First a trickle....Now a flood

[User]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:36 AM, Goddess said:

They know they were lied to and admitting it means admitting they are m0r0ns.  They're not going to do that.

Lied to?

Of course we were lied to. One of the greatest lies we were told was to not mask when they had no clue what COVID was doing and then the next lie was that we all should mask, any mask, when they knew it wasn't effective. 

I have no issues admitting to anything here. You have issues with conspiratorial nonsense and the fact that I don't believe or buy into whatever conspiratorial nonsense you are pushing only means I am a rational human who bases my positions on logic, fact, and good reason. 

 

[User]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:36 AM, Goddess said:

They're both here still arguing that covid was the deadliest thing that has ever hit humanity and it justified all of the responses.

Another lie. I have made no such claim about COVID being the deadliest thing that his ever hit humanity nor that all of the responses are justified under any argument. 

 

[User]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:36 AM, Goddess said:

These 2 are the outliers, the fanatics, the conspiracy theorists.  They are dangerous, because there is nothing they would change about the fanatical responses to covid.  They would love to see it all happen again.  They loved that they were called heroes for sitting in their homes in terror, while peons (essential workers) served them, delivered their food and Amazon packages, picked up their garbage and trucked food to the markets.  Then they turned on all those peons, demanding they get fired.

User and eyeball are cowards.  

Cowering under their beds in terror, while others keep the world running, the very ones they try to shame now.  And when it was revealed the whole thing was over-blown chicken little nonsense, they have to double down on it being the deadliest thing to ever hit humanity.

You are insane. Pathologically crazy. 

I have said none of this and believe none of this. You are just an outright pathological liar. 

You can't defend your insanity on here so this is all you are left with, is making up crap I have never said nor believe. 

 

[User]

On 10/3/2024 at 8:54 AM, Goddess said:

“We need to take your rights for the collective good” is the mantra of the dictator.

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They fell for it.  And now they're mad that you didn't.

That is a lovely strawman argument you have built here, which has nothing to do with anything I have argued. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

You are the one who claimed there were zero flu deaths. Are you arguing against yourself now?

I was using poetic license. There weren't "zero flu deaths". They were just down by 96.5% from every other year for the past 100 years. That's basically zero, not literally zero.

Does it pass the sniff test for you when flu deaths suddenly dropped by 96.5% for the first time in a century? That's like if seagulls all suddenly quite eating french fries. That wouldn't be random, there'd be something seriously wrong with all the fries. 

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So... all the Doctors, the different agencies, hospitals, CDC, everyone, all the thousands of folks all across America, (the world really) are all in on this big conspiracy to lie about Flu deaths?

It's much simpler than that.... you just put the offer of cash out there and everyone does what humans do: accept the cash.

Medicare: "You just put a guy on a ventilator, was that for the flu ($0), or covid ($39,000.00)?"

Hospital: "It was definitely for covid. Flu cases are down by 96.5% here this year."

Medicare: "What about all those people who are coughing? Is it the flu ($0), or covid ($13,000.00)?"

Hospital: "Flu? We don't see no stinking flu."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

I told my sister there's a couple guys on here - eyeball and User - who think her permanent disability is totally worth it for them and they want more people to sacrifice for their "safety".

She said "Fuque them."

Researchers collected data on state vaccination rates and COVID-19 deaths. They used the data to create a statistical model.

Based on the model, COVID-19 vaccines saved nearly 140,000 lives in the U.S. through May 2021. About 570,000 people died of COVID-19 in the U.S. through that time. The model estimated that there would have been about 709,000 deaths without the vaccines.

https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2021/10/covid-19-vaccines-prevented-nearly-140000-us-deaths

So you would rather have seen 100's thousands of more people die world wide to prevent your stupid sister from having a sore arm?  According to the CDC you wouldn't have saved a single life because they're not aware of a single death that was conclusively caused by vaccine.

Not one.

I bet you're one of these people who also believe authorities are withholding the cure for cancer from the general population.

 

[User]

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I was using poetic license. There weren't "zero flu deaths". They were just down by 96.5% from every other year for the past 100 years. That's basically zero, not literally zero.

