Contrarian Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, jatt47 said: Listen kid, when you're a minority we'll find out how bad the West is compared to the east I guess. !Remindme in a decade. My friend, allow me to enter a new point that the new generations of kids don't have our original tribal mind. I once witnessed a young girl with a hijab speaking in a perfect English in the subway showing her mom, an immigrant geography on a smartphone. She was switching her languages like playing the piano. That's some positivity since you only focus on the negatives. Do you think those type of children that grew up with technology and Western modernity will turn against the system in which they were raised in? Never. They will improve it, yes, but not via the tactics that you suggest, to single out "white" groups as the main issue when it comes to immigrants. Your revolution is not coming and they won't make you into a red uniform general if you permit a welcome joke to the forum. 😂 Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jatt47 said: Agree. In essence, my point is the same - I'm against regime change & sanctions. These only punish regular people as seen in Iraq or Libya. Free trade, more education, and easier travel will dissolve these boundaries created by regimes. Whether Eastern or Western. Yes, but free trade, more education and easier travel need to be provided by regimes. The West does that for their citizens, the current Iran can not. Once the Mullahs open all those doors for their citizens, they lose their power. Some regimes maintain control exactly through not providing education for their women or travel outside. The West legitimacy in women issues will improve once Saudi Arabia takes the road of China which might happen very soon. As long as we keep the Sunni radicals around, is hard for politicians in the West to talk about women issues in Iran. When you have both presidents Obama (Democrat) and Trump (Republican) going there and dancing with previous century Kings and Princes, it takes away from the strength of the message towards pro-democratic forces in other areas is my view. Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, jatt47 said: Calling people of a certain culture or religion as belonging to a previous century is I call it Pro-Western BIAS. How can one argue for Saudi Arabia when they don't even allow a church or a synagogue to be built on their land.At least, the Shia in Iran allow such freedoms. Did that new prince put a new shirt on and smiled and won your heart? Do you know what he does to journalists in Istanbul? Call me what you want, but there is a limit when it comes to tolerance on my end. If you respect Saudi Arabia so much -> maybe exchange yourself with a woman there that can't even leave her house without a note from her man? Is like Christians hundreds of years ago. The only excuse which the Islam religion has is the time, they are a newer cult than Christianity and Judaism.The other 2, especially the first, hundreds of years ago were even more backwater to talk in my pro-western BIAS. 😃 Edited December 28, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 49 minutes ago, jatt47 said: Well, back to thread Canada, allies launch process to hold Iran legally accountable for downing Ukrainian flight PS752. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ukraine-plane-crash-flight-ps752-canada-iran/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jatt47 said: Sharia law is no less radical than western secularism, and the latter has caused far more destruction. This statement alone shows the extent of your ignorance (stupidity is a better word but I resist using the word). Cutting off people's limbs, forcing underaged children to be raped by older men, lashing for drinking alcohol. discrimination against women and forcing them to wear hijab and beating them up if they refuse and many other examples of stupid Sharia law are the same as Western secularism!!!!!!. Yeah if opposing these brutal laws are racism (according to you) then I am a proud racist. Your hatred and bigotry against white people has blinded you to see the evil's of Sharia law. Edited December 29, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Contrarian said: 1. I was talking about @CITIZEN_2015, he never said for Western Forces to come into Iran. He supports Iranian protest only as per exchanging ideas with him prior. He can confirm. r you, work, frustration and personal ups and many downs will come. I have said it many times. I do not wish military intervention in Iran. Iranians themselves will overthrow this regime and establish a free and democratic Iran free of viruses (mullahs). All I ask is for the West stop supporting the Islamic republic murderous regime. Every time the West negotiates or talks to this regime's ambassadors or trade with this regime they legitimize this barbaric regime and the killing of defenseless women and children. Edited December 29, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) Iranians unite all over the world to overthrow the fascist islamic republic. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/i-have-to-support-my-people-montreal-chef-turns-to-activism-as-brutality-continues-in-iran-1.6211140 Edited December 29, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jatt47 Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 33 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: This statement alone shows the extent of your ignorance (stupidity is a better word but I resist using the word). Cutting off people's limbs, forcing underaged children to be raped by older men, lashing for drinking alcohol. discrimination against women and forcing them to wear hijab and beating them up if they refuse and many other examples of stupid Sharia law are the same as Western secularism!!!!!!. Yeah if opposing these brutal laws are racism (according to you) then I am a proud racist. Your hatred and bigotry against white people has blinded you about the evil's of Sharia law. There's more than one school of law & I absolutely don't hate white people. Western secularism is concentration camps & genocidal residential schools by that definition. Anti-abrahamic overall, including liberalism which is political monotheism of a sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 Latest Key Takeaways: Iranian security officials and entities attempted to declare an end to protest activity on December 28 despite ongoing acts of anti-regime defiance documented throughout the country. Iran’s deteriorating economic and energy conditions have the potential to further inflame anti-regime demonstrations. At least four protests occurred in four cities across four provinces. Protest coordinators reiterated calls for anti-regime protests and strikes on December 29 and January 6-8. President Ebrahim Raisi and his cabinet appointed Hossein Mehrab as Khuzestan provincial