Canadian Government must support the Women of Iran against the repressive Islamic Republic.

[Contrarian]

The United Nations is labelling the situation in Iran -> as "critical" .

The Islamic Republic has been gripped by nationwide protests since the death of 22-year-old Kurdish woman Mahsa Amini in morality police custody on Sept. 16 after she was arrested for wearing clothes deemed "inappropriate".

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-situation-critical-with-more-than-300-killed-un-rights-chief-2022-11-22/

Edited November 22, 2022 by Contrarian

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Recent: 

The Iranian regime has adopted what increasingly resembles a counter-insurgency approach rather than a counter-protest one to manage the ongoing unrest.

The regime has expanded its internet and telecommunications disruptions, limiting the amount of open-source information available on the situations in northwestern and western Iran.

Parliamentarian Jalal Mahmoud Zadeh called for an investigation into the regime crackdown in Mahabad on November 21—the latest dissent by a lawmaker representing a location in which the regime has conducted a brutal crackdown.

Iranian ambassador to Iraq Mohammad Kazem Al-e Sadegh issued an ultimatum with a deadline in 10 days for Iraq to disarm Kurdish militant groups or face unspecified consequences.

At least 16 protests took place in 12 cities across eight provinces.

LEC Fars Provincial Commander Brigadier General Roham Bakhsh Habibi announced the arrest of eight members of the Shiraz Neighborhood Youth.

Several dozen Sunni clerics and religious leaders in Kurdistan Province issued a video statement expressing support for the protesters.

Supreme Leader Military Adviser IRGC Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi warned that protests will continue unless the regime addresses the people’s frustrations.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-november-21

The regime is very unpopular and is sinking in their own dirt losing their their minority support even more so are resorting to most unthinkable ways to suppress the revolution. Trying to create fear among the nation, and many kidnapping and rapes and direct shootings into unarmed crowd and killing them and death sentences have not worked  for them so they are now trying to create a civil war by sending heavily armed revolutionary guards to the defenseless province of Kurdistan killing unarmed civilians in hundreds hoping that they pick up arms and fight back and then they wish to declare civil war and use the army to suppress revolution all over Iran against peaceful unarmed demonstrators.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Toronto student beaten to death by islamic republic regime security forces.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ali-araghi-toronto-student-killed-iran-1.6661612

 

[Contrarian]

Tensions ran high at Iran’s second match at the World Cup on Friday as fans supporting the Iranian government harassed those protesting against it and stadium security seized flags, T-shirts and other items expressing support for the protest movement that has gripped the Islamic Republic.

Some fans were stopped by stadium security from bringing in Persian pre-revolutionary flags to match against Wales at the Ahmad Bin Ali Stadium. Others carrying such flags had them ripped from their hands by pro-government Iran fans. Iran won 2-0. 

(SportsNet). 

The regime, like in Saudi Arabia is using the moment as a "Colosseum" moment and the TV in Iran is playing the victory goals. 

Next game at the World Cup, Iran - USA -> will bring more attention to Iran's events. 

Iran also is securing its borders in some reports saying they fear "infiltration". 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Contrarian

[Contrarian]

@CITIZEN_2015

I had something trending on my app, and maybe you can give your perspective as to why the Jewish community in Tehran would support the regime during this protests? 

Tehran Jewish community says it sides with regime amid Iran protests

https://www.timesofisrael.com/tehran-jewish-community-says-it-sides-with-regime-amid-iran-protests/

I hope for Democracy this movement wins, but the issue will be if this becomes kind of like a Shia vs Sunni as many Sunni preachers are now sabotaging this, do you think the threat (political, etc) from the Sunni groups might not help the protesters and some of the Iranian society will not support the protests further?

I mean you saw today, the Iranian team played well and celebrations were being used as propaganda now inside Iran. 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Contrarian

[CITIZEN_2015]

9 hours ago, Contrarian said:

@CITIZEN_2015

I had something trending on my app, and maybe you can give your perspective as to why the Jewish community in Tehran would support the regime during this protests? 

Tehran Jewish community says it sides with regime amid Iran protests

https://www.timesofisrael.com/tehran-jewish-community-says-it-sides-with-regime-amid-iran-protests/

I hope for Democracy this movement wins, but the issue will be if this becomes kind of like a Shia vs Sunni as many Sunni preachers are now sabotaging this, do you think the threat (political, etc) from the Sunni groups might not help the protesters and some of the Iranian society will not support the protests further?