Yeah... but you said there was "basically zero" deaths and then you go on to say there were still the same number of deaths, just that everyone lied and said it was COVID. It helps, if you try to be more truthful in your language and stop playing these rhetorical games and just come out and say what you believe. 

They were still testing for Influenza during the pandemic... are you saying everyone lied and falsified those tests?

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Does it pass the sniff test for you when flu deaths suddenly dropped by 96.5% for the first time in a century?

You provided a link from the CDC that explained this. YOU provided that link to back up your claims. Now... you don't believe the link you sourced that explained this?

Yes, it passes the smell test that flu, a less deadly, less infectious disease, would be spread much less when society is shut down, things are locked down, social distancing, mask-wearing... etc... 

When was the last time that happened in a century?

49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's much simpler than that.... you just put the offer of cash out there and everyone does what humans do: accept the cash.

Your link is dead... and so you do believe that everyone was in on this lie. What evidence do you have to support that? That this was all some grand lie that so many were involved in?

 

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, User said:

Your link is dead... and so you do believe that everyone was in on this lie. What evidence do you have to support that? That this was all some grand lie that so many were involved in?

Apparently it was all orchestrated by just a small handful of psy-op dudes under Mr Fauci's direction..

Considering how many millions of bureaucrats around the world still can't make buses run on time the execution of this scam has to stand as the most spectacularly successful government operation in the history of governments.

We should be begging them to run the world.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

Yeah... but you said there was "basically zero" deaths and then you go on to say there were still the same number of deaths, just that everyone lied and said it was COVID. It helps, if you try to be more truthful in your language and stop playing these rhetorical games and just come out and say what you believe. 

We were TOLD that flu deaths were down by 96.5%, but it's ridiculous to believe that. It's just one of dozens of covid lies we were told.

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They were still testing for Influenza during the pandemic... are you saying everyone lied and falsified those tests?

Yes. Absolutely. They lied and falsified those tests, if they even tested them. The easiest thing in the world to do is return a 'negative test'.

Even when you actually do tests, they are a complete joke.

Do you not know anyone who got multiple covid tests done in the same day just so that they could fly? 

"I 'had covid' at 10am and noon, but the test from 11 am came back negative, so that's the one I used."

I had friends get a call from the public health nurse about "what to do to fight covid" while they were on the beach in Mexico 🤣

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You provided a link from the CDC that explained this. YOU provided that link to back up your claims. Now... you don't believe the link you sourced that explained this?

Yes, it passes the smell test that flu, a less deadly, less infectious disease, would be spread much less when society is shut down, things are locked down, social distancing, mask-wearing... etc... 

When was the last time that happened in a century?

Your link is dead... and so you do believe that everyone was in on this lie. What evidence do you have to support that? That this was all some grand lie that so many were involved in?

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/ It works fine, I just used it again. 

• Minnesota State Sen. Scott Jensen, a family physician: "I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward. Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital, you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do."

• In an interview with FactCheck.org, however, Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.

Jensen said "he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons", but let's be real. The easiest thing in the world to do is return a 'negative test', and 30 negative tests is worth $1M.

Now, combine that info with the fact that elective surgeries were cancelled during covid, so hospitals' main revenue stream was shut down while the opportunity to grab all of this covid cash was presented to them. All they had to do was put a checkmark in the correct box and they were able to remain in business, and 96.5% of boxes had the right mark on them. 

It seems to me like you're making a lot of assumptions and declarative statements without a lot of background knowledge. 

Edited October 4, 2024 by WestCanMan

[User]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We were TOLD that flu deaths were down by 96.5%, but it's ridiculous to believe that. It's just one of dozens of covid lies we were told.

But you think it is not ridiculous to believe that all the tests across the globe for influenza were falsified... that all those people involved are in on the lie... 

So, beyond the absurdity of that... you just think this was a money grab, but that a lot more people still died from COVID right? 

You skipped over that when I asked you before. When you said no one died from COVID. So, all those deaths were a lie too?

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It seems to me like you're making a lot of assumptions and declarative statements without a lot of background knowledge. 