governor on December 28. Former reformist President Hassan Rouhani discussed solutions to anti-regime activity with former governors from his administration on December 26. Social media users reported that petrochemical workers in Abadan, Khuzestan Province participated in anti-regime strikes for a third consecutive day. The Turkish, Russia, and Syrian Defense Ministers held a trilateral meeting on December 28 in Moscow.https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-december-28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, jatt47 said: I'm saying killing millions of Muslims in the name of human rights I also agree that we shouldn't interfere in their religious hatefest. They're not a civilized society. They'll always be killing each other. Best to leave them alone. Quote enslaving blacks for their own good. You have weird ideas about slavery. Quote Read Sir Robert Clive on feminism in the Orient. Whether the 19th C or today it was a tool for white men to spread their ideas & gain sexual access to the women. OMG you're a kook. Quote Like I said, white women are abandoning white men & the latter are now trying to fill the void with "mainly caucasian" counterparts. OMG you're a kook. Quote The present state of Muslim countries - which were very cosmopolitan before Western intervention is the conversation I'm trying to have. They never were, generally speaking. There are isolated pockets of cosmopolitan life in every country but that doesn't define the whole culture for those countries. The whole point of forcing women to wear hijabs/burkas, and to harass/threaten/spit on/beat/rape women who don't comply is part of a genocidal culture that goes back to Mohammed's time. He was kicked out of mecca for being a violent religious bigot himself before he came back with an army powerful enough to kill his way back in. In Canada the word "cosmopolitan" applies to every city, town and village in the country. You'll find people of all ethnicities and religions in the smallest of places. There's nowhere in this country where a woman would feel like she might be raped for wearing the wrong religious garb, or failing to wear the proper garb, and it's definitely not "legal" anywhere here. If you go to places like Iraq, Iran, etc, now or 400 years ago, 600 years ago, it doesn't matter, violent religious discrimination is endemic within their culture. The abject hatred of Hindus and other religions is normal. There would be places in big cities where tolerance is greater, in order to facilitate trade and to increase the wealth of the upper classes, but tolerance reduces to zero by the time you get past the wide, paved roads. Quote Listen kid, when you're a minority we'll find out how bad the West is compared to the east I guess. It's an absolute certainty that if people like you were in the majority, life would be hell for minorities. Edited December 29, 2022 by WestCanMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted December 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) Iranian marchers denounced the murderous Islamic Republic leader in renewed protests today. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-marchers-denounce-irans-supreme-leader-in-renewed-protests-in-countrys/ Death to the dictator, death to Khamenei!” protesters chanted in reference to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in a social media video said to be from Zahedan, capital of Sistan-Baluchistan province. Edited December 30, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 In video footage large crowds could be seen gathered at the Behesht-e Zahra cemetery in Tehran to hold a memorial for Hamidreza Rouza, a 19-year-old university student who was shot and killed by security services in November. People were seen chanting slogans and pumping their fists in the air before the gathering was violently dispersed by security forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) Iran holds military drill near strategic Strait of Hormuz. Iran’s military kicked off its annual drill in the coastal area of the Gulf of Oman and near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, state TV reported, even as the authorities continue their crackdown on anti-government protests that have been underway for over three months. The strait is located at the mouth of the Persian Gulf and is crucial to global energy supplies, with about a fifth of all oil traded at sea passing through it. The TV report said commandos and airborne infantry would participate in the wargames, dubbed “Zolfaghar-1401,” along with drones, fighter jets, helicopters, military transport aircraft and submarines. Iran’s military is to fire missiles and air defense systems as well, it added. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-iran-holds-military-drill-near-strategic-strait-of-hormuz-2/ Edited December 31, 2022 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 Islamic Republic is worse then state of fascism. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/01/iran-detains-top-footballers-at-new-years-eve-party Top Iranian football players arrested for having New Years party, alcohol consumption and mingling with opposite sex in the private home. The Islamic regime spy on citizens in their private homes. Will they start arresting women in Iran for taking off their clothing when taking shower at home soon? Down with Islamic Republic Death to Islamic Republic leaders and mercenary killers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Qasim Fathullahi, a member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), was shot and killed in front of his home in Tehran on Tuesday evening, according to Iranian reports. The assassination comes as Iran marks the anniversary of the assassination of IRGC Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani. Fathullahi served as a commander of a Basij base that is under the IRGC's Tharallah Headquarters command near the Imam Sajjad Mosque in Tehran. He was hit by four bullets, according to the IRGC-affiliated Tasnim News Agency. The assassination took place as anti-government protests continued to sweep Iran over 100 days since they began in mid-September. Throughout the protests, members of the IRGC and Basij have been reportedly killed and injured in a number of attacks. The IRGC and Basij are some of the main forces used to suppress protesters. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-726564 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Qasim Fathullahi, a member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), was shot and killed in front of his home in Tehran on Tuesday evening, according to Iranian reports. The assassination comes as Iran marks the anniversary of the assassination of IRGC Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani. Fathullahi served as a commander of a Basij base that is under the IRGC's Tharallah Headquarters command near the Imam Sajjad Mosque in Tehran. He was hit by four bullets, according to the IRGC-affiliated Tasnim News Agency. The assassination took place as anti-government protests continued to sweep Iran over 100 days since they began in mid-September. Throughout the protests, members of the IRGC and Basij have been reportedly killed and injured in a number of attacks. The IRGC and Basij are some of the main forces used to suppress protesters. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-726564 A proper punishment for mercenary murderous bastards. They are killing hundreds using live bullets. Torturing and raping arrested protesters every day in their prisons. Creating fear and terrorizing a defenseless nation taken hostage by a bunch of murderous mullahs and their mercenary Sepah and Basij. Victory to Iranian revolution. Death to murderous bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 A female chess player warned not to return to Iran and her parents in Iran threatened all because she refused to wear the hated hijab. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-chess-hijab-sara-khadem-1.6702024 Down with islamic republic Death to religious dictators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Recent Key Takeaways: The organizational structure of the protest movement is continuing to evolve and morph as its leaders try to cohere the movement. Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf and Judiciary Chief Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejei have both expressed concern about the Iranian economy in recent days, possibly indicating their doubts that President Ebrahim Raisi can improve the economic situation. Unidentified individuals shot and killed an IRGC member outside his home in Tehran Province. At least two protests took place in two cities across two provinces. The LEC clashed with an armed “terrorist team” in Sistan and Baluchistan Province. The IRGC Intelligence Organization seized 700 kilograms of explosive materials in Gharchak, Tehran Province.https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-january-3-2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 (edited) Recent Key Takeaways: Protester umbrella organizations appear to disagree on the timing of the upcoming planned protests. This division may be one of the factors depressing protester turnout. The regime continues to adopt more overtly authoritarian language and policies. At least one protest occurred in one city across one province. Iranian media reported that Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei has dismissed Brigadier General Hossein Ashtari as law enforcement commander. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei reiterated the mandatory hijab requirement during a meeting with female leaders. Likely Iranian proxies launched two rockets at US forces stationed at the Conoco International Coalition base in eastern Syria.https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-january-4-2023 ---> I don't think the regime change will happen this year. Unless the economy goes really bad, it won't generate enough people to change the Mullahs. The Israeli intelligence services said as much a few weeks ago. Maybe some reform will happen at the top, but I don't think that will save them overall. The system is due to fail in a few years is my estimation for now. Edited January 5 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Iran closes French institute over Charlie Hebdo cartoons https://www.thestar.com/news/world/middleeast/2023/01/05/iran-closes-french-institute-over-charlie-hebdo-cartoons.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Mehdi Beyk, the head of the political department of the reformist daily Etemad, has been arrested in Tehran, adding to the dozens of media members taken into custody by authorities amid months of unrest in Iran sparked by the death of a young woman while she was detained by the notorious morality police. Beyk was arrested by the Intelligence Ministry on January 5 and his mobile phone, notebook, and personal belongings were seized, his wife said on Twitter. Beyk is the third journalist arrested in the past few days. Shargh reporter Milad Alavi was arrested over the weekend, while journalist Mehdi Ghadimi was reportedly detained on January 1. https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-journalist-beyk-arrested-protests-crackdown/32212356.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 (edited) On 1/5/2023 at 7:11 AM, Contrarian said: The Israeli intelligence services said as much a few weeks ago. Maybe some reform will happen at the top, but I don't think that will save them overall. The system is due to fail in a few years is my estimation for now. Do you think that the Israeli intelligence would have said it so in public if the regime was about to fall? Or that the regime take counter measures? This regime will never reform. The murderous Islamic republic leader Khamenei will never take one step back because he believes taking any step backward will cause the fall of his brutal regime. He always uses the fall of Soviet Union as an example and he is dead against slightest reform as he believes the only way his Islamic republic can survive is by brutality, mass murder, fear, torture, rape and executions and so far he is proven right. Edited January 7 by CITIZEN_2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 (edited) Latest Key Takeaways: The Iranian regime failed to suppress demonstrations in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchistan Province on January 6. Confusing messaging from prominent protest organizations may risk further reducing protest activity. At least two protests occurred in two cities across two provinces. Several Friday Prayer Leaders stressed the importance of enforcing mandatory veiling laws on January 6. The US Department of Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned seven individuals associated with Iranian drone and ballistic missile sales to Russiahttps://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-crisis-update-january-6-2023 Edited January 7 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 (edited) 7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Israeli intelligence There's a new documentary about the history between Israel, Iran and The U.S. in the region. Origins of a conflict. I will post it here is via DW / German Public TV: Part 1: Part 2: Edited January 7 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 Iran regime executes more victims. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-executes-2-men-protests-1.6706884 Down with Islamic Republic Death to Islamic republic leaders Death to any religion which oppresses women, discriminates, invades, executes, rapes and tortures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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