I mean you saw today, the Iranian team played well and celebrations were being used as propaganda now inside Iran. 

The regime is trying very hard to make it look like a civil war to scare Iranians and to have an excuse to crack down harder and enter the army to counter the revolution and so far it has failed badly. This is not a Shia vs Sunni war. This is the war between the nation of Iran regardless of religion or race or gender against a fascist islamic republic.  Iran nation is politically too mature and fully aware of this plot by this regime because same tricks and plots have baan used against them to divide the nation and rule many times before over the past 44 years.

As the support from Jewish community, not so sure it is from the community itself but rather the selected or appointed (by regime) well paid leaders who like many other community leaders will be sacked and jailed unless they fully support the regime. This is not limited to Jewish communities but many other communities as well. Also the Jewish community is a small community and unless they fully obey and strictly follow the line set by the regime, they will be liquidated. Easily accused of collaboration with Israel and its members killed. It is an Islamic fascist state after all. Look what has been happening to Bahais in Iran. And nobody can or will protect them within fascist Iran.

[Contrarian]

9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The regime is trying very hard to make it look like a civil war to scare Iranians and to have an excuse to crack down harder and enter the army to counter the revolution and so far it has failed badly. This is not a Shia vs Sunni war. This is the war between the nation of Iran regardless of religion or race or gender against a fascist islamic republic.  Iran nation is politically too mature and fully aware of this plot by this regime because same tricks and plots have baan used against them to divide the nation and rule many times before over the past 44 years.

As the support from Jewish community, not so sure it is from the community itself but rather the selected or appointed (by regime) well paid leaders who like many other community leaders will be sacked and jailed unless they fully support the regime. This is not limited to Jewish communities but many other communities as well. Also the Jewish community is a small community and unless they fully obey and strictly follow the line set by the regime, they will be liquidated. Easily accused of collaboration with Israel and its members killed. It is an Islamic fascist state after all. Look what has been happening to Bahais in Iran. And nobody can or will protect them within fascist Iran.

Thank you for posting. I did my reading about the Baha'i, earlier this year lots of members were denied university entry even though the grades were there. 

I am starting to lean towards this too, the system is definitely taking advantage of this phenomena to create this idea, this panic that there is a civil war as these recent takeaways from ISW show. 

See the bold, this is from yesterday, so on one hand the system allows the messages of Sunni politicians/clerics to go out and then they announce troop deployment. All towards your point, to scare people and then one comes with the "solution" -> the green IRGC man and woman. 

Key Takeaways

• Prominent Sunni cleric Moulana Abdol Hamid continued to inspire protests.
• The IRGC Ground Forces has deployed armoured and special forces units to unspecified locations in northwestern and western Iran, likely to crack down on protesters and deter further demonstrations.
• US-based NGO Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRAI) estimated that the regime has arrested over 18,000 protesters thus far.
  
  (via ISW).

Edited November 26, 2022 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

On 11/22/2022 at 9:44 AM, Contrarian said:

The regime has expanded its internet and telecommunications disruptions, limiting the amount of open-source information available on the situations in northwestern and western Iran.

Sad how the actions of the Iranian gov't resemble the actions of the American and Canadian governments, by stopping the flow of accurate information on the internet.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 11/28/2022 at 12:44 PM, WestCanMan said:

Sad how the actions of the Iranian gov't resemble the actions of the American and Canadian governments, by stopping the flow of accurate information on the internet.

You are undermining the brutal actions of Iran regime in the minds of readers which include the use of live bullets on peaceful demonstrators causing hundreds of deaths and the murder and rape of children and teenage protesters and torture and rape in the jails by guards and investigators and secret police and arrest without warant of tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators and beating up some to death.  Did the Canadian government did all above? And btw, they completely shut down internet so that they can kill or do whatever they wish to suppress the uprising in the darkness of news. They didn't just stop the flow of accurate information.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are undermining the brutal actions of Iran regime in the minds of readers which include the use of live bullets on peaceful demonstrators causing hundreds of deaths and the murder and rape of children and teenage protesters and torture and rape in the jails by guards and investigators and secret police and arrest without warant of tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators and beating up some to death.  Did the Canadian government did all above? And btw, they completely shut down internet so that they can kill or do whatever they wish to suppress the uprising in the darkness of news. They didn't just stop the flow of accurate information.