You are the one making these absurd claims... did you miss this:

What evidence do you have to support that?

Where is your evidence all these tests were falsified and that everyone lied?

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, User said:

But you think it is not ridiculous to believe that all the tests across the globe for influenza were falsified... that all those people involved are in on the lie... So, beyond the absurdity of that... you just think this was a money grab, but that a lot more people still died from COVID right? 

As much as money means to Americans, a USD means even more in more impoverished countries. 

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You skipped over that when I asked you before. When you said no one died from COVID. So, all those deaths were a lie too?

Of course people also died from covid, and I never said "No one died from covid". I said that the "died from" stat was BS, because almost everyone who died "of covid" mostly died of other things, and they just died with covid.

The English language is very nuanced, and your grasp of it is ham-handed at best. 

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You are the one making these absurd claims... did you miss this:

What evidence do you have to support that?

Yeah I did miss that... It's just a blank space from what I can see.

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Where is your evidence all these tests were falsified and that everyone lied?

1) The flu didn't take a year off, disappear, or drop by 96.5%, period.

2) It was extremely lucrative for hospitals to 'make the flu disappear, and pump up covid numbers', at a time when their main revenue stream was ended. 

[User]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course people also died from covid, and I never said "No one died from covid". I said that the "died from" stat was BS, because almost everyone who died "of covid" mostly died of other things, and they just died with covid.

The English language is very nuanced, and your grasp of it is ham-handed at best. 

Not me. You just said of course people died "from covid" and in the next sentence say the stat is BS and they just "died with" COVID. 

My understanding of the language is just fine. It is your duplicity that is the issue here. 

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) The flu didn't take a year off, disappear, or drop by 96.5%, period.

2) It was extremely lucrative for hospitals to 'make the flu disappear, and pump up covid numbers', at a time when their main revenue stream was ended. 

That is not evidence, it is a baseless assertion and a possible motive. 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

Not me. You just said of course people died "from covid" and in the next sentence say the stat is BS and they just "died with" COVID. 

My understanding of the language is just fine. It is your duplicity that is the issue here. 

That is not evidence, it is a baseless assertion and a possible motive. 

 

Stop trying to not understand, User.

You were lied to constantly regarding the need for covid jabs, jab efficacy, jab safety, jab-induced injuries, jab-induced deaths, covid deaths, the origin of covid, its transmissibility, its lethality, testing results, the Freedom Convoy, the unjabbed, etc.

I'd love for you to try to tell me one thing you saw on CTV that was true.

[User]

32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop trying to not understand, User.

So... you have no evidence. 

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

'd love for you to try to tell me one thing you saw on CTV that was true.

I don't watch CTV... 

[WestCanMan]

55 minutes ago, User said:

So... you have no evidence. 

I don't watch CTV... 

All I've ever done here is post evidence. 

All that you've ever done here is misinterpret everything, sea-lion, and dodge. 

By now you know that it was lucrative for hospitals to check 'covid' instead of flu, the jabs never brought deaths down, the Canadian MSM ignored covid deaths in 2022, they ignored covid deaths among the vaxed, they ignored vax-iduced deaths, they ignored vax-injuries, they pretended that young healthy people had good reasons to vax when there were none. 

Just let that all sink in while you give your gums a rest.

[User]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

All I've ever done here is post evidence. 

Yet another exaggeration. To the particular claim here... no, you have not. 

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

All that you've ever done here is misinterpret everything, sea-lion, and dodge. 

Another exaggeration. 

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

By now you know that it was lucrative for hospitals to check 'covid' instead of flu, the jabs never brought deaths down, the Canadian MSM ignored covid deaths in 2022, they ignored covid deaths among the vaxed, they ignored vax-iduced deaths, they ignored vax-injuries, they pretended that young healthy people had good reasons to vax when there were none. 

No, I do not know any of this. 

 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Yet another exaggeration. To the particular claim here... no, you have not. 

Another exaggeration. 

No, I do not know any of this. 

 

I posted proof that hospitals were getting paid for covid positives, the flu took a year off, that there are 700k flu deaths a year globally, that flu deaths in the US went down from 22K/year to less than 750 (-96.5%). I also cited vax stats that I can prove if you bothered to challenge me on them. 

