Canadian Government must support the Women of Iran against the repressive Islamic Republic.

[blackbird]

21 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The murderous islamic republic security forces now targeted doctors and nurses after kidnapping dead bodies they kill and those injured and  in emergencies. They kill doctors too if they help patients in emergencies. Canadian doctors wishing to help the colleagues in Iran targeted by this fascist islamic state.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9370851/canadian-doctors-iran-killed/

undercover officers of the Islamic Republic who often visit public hospital emergency departments searching for people injured while fighting for their freedoms on the streets – and the doctors treating them.

Iranian healthcare professionals are putting their lives at risk and facing death to help treat them.

The regime’s security forces, she said, are demanding names and details of anyone seeking treatment for wounds that could have been received in demonstrations.

 

 

Yes, that is a real barbaric theocracy.  They are violating international law right and left.  I know it is very disturbing but what can other countries do?

Canada has supported the toothless U.N. for many years but they seem useless.  How much money has Canada put into the U.N. and still putting in to fight the phony war on climate change?  The U.N. should be going into Iran and dealing with them.  The U.N. is made up of about 200 countries I believe.  Surely they could do something useful for a change besides just talk.

Edited December 24, 2022 by blackbird

[Contrarian]

Germany said it’s suspending trade-promotion programs for Iran, citing the “very serious situation” in the country.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/germany-suspends-iran-trade-programs-as-eu-cites-worsening-ties-1.1863026

Edited December 24, 2022 by Contrarian

[CITIZEN_2015]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

Yes, that is a real barbaric theocracy.  They are violating international law right and left.  I know it is very disturbing but what can other countries do?

Canada has supported the toothless U.N. for many years but they seem useless.  How much money has Canada put into the U.N. and still putting in to fight the phony war on climate change?  The U.N. should be going into Iran and dealing with them.  The U.N. is made up of about 200 countries I believe.  Surely they could do something useful for a change besides just talk.

The other countries must break off all diplomatic relations with this murderous regime and halt to all trades. Stop negotiating with this regime on nuclear accord. By having a relation with this regime the West mainly Europe is recognizing this brutal regime as a legitimate government whereas they are bunch of terrorists taken a defenseless nation hostage for years and killing them for asking their basic rights. They do not represent the nation of Iran so do not give legitimacy to this murderous regime. 

As for Canada, add IRGC to the list of terrorist organizations immediately and those who served in the regime and now here by lying about their criminal past must be deported immediately. The relatives like sons and daughters of  regime elements like those in the government or in the mullahs; circles must be deported immediately.

No military intervention. 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The other countries must break off all diplomatic relations with this murderous regime and halt to all trades. Stop negotiating with this regime on nuclear accord. By having a relation with this regime the West mainly Europe is recognizing this brutal regime as a legitimate government whereas they are bunch of terrorists taken a defenseless nation hostage for years and killing them for asking their basic rights. They do not represent the nation of Iran so do not give legitimacy to this murderous regime. 

As for Canada, add IRGC to the list of terrorist organizations immediately and those who served in the regime and now here by lying about their criminal past must be deported immediately. The relatives like sons and daughters of  regime elements like those in the government or in the mullahs; circles must be deported immediately.

No military intervention. 

I don't think sanctions will do much.  They are not going to stop the horrors.  

They must be stopped from getting nuclear weapons.  Negotiations is the only way I know of.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think sanctions will do much.  They are not going to stop the horrors.  

They must be stopped from getting nuclear weapons.  Negotiations is the only way I know of.  

I was talking about cutting diplomatic relations (dismiss their mercenary ambassadors and recall your ambassadors), but yes full sanctions included. Isolate this regime as the Western democracy did Hitler or al least as much as West did more recently to Putin's regime. Add IRGC to terrorist list. Deport current and former regime associates. DO NOT NEGOTIATE A DEAL WITH THIS MURDEROUS REGIME. THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO THEIR SIDE OF AGREEMENT. Isolate the regime and toughen sanctions and fully support the nation of Iran so that they can remove this brutal regime and end the nuclear nightmare.

