Vaxx nazis strike again: MP not allowed at parliament over her vaxx status

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The only reason experts are able to calculate how many died from Covid is because those deaths were above the norm.  Six millions more died than would have without Covid.  What's so hard for you to understand about that?

Really? OK then...show me the spike in deaths globally from The Killer Virus.

[Queenmandy85]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Killer Viruses...she says while lecturing me about how to treat kids.

Have you any idea how many kids actually dies from you "killer virus"?

Get a friggin' grip on yourself.

The kids carry the virus back to their family. What  do you think the psychological effect on a 10 year old child when the learn the virus they brought home killed another family member?

[Queenmandy85]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Really? OK then...show me the spike in deaths globally from The Killer Virus.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That would only be true once everyone is vaccianted. 

 

And that is why Canada has had a better outcome than countries like the US and Sweden. The vaccines would have maintained their effectiveness if everyone was vaccinated. That is how we defeated smallpox and how we are going to eliminate polio.

The arguements that covid doesn't kill very many people and most people just had flu-like symptoms can also be said about polio. Yet nobody is saying we should not vaccinate against polio.

That’s insane because you’ll never get everyone vaccinated even if you threaten to murder them and Covid vaccines have never been mandated for young children. Again, if you think that YOUR safety is at risk, get jabbed, wear masks, avoid places where you can’t social distance, etc.

The consequences from polio and smallpox are vastly different.  Most people who got either of those diseases had bad symptoms with permanent impacts.  Most people who get Omicron are over it in a week.

The vaccines prevented polio and smallpox for life for virtually all vaccinated people.

Apples and oranges…

Edited June 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The kids carry the virus back to their family. What  do you think the psychological effect on a 10 year old child when the learn the virus they brought home killed another family member?

The same as its always been. Thus no increase in the reasons for kids to be freaked out. Why would you want to create more reasons to disturb kids?

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And the increase in global deaths is...where exactly?

Oh that's right...ITS NOWHERE!

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

The same as its always been. Thus no increase in the reasons for kids to be freaked out. Why would you want to create more reasons to disturb kids?

Yup.  The risk of Omicron to vaccinated parents and grandparents is mild.  

[Queenmandy85]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And the increase in global deaths is...where exactly?

Oh that's right...ITS NOWHERE!

6 million people died of covid. The global deaths thing is a straw man or what ever you call it. It is actually over 6.3 million people died from Covid 19. It has visted the worst catastrophe on the United States in history. That is the important fact. Over one million Americans died from covid.

[Queenmandy85]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yup.  The risk of Omicron to vaccinated parents and grandparents is mild.  

Where do get that information? Are saying that people did not die from omicron variant?

[Queenmandy85]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Most people who got either of those diseases had bad symptoms with permanent impacts.  Most people who get Omicron are over it in a week.

Most people who had polio were over it in a week as well. They had flu like symptoms. Covid can have permanent impacts as well such as organ damage even after mild symptoms.

[Scott Mayers]

"Liberty" means to "have the freedom to do anything you personally want except where it prevents the freedom of others to the same right."

To the anti-vaxxers, they interpret their 'freedom' as being non-imposing on other's liberty and that their own choice NOT to vaccinate is itself being violated. To the vaccine supporters, this is interpreted as violating the health and life of those who take it as well as to those untrusting of the actual scientific effectiveness AND, moreso, to those 'dependents' that the antivaxxer has power over. 

Which is correct? Can both be true and false paradoxically? 

My issue is that to those most predominantly against vaccinations is that most have either some direct religious belief, some political bias against government oversight and regulations, or economic alternatives they want the right to maintain. The 'alternatives' would be the snake oil product sellers and other scams that try to profit upon the intentional anti-scientific views. All are commonly related to religion in general. 

What has to be significantly recognized are to those like one's children of these antivaxxers who ironically tend to also support anti-abortion. They feel compelled to be against what others do of their 'children' (as in abortion) unborn, yet think that others should ignore how the religious person abuses their own children for denying them vaccines. 

