Canada's political system is not like the UK's and comparisons are incorrect

[RedDog]

On 7/7/2022 at 2:03 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Alber-DUH ManitoBALLS British CoLOSERbia and ... and... and...

Why do you wear a cowboy hat when you live in a condo ?  Do you take it off in the elevator ?

I met a guy once who had lived in 20 countries - all over Asia and Europe.  In the end he chose Canada because it was "right in the middle".

Our value is we give you people to fight with and provinces you can add dumb names to.  You are welcome.

Signed OntariAWESOME...

You’re a lost soul with no money. We have a 4 billion dollar budget surplus; we have 70% of the cattle industry in CanaDUH. We produce enough food to feed ourselves. We don’t need you for squat.

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, RedDog said:

1. We have a 4 billion dollar budget surplus...

2. We don’t need you for squat.

1. This week..

2. Your shit, like ours, is foreign owned.  This "we" stuff is laughable.  "You" own your condo and your hat, basically.  Identify with offshore corps at your peril.

 

[myata]

It needs to be stated and understood clearly at this time because the danger is already here. People may not care, they have a full right to not care like Romans didn't two thousand years back but that would be a choice. Canada's system is not a democracy - it's a carefully crafted imitation of it. And yes, it can be proven now.

First, there's no independence in the system, of individuals, representatives and offices. All positions are compromised by some form of dependence.

Secondly, there's no internal tradition of priorities, service and loyalty as in the UK ingrained in centuries of history and tradition.

And finally, in the presumably free elections, the choice is restricted and controlled in so many ways that only the default management corporations have a real chance of winning and then a full, unchecked and unaccountable governance (as in pp 1, 2).

This creates a worrying background for a possible abuse of power with no real checks or controls. It will take a first, for example a majority PM using formal very broad prerogatives to extend the power, then resorting to massive propaganda that we already know works, to cement it. It could play out along the lines of the truckers protest and again the parallels are deeply concerning. Can we sail on into indefinite future with an archaic political system that worked only due to enormous abundance of natural resources, geographical position and generally, nothing happening? Can we could that nothing much will keep happening here in a hungry, unstable world?

[-TSS-]

The main difference is that Canada as a vast country has a federal system of government. The UK is a unitary country. Even though there are regional parliaments in Scotland, Wales and Northern-Ireland they could be abolished with one vote in parliament in  London. The same couldn't happen that easily in Canada.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

The main difference is that Canada as a vast country has a federal system of government. The UK is a unitary country. Even though there are regional parliaments in Scotland, Wales and Northern-Ireland they could be abolished with one vote in parliament in  London. The same couldn't happen that easily in Canada.

the UK is not a unitary state

the UK went to war against the Scots, then the Irish, to impose the Act of Union & Parliamentary Supremacy

the history of the UK is a history of civil war

the UK is even more subject to devolution than Canada is

because the force which binds Canadians together

is the American republic to the south

the Reb Menace at the gates makes Canadians more British than the British themselves

[myata]

As we have seen, federal-provincial layout can do very little to prevent an abuse of power at the federal level, alleged (SNC-Lavalin affair) or very real (invocation of emergency powers). These are the first bells. What happens if there's in fact an authoritarian PM with a group of close associates with a real project of usurpation of power? The answer is: we don't know and won't know until we see it. And that is worrying in itself. Because there are no effective checks and working mechanisms of preventing such an attempt. RCMP cannot investigate the holy King; the courts will look the other way; employee-representatives will vote as they are whipped; circus period is just a worthless circus. And GG a purely ceremonial role. Did I left anything out, of course the media and we have seen very clearly how it worked with Covid and other politically correct issues.

[ExFlyer]

18 hours ago, myata said:

You think a majority means democracy? Putin has majority. Want to try again?

They have elections.

[myata]

No perks for Swedish MP. Sweden's MP salary is about $7,000 (US) while Canadian, $12,000, not including various benefits. Sweden (population 10.5 million, less than Ontario's) produces its own fighter jet and has three major car manufacturing companies (Saab, Volvo, Scania). Lower accountability, higher entitlement, lower productivity - are these only coincidences, or inevitable and logical correlation?

[ExFlyer]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

No perks for Swedish MP. Sweden's MP salary is about $7,000 (US) while Canadian, $12,000, not including various benefits. Sweden (population 10.5 million, less than Ontario's) produces its own fighter jet and has three major car manufacturing companies (Saab, Volvo, Scania). Lower accountability, higher entitlement, lower productivity - are these only coincidences, or inevitable and logical correlation?

SAAB=GM

Volvo=Geely (Chinese automaker)

Scania= Traton, part of Volkswagen

Fighter = in May 2019, Saab announced plans to locate a new U.S. manufacturing operation in Discovery Park District Aerospace on the west side of the Purdue University campus. The facility will do the final assembly of the T-X advanced jet trainer, which is a plane developed by Boeing and Saab for the United States Air Force.^[20]

 

 

[Iceni warrior]

On 7/7/2022 at 9:58 PM, Dougie93 said:

 

more British than the British themselves

Victoria Regina Imperatrix

God save the Queen

Well you say that but until you learn to love cricket it's not really true.

[myata]

14 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

SAAB=GM

Perhaps you can remind us of a single Canadian brand? Compared to the number of beaver, lumber, mining, oil, etc mansions? There you go. With double MP privileges, double obscene privileges and entitlements something to show for two hundred years of digging and selling abroad any kind of natural resource available. Right to the parable when riches aren't necessarily a blessing.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

Well you say that but until you learn to love cricket it's not really true.