Edited December 25, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I was talking about cutting diplomatic relations (dismiss their mercenary ambassadors and recall your ambassadors), but yes full sanctions included. Isolate this regime as the Western democracy did Hitler or al least as much as West did more recently to Putin's regime. Add IRGC to terrorist list. Deport current and former regime associates. DO NOT NEGOTIATE A DEAL WITH THIS MURDEROUS REGIME. THEY DO NOT LIVE UP TO THEIR SIDE OF AGREEMENT. Isolate the regime and toughen sanctions and fully support the nation of Iran so that they can remove this brutal regime and end the nuclear nightmare.

I'm not sure that sanctions will work.  How is anybody going to remove the Islamic regime when they control the army, police, and all government and have the weapons and money?

[CITIZEN_2015]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

I'm not sure that sanctions will work.  How is anybody going to remove the Islamic regime when they control the army, police, and all government and have the weapons and money?

Again I asked for cutting all diplomatic relations to isolate the murderous regime and not legitimize it by negotiating with it.

It is called revolution. Dissatisfaction spreads to all levels of society including armed forces. Widespread strikes by all workers especially in oil and automobile industries and shopkeepers. Uprising is so massive that the armed forces would refuse to fire on mass crowd who are their own sisters and brothers to benefit few rich corrupt murderous bastards at the top. Instead they join the people for a better future together. It has happened quite a few times before like but this time in Iran it will be led by women.

in 1789 in France, called French revolution.

in 1917 in Russia called Russian revolution.

in 1979 in Iran called Islamist coup.

In 2023 in Iran . Will be called the true Iranian revolution for

.WOMAN LIFE FREEDOM

Edited December 25, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

The story of a female protestor hiding in Iran help by other Iranians and still active for Woman, Life and Freedom.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/hiding-in-plain-sight-the-network-of-citizens-sheltering-iran-s-protesters-1.6208389

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

No going back. Revolution will rage on till victory. Islamic regime must go.

After 100 days of brutal crack down and extreme violence by Islamic regime and hundreds of dead and thousands arrested, tortured, raped, there is no going back now. Islamic republic must go in its entirety and democracy is awaiting a determined nation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64062900 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Another sad news from Iran. Another child shot dead by islamic republic mercenaries.

On SundayDec 25th as the world is celebrating Christmas, a 12 year old girl by the name of Saha Etebari was killed by Islamic republic security forces while she was riding with her parents.

Down with islamic republic

Death to islamic Shia clergy

This regime is worse than Hitler's Nazi regime. 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Contrarian]

Iranian authorities ordered a Dubai-bound flight to land on Monday, barring family members of an outspoken Iranian football icon from leaving the country and accusing them of taking part in anti-government protests.

The wife and a daughter of Ali Daei were removed from the Mahan Air flight after it was ordered to land on Iran’s Kish Island. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-26/iran-detains-flight-carrying-family-of-famed-footballer-daei?leadSource=uverify wall

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/25/2022 at 3:18 AM, jatt47 said:

I think treating Iran more openly would weaken the regime more than sanctions or isolation.

 

The Western democracies opposing Hitler all had colonies.

Modern Western regimes have serious issues with international exploitation and falling wages.

 

Letting young Iranis see what they're missing, and integrating the elite economically is the way forward.

 

One catches more flies with honey than smoke.

Not accusing you of anything but it looks like a post from the cyber army or intelligent service of Islamic republic.

This FASCIST Islamic regime with the most dreadful murders as their leaders have taken a nation of 80 million  hostage, shooting them to death every day for asking their basic rights and putting them in jails, subjecting them to torture and rape and hanging and terrorizing this nation every day hiring the most murderous mercenaries to kill defenseless women and children at will and randomly while kidnapping the dead bodies of protesters they have murdered and the patients in hospital they have shot and killing over 60 children for opposing to this murderous regime and raping female protesters under islamic law and supporting other murderous regimes of Putin in Russia and Assad of Syria .........and and and you wish to offer honey to them.

In addition I have hard time understanding your writing or English.  

Edited December 28, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/25/2022 at 3:18 AM, jatt47 said:

Letting young Iranis see what they're missing, and integrating the elite economically is the way forward.

One catches more flies with honey than smoke.

 

It is Iranians not Iranis. You write like an Iranis  with English as second language.

One catches more flies with honey than vinegar not smoke.

Edited December 27, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/25/2022 at 3:18 AM, jatt47 said:

 

Modern Western regimes have serious issues with international exploitation and falling wages.

What on earth is this supposed to mean.

