compared to everyone else I'd probably have disagreed with the need to marshal all the world's governments, media and corporations into a world wide conspiracy to save them at all costs too.

It would be insane to put nearby 8 billion of us through what happened for some 700000 really old farts around the world.

It must have been them who orchestrated everything.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, given the miniscule number of 97 year olds there are compared to everyone else I'd probably have disagreed with the need to marshal all the world's governments, media and corporations into a world wide conspiracy to save them at all costs too.

 

So you're saying you support killing granny?

(basically the pro vax argument since day one)

[impartialobserver]

20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It may be harder for some to just move on, depending on their pandemic experiences.

For myself, my sister became permanently disabled by the vaccine and I've been quite alone in supporting her both physically and financially, because no one wants to hear about it.

I'm quite involved in the vax-injured and dead community because of it - most don't know how many of us there are.  Again, because no one wants to hear about it.

Others have lost their jobs and careers over an injection that doesn't give immunity.

Pretty much everyone who chose to not take it, were treated horribly by society - zealots calling for jailings, fines, confinement to homes, not being able to see loved ones for years at a time, missing funerals and weddings, not being allowed to be with their dying elderly loved ones, and the elderly themselves being condemned to die alone. 

Some had children who suffered from school lockdowns that went on far too long and for no scientific reason, or teenagers who committed suicide under harsh lockdowns. Or young people who succumbed to addictions due to extended lockdowns, again for no scientific reason.

One of my friends has an autistic son who is still furious about not being able to go to his high school graduation and prom.

It changed lives, often for the worse.  And finding out it was all for nothing.....

People need to make sense of it all.

And to be heard.

Thanks for the civil response. No one in my family/friends/work circle suffered any ill effects. Some got vaxxed and some did not but there were no horror stories. My overall view of the situation is that most folks overreacted. I had covid twice. Once pre-vax and once after. Neither time was that terrible. Yes, some contracted it and it was not fun but I was never convinced that it was worse than the flu or other ailments. Six months after having covid the first time.. I had shingles and well that was considerably worse than covid. 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well, given the miniscule number of 97 year olds there are compared to everyone else I'd probably have disagreed with the need to marshal all the world's governments, media and corporations into a world wide conspiracy to save them at all costs too.

Let's not kid ourselves.

YOU might have fooled into believing it was about saving 97-year-olds, but a lot us figured out early on what it was really about: the biggest wealth transfer in human history.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you're saying you support killing granny?

(basically the pro vax argument since day one)

No I clearly said I support killing millions of babies to save myself.

You have the receipt.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Let's not kid ourselves.

YOU might have fooled into believing it was about saving 97-year-olds, but a lot us figured out early on what it was really about: the biggest wealth transfer in human history.

Oh, if that's the case you need to know the rich are still getting richer under Trudeau just like they did under Harper and this trend will continue unabated under Poilievre.

I'm on your side btw when it comes to reversing or at least slowing that down.

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

most folks overreacted.

Not just "folks".

Governments and institutions, which we rely on in times of disaster.

Some countries have had, or will be having Covid Pandemic Inquiries to discuss the over-reactions, what worked, what didn't.

I'm not in the "don't ever talk about what happened again" camp.  There are important lessons that must be learned from the over-reaction.

That's my feeling, tho.  Your mileage differs, I guess.  Glad you and your's are all okay and came out of it unscathed.

Thanks for responding. 🙂

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Goddess said:

Not just "folks".

Governments and institutions, which we rely on in times of disaster.

Some countries have had, or will be having Covid Pandemic Inquiries to discuss the over-reactions, what worked, what didn't.

I'm not in the "don't ever talk about what happened again" camp.  There are important lessons that must be learned from the over-reaction.

That's my feeling, tho.  Your mileage differs, I guess.  Glad you and your's are all okay and came out of it unscathed.