What did you prove? 

You were here to stonewall and you got steamrolled.  There's literally nothing left of the vax safety, vax efficacy, and preventing the spread theories. All that's left is vax-injuries, media lies, and vax-fascism.  

[User]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I posted proof that hospitals were getting paid for covid positives, the flu took a year off, that there are 700k flu deaths a year globally, that flu deaths in the US went down from 22K/year to less than 750 (-96.5%). I also cited vax stats that I can prove if you bothered to challenge me on them. 

What did you prove? 

You were here to stonewall and you got steamrolled.  There's literally nothing left of the vax safety, vax efficacy, and preventing the spread theories. All that's left is vax-injuries, media lies, and vax-fascism.  

So... you posted for proof for everything except the actual conclusion you are making from all that... 

You have not steamrolled anyone on anything. 

 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, User said:

So... you posted for proof for everything except the actual conclusion you are making from all that... 

You have not steamrolled anyone on anything. 

I think that if you're being honest, you have no choice but admit that CTV, CBC, Global, CNN, NBC et al were lying, and Fauci is a little rat who should be in jail.

You don't even have a shred of evidence that it was necessary to force healthy young people to take the jab. You can't say that they needed it to protect themselves, you can't say that they needed to take it to stop the spread of covid. There wasn't a single reason, was there...

[Goddess]

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Does it pass the sniff test for you when flu deaths suddenly dropped by 96.5% for the first time in a century?

Of course it does.

He questions nothing and is angry with anyone else who asks questions.

In the US, docs/hospitals got over $40,000 for a covid death and nothing for a flu death.  That's a huge incentive to test people with a PCR test run at 45 cycles and diagnose them with covid, rather than they were in a car accident or have brain cancer.

On 10/4/2024 at 9:28 AM, User said:

Of course we were lied to. One of the greatest lies we were told was to not mask when they had no clue what COVID was doing and then the next lie was that we all should mask, any mask, when they knew it wasn't effective. 

Exactly.

Your view is that the covid response DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

[Goddess]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

to prevent your stupid sister from having a sore arm? 

Fuque you.  All the way to Hell.

[Goddess]

20 hours ago, User said:

That is not evidence, it is a baseless assertion and a possible motive. 

 

Make up your mind.  Is a baseless assertion or a possible motive?  If it's a possible motive, then it's not a baseless assertion, is it?

It's like a man who takes a $1million life insurance policy out on his wife and then murders her.

It's not a baseless assertion to conclude his motive was money.  In fact, that's an important part of prosecution.

Are you like eyeball who believes that it is immoral if we infer the motivation is the insurance money, and that the murderer has to confess he did it for money or it's wrong and immoral to infer why?

That seems to be what you're saying.  And eyeball has stated exactly that many times here - unless the person confesses, it is wrong and immoral to infer motive as to why they did what they did.  It's why he rejects any conclusions that anyone had less than stellar motives during covid - none have them have confessed to having less than stellar motive, so we MUST conclude they are all innocent.

eyeball has stated many times that unless they CONFESS, they are innocent saints.

Is that what you believe too?

Because you seem irrationally enraged that anyone would infer any part of the covid response was for money, even after knowing it was the biggest wealth transfer in human history.

[Goddess]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What did you prove? 

These people have a profound and misplaced trust gov't and gov't agencies ALWAYS put citizen needs first and NEVER act for money, power or influence or personal gain.

Even if they say, Oh well, yes, at times in the past, gov't has acted badly......their position is that during covid, NO ONE was after power or money or influence.  The entire response was motivated by love for humanity.

Pharma loves you.

Your gov't only wants the best for you.

They have to believe that because the alternative is......disturbing and would require them to do something.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Fuque you.  All the way to Hell.

Why, what did I do to deserve that, compared to you saying I'm happy knowing people are being deliberately injured and murdered on my behalf that is?

 

[User]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Exactly.

Your view is that the covid response DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

All you can do on here now is lie. Nowhere did I say the response did not go far enough.