Exploitation is when you kill your own people. Exploitation is when you force a child to marry a man much older. Exploitation isw when you steal from the nation and keeping the nation poor. Exploitation is when your leader order mass shooting into crowd and murder women and children. ordering executions, use of live bullets on unarmed demonstrators,  torture and rape in islamic republic is far worse than exploitation. So don't you come here and accuse the West of exploitation.

Taking about falling wages!!!!. Your bosses have informed you wrong. Wages are rising rapidly in the West that was why they had to raise interest rates. If you meant falling standard of living then your regime has done much worse to standard of living than any other country in the world. Inflation in Iran is at over 60% official rate (in reality it is higher) and wage increases average under 20%.

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[Contrarian]

In Iran, More And More Photos Show Women Ditching The Hijab:

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-women-without-hijab-protests/32195608.html

Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian

[CITIZEN_2015]

Staying silent about persecutions is the same as supporting the persecutor.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

In Iran, More And More Photos Show Women Ditching The Hijab:

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-women-without-hijab-protests/32195608.html

WOMAN LIFE FREEDOM.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 12/26/2022 at 3:03 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Another sad news from Iran. Another child shot dead by islamic republic mercenaries.

On SundayDec 25th as the world is celebrating Christmas, a 12 year old girl by the name of Saha Etebari was killed by Islamic republic security forces while she was riding with her parents.

Down with islamic republic

Death to islamic Shia clergy

This regime is worse than Hitler's Nazi regime. 

 

 

12 year old child shot dead by islamic republic mercenaries.

https://thenationview.com/world-news/140698.html

[Contrarian]

Recent Key Takeaways:

Some elements of the Iranian regime are increasingly framing the protest movement as an insurgency.

No senior officials have yet indicated that they will adopt this harsher legal approach, but their recent rhetoric suggests it is possible.

There is some evidence indicating that components of this protest movement have indeed crossed the threshold to be considered an insurgency. 

The external messaging of different protest organizations may indicate divergent focuses. 

Protest coordinators and organizations called for demonstrations on December 29 to commemorate several different killed protesters. 

At least five protests occurred in three cities across two provinces. 

Security forces are likely trying to contain commemoration ceremonies for the protesters killed when the IRGC Ground Forces deployed to West Azerbaijan Province in late-November 2022. 

Social media users documented children participating in various kinds of protest activity in Mahabad, West Azerbaijan Province.

Supreme Human Rights Council Secretary Kazem Gharib Abadi denied reports of sexual abuse of female prisoners.

Iranian proxies in Iraq may attack US positions there to commemorate the three-year anniversary of the US killing Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mehdi al Muhandis. 

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-december-27

Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 hours ago, jatt47 said:

 

That's really my position here: that in condemning the Irani regime, a noble cause, you inadvertently support White Supremacy. 

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Why on earth is that condemning a murderous child killer regime such as Islamic republic of Iran is advocating white supremacy!!!!!!!. Do you mean that some people can get away with murder because they have color skin!!!!!!???? Do you mean a color man can murder white wife or police officer and it is okay because he is colored??

Note that racism is not limited to whites hating the colored. It can be other way round too and it is as bad.

[Contrarian]

A top female Iranian chess player has competed without a hijab at an international tournament in Kazakhstan, in an apparent gesture of solidarity with widespread protests in Iran triggered by the death of a young woman in police custody in September.

(Radio Free Europe).

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 hours ago, jatt47 said:

Reverse racism is a red herring. Stop: https://www.instagram.com/p/CmssFb_AM8g/?hl=en

This is what Western help to Iran is like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917–1919

Toxic masculinity in the third world is a defense mechanism vs centuries of white supremacy & economic exploitation.

Rather than, address the root causes you seek a neo-colonialism through NGOs - modern East India Companies.

 

With white women leaving white men in droves, there's a demand to 'liberate' naive young women from the third world.

Demanding third world brown women undress to suit your ideological causes is nothing but perversion.

 

I don't think the law has ever treated us equally, and white men regularly do get away with murder.

You're so focused on the percieved racism against white people that it blinds you to injustice.

 

Get help.

Thanks,

 

May your soul find peace.

You are the one who really needs help. Not sure what kind of racism or what you perceived as racism you have been subjected to in your life, that you appear to hate white people. You are as bad if not worse than white supremacist. 