No I'm not.

I made an accurate comparison between our gov't and that of Iran. 

We shouldn't be sharing any of their worst traits at all, yet here we are. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No I'm not.

I made an accurate comparison between our gov't and that of Iran. 

We shouldn't be sharing any of their worst traits at all, yet here we are. 

You made a very inaccurate and biased, even ridiculous comparison.

Our government does not violate women's rights or murder children in schools or order its security forces to shoot into peaceful demonstrators, murdering them or arrest innocent people and torture and rape them in prisons  as Iran regime does all of above and therefore your comparison trying to show to readers that they are even remotely the same is illogical, biased and ridiculous. 

[Contrarian]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You made a very inaccurate and biased, even ridiculous comparison.

Our government does not violate women's rights or murder children in schools or order its security forces to shoot into peaceful demonstrators, murdering them or arrest innocent people and torture and rape them in prisons  as Iran regime does all of above and therefore your comparison trying to show to readers that they are even remotely the same is illogical, biased and ridiculous. 

People lack perspective. Is hard for someone that was born and raised here to understand what oppressive really means. 

Oppressive here means vaccines and putting signs on public transit for people to follow + breaking up an outdoor party in Ottawa, but guess what, here you can vote them out. Liberals lost Ontario, they will lose federal, you can use the court system to ask for your rights -> the power of democracy, but still, is like in Iran and former Eastern Europe, some say. 😄

Oppressive for us and our families -> that seen the real deal directly or indirectly is: family torn apart or not even there, having the money but no food in the shelves, raids to check if Das Kapital (In your case the Quran) -> those cursed ideological books are in the library, hiding your true views/faith, being reported by your university so called friends for making jokes about the system, etc, etc, etc. 

but sure -> let us put the equal sign =. That will make it true.  

and here will come the typical answer: 
"You should know your history, we are heading there"  at which point I laugh. 😄

Edited December 1, 2022 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You made a very inaccurate and biased, even ridiculous comparison.

 

Liar. I talked specifically about the Iranian government's use of the internet to spread their own disinformation while clamping down on free, truthful speech: 

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Sad how the actions of the Iranian gov't resemble the actions of the American and Canadian governments, by stopping the flow of accurate information on the internet.

What part of that sentence accuses our gov'ts  anywhere that our government was involved in fundamentalist islamic misogyny/violence against women. 

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Our government does not violate women's rights or murder children in schools or order its security forces to shoot into peaceful demonstrators, murdering them or arrest innocent people and torture and rape them in prisons  as Iran regime does all of above and therefore your comparison trying to show to readers that they are even remotely the same is illogical, biased and ridiculous. 

That's all just a long-winded strawman argument, which is basically another way of saying that you lied to try to make a point that didn't need to be made.

Edited December 1, 2022 by WestCanMan

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Liar. I talked specifically about the Iranian government's use of the internet to spread their own disinformation while clamping down on free, truthful speech: 

Again not the same. Shutting down internet in order to mass murder in silence without being reported outside or reported at all is not the same as putting out misinformation. It is like saying a traffic violator who crosses red traffic light and a serial killer are both the same because they both break the law!!!!

Edited December 1, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Again not the same. Shutting down internet in order to mass murder in silence without being reported outside or reported at all is not the same as putting out misinformation. It is like saying a traffic violator who crosses red traffic light and a serial killer are both the same because they both break the law!!!!

Shutting down the internet to beat some people up and murder a few others vs shutting down the internet to cram unchallenged propaganda down our throats to trick everyone into taking a useless injection, and getting them to cheer on the forced injections of millions of others, all for a pseudovax with serious side-effects including death.... Potato - potahto. 

Iran's control of the internet is a moon-cast shadow of the control that our gov't has over the internet and MSM here. They actually managed to make useful ijjits out of the majority of the country: https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/majority-of-canadians-support-vaccination-mandates

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Toronto, ON, Aug 19^th, 2021 — The 44th Canadian Federal Election is already being dubbed “the pandemic election”, and we are barely into the first week of the campaign period. Is it any wonder then that subjects related to COVID-19 are top of mind for Canadians?

