athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: not the world they want to reclaim what they lost when the Soviet Union fell it's not like Putin hasn't openly stated as much Russia is clearly revanchist and isn't keeping it a secret they shout it from the rooftops if you don't believe that you don't know Russia or Putin Eastern Germany is now occupied by 40 military Anglo-Khazarian bases and 70,000 U.S. troops. Where can you see Russia there? Edited August 18, 2022 by athos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: NATO would mop the floor with Russia if Russia was all they were thought to be Ukraine would have fallen in a few weeks instead the Russians are in a quagmire against an opponent nowhere near NATO's level because their military capabilities were massively overrated to the point they believed their own hype and shot themselves in the foot with a foolish invasion What is NATO waiting for? If Russia is as weak as you say, then let's wipe the floor with Russia. Please stop contradicting yourself with illogical statements and your ideological blindness. Try to be rational. Thank you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, athos said: What is NATO waiting for? If Russia is as weak as you say, then let's wipe the floor with Russia. Please stop contradicting yourself with illogical statements and your ideological blindness. Try to be rational. Thank you if NATO wipes the floor with Russia then they'll be totally cornered and they will probably resort to nukes in that scenario so not exactly ideal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, athos said: Eastern Germany is now occupied by 40 military Anglo-Khazarian bases and 70,000 U.S. troops. Where can you see Russia there? they don't need East Germany but they are after Eastern Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: they don't need East Germany but they are after Eastern Poland ????????????? Please explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, athos said: ????????????? Please explain? they need to narrow the geographical gap on the Northern European Plain to better secure their borders as well as the Soviets did the Vistula is the perfect place to do just that Edited August 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) Quote Who did develop the Sarmat and Poseidon that keep the west more peaceful than it should be.  They're both quite the machines by the looks. The one drawback to the Sarmat is that it's using hypergolic fuel which opens a whole can of worms just handling dangerous liquids. It needs to be fueled-up just before launch which means extra time as well as a convoy of extra vehicles to do the job at hand. The older Topol M uses solid fuel which means it is ALWAYS fueled-up & ready to go. Thirty second set-up time compared to over a half hour for the Sarmat. No extra vehicles needed. But, I suppose the old Topol M's simple ballistic trajectory is getting a bit vulnerable in these days of better missile defense. The Yars is better having MIRV capability...same machine updated somewhat. The Poseidon...a nuclear powered unmanned submarine...is pretty sinister. It can not be intercepted by current methods. Travels VERY deep at very high speed. Over 50 kts. Lack of shielding limits its use to a several days by current estimates before it slowly fries its own components. I'm sure they're working on that... Early estimates had the Poseidon carrying a dead-man's stick 50-100 megaton warhead. But it seems more likely that it would be in the 2 megaton range or less. Those underwater types of nuclear explosions create a LOT of radioactive fallout and nobody wants a big mess. It likely carries a variety of extra weapons and gear including its own torpedoes, drones and such. Edited August 19, 2022 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Â They're both quite the machines by the looks. The one drawback to the Sarmat is that it's using hypergolic fuel which opens a whole can of worms just handling dangerous liquids. It needs to be fueled-up just before launch which means extra time as well as a convoy of extra vehicles to do the job at hand. The older Topol M uses solid fuel which means it is ALWAYS fueled-up & ready to go. Thirty second set-up time compared to over a half hour for the Sarmat. No extra vehicles needed. But, I suppose the old Topol M's simple ballistic trajectory is getting a bit vulnerable in these days of better missile defense. The Yars is better having MIRV capability...same machine updated somewhat. The Poseidon...a nuclear powered unmanned submarine...is pretty sinister. It can not be intercepted by current methods. Travels VERY deep at very high speed. Over 50 kts. Lack of shielding limits its use to a several days by current estimates before it slowly fries its own components. I'm sure they're working on that... Early estimates had the Poseidon carrying a dead-man's stick 50-100 megaton warhead. But it seems more likely that it would be in the 2 megaton range or less. Those underwater types of nuclear explosions create a LOT of radioactive fallout and nobody wants a big mess. It likely carries a variety of extra weapons and gear including its own torpedoes, drones and such. Thank you for such an informative insight. I guess all this proves that Russia is not so technologically inferior compared to the West. Edited August 19, 2022 by athos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, athos said: I guess all this proves that Russia is not so technologically inferior compared to the West. not at all if Russia is so technologically advanced then why is it's GDP only slightly more than Canada's with a 145.5 million population? it's a technological and economic backwater that's how Edited August 19, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: not at all if Russia is so technologically advanced then why is it's GDP only slightly more than Canada's with a 145.5 million population? it's a technological and economic backwater that's how Because they print money on toilet paper and owe China trillions of dollars that they will never pay back. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-06/worldwide-pulp-shortage-raises-risk-of-higher-tissue-prices Edited August 19, 2022 by athos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, athos said: Because they print money on toilet paper and owe China trillions of dollars that they will never pay back. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-06/worldwide-pulp-shortage-raises-risk-of-higher-tissue-prices non sequitur your answer has nothing to do with the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 On 8/17/2022 at 9:37 AM, Yzermandius19 said: which is why they need Western help to prop up the more difficult to extract resources they have analog doesn't always get the job done and hi-tech is sometimes required You know less about Russia than I do and I don't know much. But I'm certainly not dumb enough to underestimate them. They've been underestimated several times and the results were...not optimal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Not optimal indeed. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 7 hours ago, athos said: Thank you for such an informative insight. I guess all this proves that Russia is not so technologically inferior compared to the West. Â Russian gear is certainly comparable. For every US HIMARS attack they report one has to imagine that Russian built Hurricane and Tornado (et al) systems are doing similar long range 'rear area' work. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Nationalist said: You know less about Russia than I do and I don't know much. But I'm certainly not dumb enough to underestimate them. They've been underestimated several times and the results were...not optimal. they've been overestimated several times and the results were not optimal the Soviet Union was greatly overestimated after WWII and you are overestimating a far weaker Russia than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 5:52 AM, athos said: Because they print money on toilet paper and owe China trillions of dollars that they will never pay back. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-06/worldwide-pulp-shortage-raises-risk-of-higher-tissue-prices It's interesting you should say that since a lot of analysts see China's friendship with Russia as a way to further China's aims at eventually taking over control of much of eastern Russia's resource rich territory. Certainly, a lot of Chinese bribe money is at work within Russia's notoriously corrupt economy and governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 20, 2022 Report Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/17/2022 at 10:45 PM, athos said: What is NATO waiting for? If Russia is as weak as you say, then let's wipe the floor with Russia. Please stop contradicting yourself with illogical statements and your ideological blindness. Try to be rational. Thank you I wouldn't classify Russia as being weak exactly in that they have a strong military . But Russian military doctrine always seemed to be based on the "cannon fodder" principle. Russian military victories tended to be won but with enormous losses in men and equipment. Western armies don't have that same mentality. Ukraine has a very small military compared to Russia but if the reports are true, they have inflicted an awful lot of casualties on the Russians. Take note of the huge impact of hi-tech Western designed weapons. As for the current Russian standard of living I'm of the opinion that they still lag far behind the West. Russia has a much bigger problem to deal with. Simply math: No Russians by 2200 - Declining Birth Rate | FairPlanet Population decline in Russia: ‘Putin has no choice but to win’ in Ukraine (france24.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 6:13 PM, Yzermandius19 said: they've been overestimated several times and the results were not optimal the Soviet Union was greatly overestimated after WWII and you are overestimating a far weaker Russia than that Hilarious. Good thing you're not a general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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