Aristides Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, West said: Every major nuclear plant is built by a sizeable body of water. Why do you think that is? Yes they use it for cooling but the water cooling the reactor is in a closed circuit and the river or lake water is cools the reactor water through a heat exchanger. Like a fresh water cooling system in a boat operating in salt water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted July 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Aristides said: Yes they use it for cooling but the water cooling the reactor is in a closed circuit and the river or lake water is cools the reactor water through a heat exchanger. Like a fresh water cooling system in a boat operating in salt water. What are you even arguing here? ? Edited July 18, 2022 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 10:40 AM, Michael Hardner said: And yet there are all those clean coal billboards in virginia? I don't understand? Ever heard of scrubber technology? Electrostatic precipitators? The current tech to coal generators is actually quite efficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Ever heard of scrubber technology? Electrostatic precipitators? The current tech to coal generators is actually quite efficient. They don't scrub out CO2. Anthracite coal emits 228 lbs of CO2 per million BTU produced. Diesel and heating oil emit 161 lbs and natural gas emits 117 lbs. Edited July 18, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, West said: What are you even arguing here? ? The the water from outside does not circulate through the reactor. The reactor cooling water is a closed circuit like the cooling system in your car. Heat exchangers transfer the heat to the water from the lake or river, like your radiator transfers the heat from your engine into the ambient air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, Aristides said: They don't scrub out CO2. Anthracite coal emits 228 lbs of CO2 per million BTU produced. Diesel and heating oil emit 161 lbs and natural gas emits 117 lbs. And what would you replace that with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: And what would you replace that with? Replace what? I'm saying you would be far better off using oil or natural gas. Coal is the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 Just now, Aristides said: Replace what? I'm saying you would be far better off using oil or natural gas. Coal is the worst. Yet the "Greenies" are trashing ALL fossil fuels. NatGas generators are great. Yet they are more expensive I think. So...let's say you're in Germany...or any of the Central Euro countries. A lot of your electricity is generated by coal. A lot is NatGas and some is nuclear. How do you power your nation under these Green demands? Can it even be done? If you do...what are the repercussions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 8:47 PM, Michael Hardner said: If you don't care about the environment I don't know what to think, really. It's kind of hard to believe people would seriously hold such a stance. I don't think anybody is against caring for the environment. But when the caring get so over the top that it become a panicked demand to stop producing energy via the methods our entire world has been using and is setup to use, IMMEDIATELY and BEFORE a viable replacement can be found and put in place... That's what rational people call FUCKING STUPID! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 5:47 PM, Michael Hardner said: If you don't care about the environment I don't know what to think, really. It's kind of hard to believe people would seriously hold such a stance. It's hard to believe that anyone is as sucked in as you are by hypocrites like Sebastian Vettel, David Suzuki, Prince Harry, Al Gore, Leo DiCaprio, John Kerry, Justin Trudeau, etc. FYI people who own several mega-homes, take personal trips in private jets and then cruise in circles on mega-yachts shouldn't be pontificating to anyone else about conserving energy. FYI leaving gas and oil underground in North America just so that we can import it from Saudi Arabia isn't saving anything. FYI I'm already unimpressed with your next post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Aristides said: They don't scrub out CO2. Anthracite coal emits 228 lbs of CO2 per million BTU produced. Diesel and heating oil emit 161 lbs and natural gas emits 117 lbs. A mature tree eats up 50lbs of CO2 per year. So 4.5 trees soak up all of the CO2 emitted to produce 1 million BTUs. There are enough trees in my yard to soak up hundreds of lbs of CO2. What's the environmental cost of creating solar panels to trickle in a bit of weather-dependent solar energy and then recycling them? What's the environmental cost of creating wind turbines to create some weather-dependent solar energy and then recycling them? Why is nuclear energy so unreliable? France has half of their nuclear reactors offline. They're importing energy from companies that burn fossil fuels... Do you want to basically shut down our country while China and India put out more pollution in a day than we do in a year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Aristides said: Burning wood to generate electricity? Who does that? Who is going to clear cut forests to burn wood to generate power? to hear their homes and to cook people still do it especially in poor countries that's what they did before coal could be used to generate power the use of coal improved the environment considerably yet people who don't know any history trash talk it as if all it does is pollute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: Yet the "Greenies" are trashing ALL fossil fuels. NatGas generators are great. Yet they are more expensive I think. So...let's say you're in Germany...or any of the Central Euro countries. A lot of your electricity is generated by coal. A lot is NatGas and some is nuclear. How do you power your nation under these Green demands? Can it even be done? If you do...what are the repercussions? The SCOTUS decision was for the the benefit of the coal industry. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Aristides said: The SCOTUS decision was for the the benefit of the coal industry. Period. I have to wonder if you really believe that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Aristides said: The SCOTUS decision was for the the benefit of the coal industry. Period. it was for the benefit of any industry against federal bureaucratic overreach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: it was for the benefit of any industry against federal bureaucratic overreach The suit was brought by the coal industry, they aren’t looking after you or the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Aristides said: The suit was brought by the coal industry, they aren’t looking after you or the environment. f*ck the EPA they overstepped the SCOTUS set them straight the precedent doesn't just protect the coal industry it protects anyone the EPA tries to f*ck with outside it's mandate you just want the coal industry punished regardless of the means so you don't want anyone getting in the way of their tyranny as long as it's directed at those you don't like but unlike you, SCOTUS sees that folly in that thinking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 Right, next they will say the FDA has no authority to regulate the food and drugs you consume. What's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Aristides said: Right, next they will say the FDA has no authority to regulate the food and drugs you consume. What's the difference? the FDA has the authority to do that the EPA overstepped it's authority that's the difference that's why SCOTUS stepped in when the executive branch goes too far, it's the judicial branch's job to tell them to f*ck off they don't just get to do whatever they want Edited July 19, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 What is the difference between the EPA’s authority and the FDA’s? Why is one overreach and the other not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted July 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 21 hours ago, Aristides said: The the water from outside does not circulate through the reactor. The reactor cooling water is a closed circuit like the cooling system in your car. Heat exchangers transfer the heat to the water from the lake or river, like your radiator transfers the heat from your engine into the ambient air. It's pretty easy to find the environmental impacts of nuclear power plants and its generally not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted July 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 19 hours ago, WestCanMan said: A mature tree eats up 50lbs of CO2 per year. So 4.5 trees soak up all of the CO2 emitted to produce 1 million BTUs. There are enough trees in my yard to soak up hundreds of lbs of CO2. What's the environmental cost of creating solar panels to trickle in a bit of weather-dependent solar energy and then recycling them? What's the environmental cost of creating wind turbines to create some weather-dependent solar energy and then recycling them? Why is nuclear energy so unreliable? France has half of their nuclear reactors offline. They're importing energy from companies that burn fossil fuels... Do you want to basically shut down our country while China and India put out more pollution in a day than we do in a year? I dont imagine trapping the sun's rays is going to cool the planet. That's just me tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted July 19, 2022 Report Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, West said: It's pretty easy to find the environmental impacts of nuclear power plants and its generally not good Nothing compared to coal. You guys point to improvements in coal plants over the years while ignoring improvements in nuclear technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbander1A Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 4:53 PM, West said: The religion of woke sets up government as sort of a hell for those who refuse to vote left. Middle America doesn't vote left therefore their ways of making money are evil and they are heathen. Meanwhile urban centers with their smog problem is not an environmental issue because they pull left. Those are the rules Love it when you have a group word that every idiot can define for themselves . woke is used by the brain dead to explain everything they think, that isn't worth a explanation. The world is being taken over by microbes who have opinions but no facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbander1A Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, jbander1A said: Love it when you have a group word that every idiot can define for themselves . woke is used by the brain dead to explain everything they think, that isn't worth a explanation. The world is being taken over by microbes who have opinions but no facts. Woke is the call of the dancing microbes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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