According to a recent Ipsos poll, in light of the recent mandate that vaccination will be mandatory for air and train travel as well as for public servants, Canadians show that not only do they agree with these measures, but they would support imposing a vaccine mandate for healthcare workers and teachers as well. A strong majority agree with the recently announced mandatory vaccination for federal public servants (80%) and the requirement for proof of vaccination for flying on an airplane or taking a train international or inter-provincially (82%). Similar proportions support mandatory vaccination for healthcare workers (84%), for teachers (81%), or vaccine passports to enter restaurants, gyms, or other indoor spaces (72%).

Is ipsos even 1% legit, you ask? Did 82% of Canadians really agree that we needed to vax teachers, healthcare workers, public servants, etc? Of course not. We never had 80% of Canadians vaxed back then, and the only reason we got anywhere near that is because we forced millions of people to take the shot.

That poll was undoubtedly BS, but CTV news had it all pegged at over 50%, which wouldn't surprise me when I listen to the bug-eyed vax-Nazis here.

 Should we do another poll now?

What % of Canadians would think the vax mandates were a great idea now if they knew that 86% of covid deaths here are among the multi-vaxed, and that covid deaths never went down one iota from 2021 to 2022???? 

 

Buddy, Canada doesn't just compare to Iran on the internet control/propaganda front, we dwarf them. Our gov't is every bit as controlling as Iran's when it comes to the flow of information, and the costs of standing up to our gov't are just as real. We take people's livelihoods away if they don't bow down. Canada is a craphole country right now.  

Edited December 1, 2022 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Liar. I talked specifically about the Iranian government's use of the internet to spread their own disinformation while clamping down on free, truthful speech: 

What part of that sentence accuses our gov'ts  anywhere that our government was involved in fundamentalist islamic misogyny/violence against women.

That part of the sentence is rooted in the compost you call a brain.

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That part of the sentence is rooted in the compost you call a brain.

You remind of Gollum, but without the cleverness and the fleeting moments of humanity. 

[Contrarian]

Recent Takeaways:

• Protest activity may increase on December 5-7.
• The recent calls for protests may highlight the increasing organization and sophistication of the protest movement as well as some fractures.
• Anti-regime outlet Iran International published a purportedly internal regime memo discussing the protests.
• Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammad Shia al Sudani met with US-sanctioned Astan Quds Razavi (AQR) Custodian Ahmad Marvi in Mashhad, Khorasan Razavi Province, possibly to discuss commercial or financial cooperation.
• At least nine protests took place in seven cities across six provinces.
• An Intelligence and Security Ministry member died due to an unspecified cause in Zabol, Sistan and Baluchistan Province.
  
  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-november-30

Edited December 1, 2022 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Recent Takeaways:

• An Intelligence and Security Ministry member died due to an unspecified cause in Zabol, Sistan and Baluchistan Province.
  
  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-november-30

Was he an elected or appointed official? Not that it makes much of a difference in Iran though lol. 

Weren't there accusations of some kind of genocide happening in Baluchistan a while ago? 

[Contrarian]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Was he an elected or appointed official?

@CITIZEN_2015 would have more information, in the article is only: 

Anti-regime militants commonly operate around Zabol and may have killed the intelligence officer. Over 60 security personnel have died since the protests began on September 16.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-november-30

When you pick up a sword, better be ready to pay the consequences for it -> is my view.  

Savak did abuse their power then the IRGC came.

Now -> IRGC upped the Savak in cruelty and terror, it looks like payback time. 

This is the IRGC high on their power arresting royal agents of the SAVAK and executing them shortly after in 1979 (with no trial I might add, the trial is that piece of paper) 

Entropy time now it seems. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

@CITIZEN_2015 would have more information, in the article is only: 

Anti-regime militants commonly operate around Zabol and may have killed the intelligence officer. Over 60 security personnel have died since the protests began on September 16.

Entropy time now it seems. 

Thank you for the accurate and informative reply, but it seems like what you're saying is that if they achieve anything they might just go from the frying pan right back into the fire...

I was trying to be hopeful for all the people who live in oppression, and I thought that there was a light at the end of the tunnel here, but all I see when I look at that is "sh1thole country and sh1thole country V2.0".