To the 'sincere' religious (not those seeking the ease to capitalize on other's for profit or control), you should interpret 'God' as granting society as a whole as well as individuals to their 'free' actions, to which DEMOCRATIC systems, being one, requires accepting some forced laws that at least are scientific and universally applicable. To permit exceptional 'right' to the religious goes against the same freedom of all others because the viruses involved EVOLVE best when they are not annihilated completely and exhaustively. 

The alternative is to LET people die. For the same religious people, this is fine given then see God as able to 'repair' any injustices after death. But then anything should go, including the most ruthlessly selfish individual's behaviors. Now times that by the all the individuals who would also share this view and it shouldn't matter what happens in life, even nuclear annihilation., and......especially things like abortion! 

It is an unfortunate paradox. The ONLY resolution is to conform to the majority view on this issue. It does not bias favor only to those not in power to suggest vaccination. Thus, if you are worried about whether the vaccine is poisonous, take a 'liberal' friend with you to the clinic so that (s)he can take the shot first from the supply you will be using afterwards. Those in power who worried about being poisoned would demand a pre-taster in the same way before they eat their food.

[West]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Your claim of coercion is incorrect.

The government, federal, had a travel restriction but, that restriction made no difference as the entire world required  vaccinations so, even if the feds did not impose any travel restrictions, you had no place to go.

The government, provincial, had public health mandates and that is their responsibility. It was the ones that locked things down.

As for vaccination requirements to work, that was the realm of employers and their responsibility for the health of their employees. Many of those restrictions and requirements were supported and in some cases demanded, by unions.

There was no coercion as the restrictions were worldwide.

There was no manipulations as the restrictions were in many cases demanded bu employees and employers reacted.

There was no discrimination, you either chose to do it or not.

1. Dude you can't even fly or ride a bus to another city in Canada without the Trudeau juice. 

2. Some were employers but it was also forced by governments. Theres still the ridiculous vaxx mandate for federal employees in effect and they still have to mask like it's the year 2020. Even while the rest of the world has moved on, Canada remains behind. 

Even still, the government made it near impossible to sue your employer for wrongful dismissal over the vaccine. They stood by while their citizens had their constitutional rights trampled. Some even applauded. It was quite sick to watch  

 

And YES when the government ties your ability to, say, eat in a restaurant to an injection (one which evidently doesn't prevent you from catching the bug), then it fits the definition of coercion. 

 

Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. 

How is what happened not coercion? You have to do some mental gymnastics to even suggest such a thing 

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

6 million people died of covid. The global deaths thing is a straw man or what ever you call it. It is actually over 6.3 million people died from Covid 19. It has visted the worst catastrophe on the United States in history. That is the important fact. Over one million Americans died from covid.

LOL...yer sellin' vapour Queenie.

Approximately 6 mil died...WITH The Rona. Many had other conditions and some got run over by trucks...with The Rona.

This was never worthy of being labeled a "pandemic". Its a "tool". A very mean spirited "tool". And the "tool" worked perfectly on you and millions upon millions of others. They scared the livin' daylights out of you, and you grandchildren if you have any. And for what?

Power.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

No...I think you're a dope. satisfied?

Aww, no real answer. 

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Aww, no real answer. 

*giggle*

Self destructive to the end...

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, West said:

1. Dude you can't even fly or ride a bus to another city in Canada without the Trudeau juice. 

2. Some were employers but it was also forced by governments. Theres still the ridiculous vaxx mandate for federal employees in effect and they still have to mask like it's the year 2020. Even while the rest of the world has moved on, Canada remains behind. 

Even still, the government made it near impossible to sue your employer for wrongful dismissal over the vaccine. They stood by while their citizens had their constitutional rights trampled. Some even applauded. It was quite sick to watch  

 

And YES when the government ties your ability to, say, eat in a restaurant to an injection (one which evidently doesn't prevent you from catching the bug), then it fits the definition of coercion. 

 

Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. 