I didn't say more English than the English

again, Ontario was not settled from England

United Empire Loyalists are Americans from Pennsylvania

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

Perhaps you can remind us of a single Canadian brand? Compared to the number of beaver, lumber, mining, oil, etc mansions? There you go. With double MP privileges, double obscene privileges and entitlements something to show for two hundred years of digging and selling abroad any kind of natural resource available. Right to the parable when riches aren't necessarily a blessing.

Hey, you comment on how good Sweden is, just pointing out they are not special in any way.

Comparing a country less than 1/3 population of Canada and not even as big as Alberta is pointless. Also has the 2nd highest tax rate in the world.

[myata]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Also has the 2nd highest tax rate in the world.

OK we have highest tax rate and three own brands of manufacturing. Or we have the first highest MP benefits and entitlements in the developed world excluding the US maybe, without clean drinking water in some communities. Only parallels.

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

OK we have highest tax rate and three own brands of manufacturing. Or we have the first highest MP benefits and entitlements in the developed world excluding the US maybe, without clean drinking water in some communities. Only parallels.

No Canada does not have the highest tax rate.  Who is "we"?

Prove the highest elected politicians are the highers benefits and entitlements.

Stop with the drinking water stuff. We, in Canada have more remote and isolated communities than the rest of the world and give them everything.... free.  (compare Russia and perhaps China if you can find that data)

Hey, apples to apples.

[Iceni warrior]

37 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I didn't say more English than the English

again, Ontario was not settled from England

United Empire Loyalists are Americans from Pennsylvania

So more American than British then?

Apart from the French and the indigenous obviously.

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

So more American than British then?

Apart from the French and the indigenous obviously.

America was Britain at the time

British North Americans called themselves "Americans"

until the War of 1812, when they chose the French name "Canadian"

[Dougie93]

British is an empire not a country

British was once 25% of the world's population

but only a tiny fraction of it was Englishmen

the empire wasn't even built by the English

the British Empire was a Scots German empire

Ulster Scots German to be exact

who was the enemy that forced Canadian Confederation ?

it was the Fenians of course

Upper Canada was made by the Orange Order in fact

it's just me & my German Queen

no Cricket playing English pouffs required between us

no French usurping bastards from Quebec can force our surrender neither

come and take this Red Ensign from our cold dead hands

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

in terms of the Punjabi Sikhs flooding into Upper Canada now

I have no quarrel with them

as in my experience, they are actually quite keen to join our ranks

again, British is not English

at the zenith of the Empire, half the British Army was Indian Sepoys

Lorne Scots ( Peel, Dufferin & Halton )

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[myata]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Hey, apples to apples.

This is apples to apples

Sweden: national fighter jet program: 1. National car makes: 3. MP monthly salary: approx $7,000 (US)

Canada: national fighter jet program: 0. National car makes: 0. MP monthly salary: approx $12,000 US + who knows what benefits and entitlements, with automatic annual rises.

Climate, area natural conditions similar. So is it about the entitlements or the results for the country? They aren't even doing much pushing buttons as told by the party office unlike their Swedish counterparts representing people votes. With entitlements and the results heading in the opposite directions this already smacks of the third world.

[Dougie93]

it makes no sense for Canada to design its own military hardware

Canada threw its military lot in with the Americans when they came to our aid in 1917

the F-35 is the only fighter program that males sense for Canada

its a turnkey solution offered by the Americans,  custom made for allies such as Canada

RCAF Lt. Colonel ( ret. ) Billie Flynn knows

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Allied "joint strike" bombing is actually the core of Canadian military power projection

Canada's military pilot heritage of course dates back to the Great War

William Avery Bishop VC, William George Barker VC, Arthur Roy Brown DSC

but in the Second World War, Canada turned to bombing as the arm of decision

William Lyon MacKenzie-King was trying to keep Canadian boots off the ground for as long as possible

because as soon as the body bags started coming home, Canadian unity would be in question

so flying foreign bombers to keep Quebec in Confederation, is the Canadian military strategy incarnate

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

notice how William was a popular name in Canada ?

you know which William that was they were named for ?

William III

William of Orange

the Orange Order of Upper Canada

more British than the British themselves

William Lyon MacKenzie-King was even born in Berlin Ontario

now called Kitchener

a Scots German Empire

Victoria Hanover, Mother Canada

George V, The People's King

Elizabeth Windsor, their progeny

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[herbie]

21 hours ago, myata said:

No perks for Swedish MP. Sweden's MP salary is about $7,000 (US) while Canadian, $12,000, not including various benefits. Sweden (population 10.5 million, less than Ontario's) produces its own fighter jet and has three major car manufacturing companies (Saab, Volvo, Scania). Lower accountability, higher entitlement, lower productivity - are these only coincidences, or inevitable and logical correlation?

WTF does the MPs pay have to do with anything else in that post? You want to pay MPs minimum wage so we get ones who can't read a round clock, make change or stare at their phones at work? Or such a deluded Trumpist you think by electing MPs that don't need a paycheque those billionaires will represent your working class ass?

The only reason you claim Canada is not a democracy is because you don't like the results of the election.

[Dougie93]

26 minutes ago, herbie said:

The only reason you claim Canada is not a democracy is because you don't like the results of the election.

Democracy in of itself is no panacea

the direct democracy of the Ancient Greeks, black ball vs white ball, binary choice ?

that was discredited long ago

for if it is a binary choice, winner take all ?

that is the stuff civil wars are made of

and if this comes to civil war, the Liberals & NDP will end up hung from the lamposts

the whole point of a liberal democracy, is to stave off such a binary choice

thus the Liberal & NDP Communist traitors are fools to make this a binary

the arc of history is clear : they will burn in a fire of their own making, with their families too

it will bring the Crown of Canada down in the process

thus they are traitors to their own non binary negotiated legacy

Canada becomes another Ulster at their own peril

Edited July 11, 2022 by Dougie93