Wasn't Iran a very liveable, decent place back in the '70s? 

[Contrarian]

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wasn't Iran a very liveable, decent place back in the '70s? 

Very, however when the train of progress moves too fast, especially in the 1970's, it can derail. 

The Shah had flaws -> but he loved his country, maybe too much from what I've read, and when you love something too much, one loses reason and tends to go about unorthodox ways to achieve more, then physics slaps one in the face. Newton's third law. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-before-the-revolution-in-photos-2015-4

Edited December 1, 2022 by Contrarian

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

@CITIZEN_2015 would have more information, in the article is only: 

Anti-regime militants commonly operate around Zabol and may have killed the intelligence officer. Over 60 security personnel have died since the protests began on September 16.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-november-30

When you pick up a sword, better be ready to pay the consequences for it -> is my view.  

Savak did abuse their power then the IRGC came.

Now -> IRGC upped the Savak in cruelty and terror, it looks like payback time. 

This is the IRGC high on their power arresting royal agents of the SAVAK and executing them shortly after in 1979 (with no trial I might add, the trial is that piece of paper) 

Entropy time now it seems. 

 

IRGC by far outpace Savak or even Nazi secret police, Gestapo in cruelty and violence. They are a terror organization made in parallel with the army by Islamic Republic regime whose members control Iran's economy, nation and all of its resources and its main job is to protect the most evil people in the world (the ruling Shia clergy in Iran) and they do so by terrorizing a nation of over 80 million taken hostage by the worst possible terrorists ever ruled the world in the form of a government. They do this task by arbitrary arrests of slightest opposition to the regime, torture of opposition, kidnapping of even dead bodies, use of live bullets on peaceful protesters and rape of protesters in prisons and the murderous leader Khamenei has been them total green light and freedom to do whatever they wish to this defenseless nation. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/11/22/iranian-security-forces-raped-numerous-protestors-human-rights/

IRGC is also involved internationally in assassinating regime opposition members, bombing and terrorist actions in middle east as well as all over the world including attempted murders of former US politicians and killing of Israeli civilians and American soldiers in Iraq. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/01/iran-kidnapping-assassination-plots/

Canada and other free democratic countries must add the entire IRGC to the list of terrorist groups because this is exactly what they are and after the victory of Iranian revolution they all must be put on trail and punish for crimes against humanity.

Edited December 2, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

@CITIZEN_2015 would have more information, in the article is only: 

Anti-regime militants commonly operate around Zabol and may have killed the intelligence officer. Over 60 security personnel have died since the protests began on September 16.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-november-30

 

The article is all true. Anti-regime protesters so far have been peaceful especially in Kurdistan and Zahedan where the regime cracked down real hard and many peaceful protesters were shot to death for simply walking in protests. They may have been isolated cases of protesters taking actions against the fully armed and violent guards and plain cloth Basij but in general the protest has been peaceful and unarmed. One important reason is because the mainly young and women-led protesters are no match for the brutal regime.  The regime is very violent and armed to teeth and very willing to use their advantage to crack down real hard by murdering many thousands and is looking for an excuse to do just that without fierce international condemnation

[Contrarian]

Recent Key Takeaways:

• Protesters in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchistan Province rhetorically defended prominent Sunni cleric Moulana Abdol Hamid against the regime.
• The Raisi administration may be conducting a purge of local officials across Iran to install more loyal cadres.
• At least five protests took place in four cities across four provinces.
• Neighborhood youth groups disseminated instructions on how to prevent state security services from collecting intelligence on protesters in preparation for the planned protests on December 5-7.
  
  *Neighborhood youth groups disseminated instructions on how to prevent state security services from collecting intelligence on protesters in preparation for the planned protests on December 5-7. The Karaj group advised protesters to clear their cellphones and electronic devices of information related to the protests and relevant contacts, place their cellphones on airplane mode, and password-protect their Instagram accounts. The Mashhad Neighborhood Youth called on its “operational teams” to destroy CCTV cameras to prevent the state security services from using them to identify protesters. The Mashhad Neighborhood Youth has repeatedly issued guidance and instructions to these operational teams since November 2022, implying some level of organization within this particular group.
  
  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-december-1

Edited December 2, 2022 by Contrarian