How is what happened not coercion? You have to do some mental gymnastics to even suggest such a thing 

Same old same old whining.

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, West said:

1. Dude you can't even fly or ride a bus to another city in Canada without the Trudeau juice. 

2. Some were employers but it was also forced by governments. Theres still the ridiculous vaxx mandate for federal employees in effect and they still have to mask like it's the year 2020. Even while the rest of the world has moved on, Canada remains behind. 

Even still, the government made it near impossible to sue your employer for wrongful dismissal over the vaccine. They stood by while their citizens had their constitutional rights trampled. Some even applauded. It was quite sick to watch  

 

And YES when the government ties your ability to, say, eat in a restaurant to an injection (one which evidently doesn't prevent you from catching the bug), then it fits the definition of coercion. 

 

Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. 

How is what happened not coercion? You have to do some mental gymnastics to even suggest such a thing 

Just like smoking bans.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Where do get that information? Are saying that people did not die from omicron variant?

Is the risk of a vaccinated elderly person dying from Omicron greater than dying from flu?   If so, please provide evidence to prove because the vaccinated elderly people I know who had Omicron were sick for less than a week.  I’m in my 50’s and was sick for 3 days.   I was tired and congested but felt pretty good.  I exercised during it.   

Edited June 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Most people who had polio were over it in a week as well. They had flu like symptoms. Covid can have permanent impacts as well such as organ damage even after mild symptoms.

Sort of, in highly exceptional cases.  Is Omicron doing that?   Doubtful.  

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

LOL...yer sellin' vapour Queenie.

Approximately 6 mil died...WITH The Rona. Many had other conditions and some got run over by trucks...with The Rona.

This was never worthy of being labeled a "pandemic". Its a "tool". A very mean spirited "tool". And the "tool" worked perfectly on you and millions upon millions of others. They scared the livin' daylights out of you, and you grandchildren if you have any. And for what?

Power.

Yup, the fear-mongering and the hypochondriacs felt affirmed.  The government counts on their support for despotic controls that are more about social engineering than public safety.

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

People break laws all the time unfortunately. As usual anyone from the radical left that does it will be considered a  hero.

So will any run of the mill conservative when their crimes are considered a defiance of tyranny. 

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I wonder if I should bother with the radical left/left distinction any more. Perhaps now they are one and the same.

Something I always advise people to do when the topic confuses them is to go back to the terms left and right according to the original meaning assigned to them during the French Revolution where the terms describe the dynamics of power in a political system in contrast if not opposition to the ideological values now assigned to the terms.

According to the original definitions the vast majority of the population composed of ordinary commoners made up of conservatives and progressives sat to the left of the monarch and a much smaller number composed of the usual suspects, the infamous elites, sat to the right.

So given this, I'm often left wondering WTF is wrong with you people? Whose side are you on anyway?    

 

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

Most of those on the left charged with anything are unlikely to be confined with leg irons either.

Yes it's pretty sad how white collar criminals like Conrad Black get dragged through the streets. Thankfully people like him have folks like you to come to his defence and speak out in defiance of the injustice and ingratitude being shown to your betters.

Edited June 7, 2022 by eyeball

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You still don’t make the distinction between anti-vax and anti-mandate.

There is no distinction, they're both pro-COVID.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There is no distinction, they're both pro-COVID.

You put fear of one treatable disease with plenty of protective counter-measures above all other considerations.  You’re willing to let rights be violated, including the right to make medical decisions, travel, and work.  Pitiful but you have like-minded people to turn to and affirm one another.  Fearful people who don’t value freedom and can’t think for themselves. Plenty of enablers out there for totalitarianism. Easy to see how we got here and why we’ll likely never be as free as we were.  

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes essentially. Had The Rona not happened, 6,000,000 humans on Earth would still have died. What part of that is so hard to understand?

That what you seem to be saying is that the Rona somehow saved 6 million people from dying of something else. 

Maybe it had something to do with so many people hiding in their basement - like the old safety meeting joke at work...if nobody moves nobody gets hurt.