Thanks for responding. 🙂

When I say "folks" I am including government. I will say that it is amazing how the most ordinary of folks (on both sides) instantly became epidemiologists and doctors. They went from not knowing what the nucleus of a cell is to being lifetime experts. I have no respect or patience for faux experts. I am not a doctor and will own up to it. Now...if we are talking R or Python scripting, then sure I will tout myself. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I clearly said I support killing millions of babies to save myself.

You have the receipt.

Exactly!  And man - just TRY writing THAT off on your taxes!!!!

What's hilarious is that you instantly recognize how stupid an argument it is when it's thrown in your face, but insist it's a perfectly valid one when you use it

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

When I say "folks" I am including government. I will say that it is amazing how the most ordinary of folks (on both sides) instantly became epidemiologists and doctors. They went from not knowing what the nucleus of a cell is to being lifetime experts. I have no respect or patience for faux experts. I am not a doctor and will own up to it. Now...if we are talking R or Python scripting, then sure I will tout myself. 

So you'd prefer to take the advice of professionals, none of whom are wrong.

Like Fauci.

Look - if you're deciding for yourself then that's fine. Hell i was vaxxed and boosted, i felt i was in the 'at risk' group where it made sense.

But what was wrong here was that people decided for others.  You should at least be able to say 'that was wrong and should never have happened'.

As to 'faux' experts - you do not need a degree to understand something. And as i've posted - many of the 'expert' opinoins of the time are now being found to have been wrong by other experts - and not 'controversially' but by accepted standards.

At the end of the day everyone should have the right to be presented with the facts and expert opinions AND - then be allowed to decide for themselves.

Is that really that hard to acknowledge?

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you'd prefer to take the advice of professionals, none of whom are wrong.

Like Fauci.

Look - if you're deciding for yourself then that's fine. Hell i was vaxxed and boosted, i felt i was in the 'at risk' group where it made sense.

But what was wrong here was that people decided for others.  You should at least be able to say 'that was wrong and should never have happened'.

As to 'faux' experts - you do not need a degree to understand something. And as i've posted - many of the 'expert' opinoins of the time are now being found to have been wrong by other experts - and not 'controversially' but by accepted standards.

At the end of the day everyone should have the right to be presented with the facts and expert opinions AND - then be allowed to decide for themselves.

Is that really that hard to acknowledge?

this is why I have no respect for WCM... the almighty assumption or filling in of the blanks. Where did I explicitly state that i trusted Fauci? Lets start with that. The forum is searchable so you should be able to find this pretty quickly. 

Edited April 16 by impartialobserver

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

this is why I have no respect for WCM... the almighty assumption or filling in of the blanks. Where did I explicitly state that i trusted Fauci? Lets start with that. The forum is searchable so you should be able to find this pretty quickly. 

You didn't - nor did i mean to say you did. The "Fauci' point was my example that there are lots of 'professionals' out there who were not just wrong, but were entirely dishonest.  When you say we should listen to the experts - it's worth reminding you what some of those experts look like

So now we've started and finished with that - how about you address the rest of my post which was the important part anyway.

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not just "folks".

Governments and institutions, which we rely on in times of disaster.

Canada's over-reaction kept our death and disease rates to half of those experienced in the US.

21 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm not in the "don't ever talk about what happened again" camp.  There are important lessons that must be learned from the over-reaction.

Your reaction is the go-to example of what we need to prevent in the case of future pandemic. Hopefully they'll have developed a vaccine that can be dispersed along with chemtrails by then so it won't matter how nuts you are.

[impartialobserver]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

When you say we should listen to the experts - it's worth reminding you what some of those experts look like

You are filling in the blanks again. Never did I say what someone should do. I am simply pointing out a lot of folks who had zero medical background were suddenly experts. It can be difficult to discern a true expert in a field. Its not like you walk up to them and they give you their credential and life history on demand. I found a lot of experts on BOTH sides to be full of it. Hence, why I stopped paying close attention to it.  I already have a fairly cynical view of society and this did not nothing to change it. If I do not know much about a topic.. I will say so and move on. 

Edited April 16 by impartialobserver