DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: which is why they need Western help to prop up the more difficult to extract resources they have analog doesn't always get the job done and hi-tech is sometimes required Why do the knowingly prefer analog technology? Any guesses? Edited August 17, 2022 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: How are we overestimating them? They've landed on Venus. in innumerable ways especially militarily their technology blows with only a few rare exceptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: in innumerable ways especially militarily their technology blows with only a few rare exceptions You were told it blows, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Why do the knowingly prefer analog technology? Any guesses? because they suck at anything hi-tech it's less of a preference than a necessity they simply can't compete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You were told it blows, at least. I was told it blows because it blows the Russians are economically and technologically backwards in comparison to the West that's not media propaganda those are the facts Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Bush-Cheney and I used to joke that Russian subs were like a Klingon battlecruiser while US subs were like the Enterprise. 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: because they suck at anything hi-tech it's less of a preference than a necessity they simply can't compete Incorrect. Analogue technology is immune to EMP...something they take VERY seriously. We don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Bush-Cheney and I used to joke that Russian subs were like a Klingon battlecruiser while US subs were like the Enterprise. Incorrect. Analogue technology is immune to EMP...something they take VERY seriously. We don't... Russian subs are a rare exception the same does not hold in almost all other areas they can only keep up in a few tiny areas and only with massive government subsidization specific to general fallacy Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Incorrect. Analogue technology is immune to EMP...something they take VERY seriously. We don't... one minor advantage offset by the many disadvantages if Russia could compete in hi-tech with the Americans, they would but they can't, so they try to make the best of a clearly inferior hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Russian subs are a rare exception the same does not hold in almost all other areas they can only keep up in a few tiny areas and only with massive government subsidization specific to general fallacy They should be a pushover then. When's the victory parade? Ukraine must be well on its way to winning with all that Western technology and Western advisors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: They should be a pushover then. When's the victory parade? Ukraine must be well on its way to winning with all that Western technology and Western advisors. NATO would mop the floor with Russia if Russia was all they were thought to be Ukraine would have fallen in a few weeks instead the Russians are in a quagmire against an opponent nowhere near NATO's level because their military capabilities were massively overrated to the point they believed their own hype and shot themselves in the foot with a foolish invasion Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: NATO would mop the floor with Russia if Russia was all they were thought to be Ukraine would have fallen in a few weeks instead the Russians are in a quagmire against an opponent nowhere near NATO's level We are only told what censorious Western media tells us. We are told that Russia is in a quagmire yet it appears that their stated objectives have been reached. -Land route to the Crimea. -Secure the Don Basin. -Elimination or interdiction of NATO germ labs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: We are only told what censorious Western media tells us. We are told that Russia is in a quagmire yet it appears that their stated objectives have been reached. -Land route to the Crimea. -Secure the Don Basin. -Elimination or interdiction of NATO germ labs. some of us know far more than the censorious media Russia has come up far short of it's goals it wanted all of Ukraine and more and is now pretending it's goals were more limited to save face the Western media sucks ass but Russian media is even worse why would you believe them? that's being overly reactionary and leads to poor analysis the enemy of the enemy is not your friend in this case the enemy of your enemy is far worse than your enemy Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: some of us know far more than the censorious media Russia has come up far short of it's goals it wanted all of Ukraine and more and is now pretending it's goals were more limited to save face the Western media sucks ass but Russian media is even worse why would you believe them? that's being overly reactionary and leads to poor analysis Today Ukraine. Tomorrow zee VVorld. Yeah I don't buy that for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Today Ukraine. Tomorrow zee VVorld. Yeah I don't buy that for a second. not the world they want to reclaim what they lost when the Soviet Union fell it's not like Putin hasn't openly stated as much Russia is clearly revanchist and isn't keeping it a secret they shout it from the rooftops if you don't believe that you don't know Russia or Putin Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: not the world they want to reclaim what they lost when the Soviet Union fell it's not like Putin hasn't openly stated as much Russia is clearly revanchist and isn't keeping it a secret they shout it from the rooftops if you don't believe that you don't know Russia or Putin Let me know when they capture Budapest. Stand a Russian next to a Ukrainian...I can't tell the difference. Fact is, the Rus have been either centered around Moscow/Novgorod or Kiev depending upon which princes were dominant at the time. As for my ancestry: Volga German...I know plenty about our Russian friends. Enough to know that they are to be taken seriously and not as a cartoon caricature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Let me know when they capture Budapest. Stand a Russian next to a Ukrainian...I can't tell the difference. Fact is, the Rus have been either centered around Moscow/Novgorod or Kiev depending upon which princes were dominant at the time. As for my ancestry: Volga German...I know plenty about our Russian friends. Enough to know that they are to be taken seriously and not as a cartoon caricature. they aren't a cartoon but they are revanchist they don't have the horses to fill the geographical gaps to secure their borders the way they want to but they certainly want to and the longer they wait the more difficult it becomes due to demographic issues if they are going to do it they are running out of time Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: they aren't a cartoon but they are revanchist they don't have the horses to fill the geographical gaps to secure their borders the way they want to but they certainly want to Meh...a civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Meh...a civil war. Ukraine is a sovereign nation it is not a civil war furthermore Ukraine isn't worth it if that was all they were after even if Ukraine turned over the entire nation to them tomorrow the cost would still greatly exceed what they've gained Russia has committed a strategic blunder and sped up their own demise Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: you think Russian technology is as advanced as Western technology? you think Russian workers are as skilled and well trained as Western workers? now that's dumb developing that technology will take time, skills and training in the meantime, they can't run some of their more complicated projects without western help I don't know...and neither do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I don't know...and neither do you. don't project your ignorance on me you may not be able to properly sort through media propaganda but others can, myself included though it's rather rare, it's quite possible you just aren't up to the task when it comes to Russia your humility is false because really you want to believe that if you don't know, then no one can know but you simply aren't that knowledgeable and that is the real reason you don't know Edited August 17, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: don't project your ignorance on me you may not be able to properly sort through media propaganda but others can, myself included though it's rather rare, it's quite possible you just aren't up to the task when it comes to Russia your humility is false because really you want to believe that if you don't know, then no one can know but you simply aren't that knowledgeable and that is the real reason you don't know OK so we have found 1 more profession you should not get involved in. Military Advisor. NEVER underestimate your foe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: because western technology and know-how was required to access many of those resources Russia can't do it on their own without western help yet another reason why going to war with Ukraine was a stupid move Goodness me. You must be some 200 yo fossil living in prehistoric imperial dreams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 The fact is that Anglo-Khazarian libs and oligarchs have reduced Germany and Europe to their puppet protectorate. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: explain why it is dumb or this is just cognitive dissonance Because it's not based on common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athos Posted August 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 12 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Sooooo many have underestimated The Rus over the centuries. 12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: you think Russian technology is as advanced as Western technology? you think Russian workers are as skilled and well trained as Western workers? now that's dumb developing that technology will take time, skills and training in the meantime, they can't run some of their more complicated projects without western help Who did develop the Sarmat and Poseidon that keep the west more peaceful than it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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