You link every discussion to white supremacy!!!!. Discussion in this thread is about a murderous regime in Iran taking a nation hostage and murdering defenseless women and children and you instead of opposing the evil deeds and supporting this defenseless victims somehow manage to hijack the thread and in a disturbed manner connect opposition to this fascist islamic murderous regime to supporting the white supremacists!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread is not about brown and white but rather the brutal crackdown of a murderous regime against a defenseless nation.

[Contrarian]

31 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Not sure

In my opinion -> Some people get the stick when meeting westerners. Examples are like this in every immigrant community, including mine. Went through it myself with the language/degree at the very beginning. 

Some learn to not take it personally, build a somewhat normal life and invest all their time on leaving something behind for family, or work-wise. 

The others, rage about the flaws of the system in which they don't adapt blaming "forces". 

---> The person posting on the previous page seems to have fixation on white people as every comment is towards this. 

The white supremacist does the same, they say the reason their "perfect society" is not working is due to the outside, globalisation and whatever other conspiracies they come up with. They too have a fixation, but for minorities.

Comes on the forum and advocates no support to be given to Iranians protesters because indirectly this is supporting white supremacy? 😅 Not even Nikola Tesla could come up with such complexity. 

--> PS for you: I don't think you are pro-western when it comes to your home country, you advocated several times for non-intervention and that this is a fight of the Iranian people. My message to you is the same, Iran will need help in the event that they bring down the Shia power structure.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

31 minutes ago, jatt47 said:

1. I'm not advocating non-intervention, but to remain focused on the issue.

2. It's real easy to go from women empowerment to Islamophobia & racism.

3. That's already happened, and silence is violence - denying racism is racist.

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4. White supremacy and global inequity create both Iran & the modern West.

5. A West in which racial minorities are routinely brutalized by police services.

6. If you can't see the link & think calling out White Supremacy = White Hate;

Then you Sir, are part of the problem.

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7. Anyway, with 500000 immigrants a year Canada isn't going to get any less diverse so get used to such convos.

 

1. I was talking about @CITIZEN_2015, he never said for Western Forces to come into Iran. He supports Iranian protest only as per exchanging ideas with him prior. He can confirm. 

2. I don't understand this point. I think opposite. White supremacists and Islamic Shia power structure always think of women as second class citizens. 

3. I don't deny racism and friction from the local population towards the immigrant community. I was one that arrived with a few words of English into Canada many many years ago, and got the stick too. 

4. Adolph was defeated in 1945. As for global inequality and West's flaws, which there are many, is true, what is the alternative? Das Kapital was tried to address "the people" concerns due to inequality and it was a disaster worse than organised religion. As for colonialism, go and sue the white families that benefited over it, what it this has to do with me, an immigrant that came here with nothing? Should we go after the Romans too? What about the Greek ancient writers, their philosophy might be too Western for you. 

5. There are issues with police unions corruption, some protect racist rotten apples, but to compare this with what the IRGC or the FSB does in Iran or Russia is just propaganda from someone that has anti-Western BIAS. 

6. Why don't you start a McCarthy type of hearing back in the day and judge white people? Call them up and ask them their "sins". Just make sure you have another judge beside you, if you are the only judge, you might confuse your BIAS with truth. 

7. Great, more views and perceptions to exchange ideas with. If you are one of them, just don't expect the red carpet will be rolled for you, work, frustration and personal ups and many downs will come. 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, jatt47 said:

It's real easy to go from women empowerment to Islamophobia & racism.

Are you you trying to say that allowing women to remove their hijabs will lead to islamophobia and racism?

What paranoid religious kook told you that?

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That's already happened, and silence is violence - denying racism is racist.

Is it religious bigotry to deny the religious bigotry that you're denying?

Is it misogyny to deny the crazy amount of misogyny that you're denying?

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White supremacy and global inequity create both Iran & the modern West.

Iranians are mainly caucasian, white supremacy is your bogeyman and you need some valium, Iran is only a shithole because it's run by religious zealots. 

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A West in which racial minorities are routinely brutalized by police services.

Comparing the treatment of minorities in the west with the treatment of women in muslim countries is like comparing working at the mall to slavery.  

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Then you Sir, are part of the problem.

Your drivel is part of the problem, kid. 

My advice to you: learn how to make it rhyme.