Another Mass Shooting

[traveler52]

1 hour ago, West said:

Evidently, depending on the chapter, that's what the NRA offers. Yet they get crapped on by leftists for political gain. 

I'm asking more about the registry. When we implemented that here, criminals predictably didn't register their guns. Expensive endeavor that would have no impact at this point

 

 

I will say this but one time and one time ONLY.

I AM NOT.....REPEAT NO A "LEFTIST/I  AM NOT A MARXIST/I AM NOT A LENINIST/I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!

There is no need to insulting.  I am pround and Progressive American.  I am for very Gun Control Laws.  You have already read my post on the Training I received in the United States Marine Corps prior to ordered to Viet Nam.

FYI, the NRA did not allow Firearms on the floor of their Convention.....wonder why.

Univeral Background Checks would have kept the shooter from having in his possession two semi-automatic weapons, period end of sentence.  

I will say, no need to insulting.  If you want respect, you give respect.  If you deal crap you get crap...just saying.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, West said:

So there are federally mandated background checks. Thanks for acknowledging that.

Sort of but not very effective.

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If a firearm dealer has not been notified within three business days that a sale would violate federal or state laws, they may, by default, proceed with the sale.

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Federal law does not prohibit abusive dating partners from purchasing firearms. This gap in the law has been implicated in the death of numerous women by current or former partners.

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Federal law only prohibits people convicted of felony stalking offenses from accessing guns. Anyone convicted of misdemeanor stalking offenses (e.g., stalking outside the context of a domestic relationship) is not prohibited from buying firearms. 

Any strengthening of federal checks has been vehemently opposed by Republicans.

[traveler52]

13 minutes ago, Luz P. said:

The psyche of the American people is very different to the rest of the world. It seems they’re prone to see bogeymen everywhere and always feel vulnerable. That explains their massive defense budget, never mind they’re the ones constantly engaging in wars of aggression.

If government needs an obscene defense budget, why wouldn’t Joe Blow need a gun?

 

 

What you know about the People of My Country would not even fill a thimble.

[Aristides]

Have to carry a firearm for personal protection.

Turn businesses, schools and public buildings into fortresses.

Body armour and bullet proof backpacks for kids.

Arming teachers. 

Those are the opposite of freedom.

It is amazing how many real freedoms the gun gang are willing to give up, just to prevent proper background checks so people who shouldn't have guns, can't buy them legally.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

[taxme]

On 5/26/2022 at 2:18 PM, Boges said:

The guns come from Indiana. 

Guns can come from blue states also, silly. Geez man, think before you speak. It does work, really. ?

[taxme]

On 5/26/2022 at 2:30 PM, Infidel Dog said:

Which guns? Chicago guns, you mean?

I think you may be watching too much CNN.

https://www.guns.com/news/2017/01/04/blitzer-claims-many-of-chicagos-guns-come-from-indiana

So maybe you won't be able to save America or not even just Chicago by grabbing all the Indiana guns.

What exactly are you guys proposing anyway?

It is not very hard to tell that this Bogus guy is a lefty liberal so called conservative CNN watcher. He speaks before he thinks. ?

Edited May 29, 2022 by taxme

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Guns can come from blue states also, silly. Geez man, think before you speak. It does work, really. ?

Illinois has the same firearms fatality rate as Texas. 

[taxme]

On 5/26/2022 at 4:55 PM, Aristides said:

Particularly a drunk with a semi auto.

There can be nothing worse than a lefty liberal being drunk and owning a gun. They seem to be the only ones doing all the mass killings. Holy mackeral there, safari!. ?

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Illinois has the same firearms fatality rate as Texas. 

So, what's your point here anyway? That only red states have all the guns? ?

[Infidel Dog]

Texas uses the National Instant Criminal background System (NICS) as authorized by the FBI.

Here's how the NICS claim they work:

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NICS Process

When a person tries to buy a firearm, the seller, known as a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL), contacts NICS electronically or by phone. The prospective buyer fills out the ATF form, and the FFL relays that information to the NICS. The NICS staff performs a background check on the buyer. That background check verifies the buyer does not have a criminal record or isn't otherwise ineligible to purchase or own a firearm. Since launching in 1998, more than 300 million checks have been done, leading to more than 1.5 million denials.

NICS Availability

The NICS is customarily available by phone 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except for Christmas). Calls may be monitored and recorded for any authorized purpose. The NICS E-Check is available 24/7.

NICS Services

NICS provides full service to the FFLs in 31 states, five U.S. territories, and the District of Columbia. The NICS provides partial service to six states. The remaining 13 states perform their own checks through the NICS.

So if NICS is not providing "INSTANT" background checks then that goes to what I've stated before on this thread. Part of the problem is existing laws and services are not performing as advertised or enforced up to snuff or at all.

And if anybody is interested here's the other side of the gun control debate from the Vice President for Gun Owners of America.

 

The claim is Biden and his secretarial pool in the Mainstream media are lying to you about key factors governing this issue.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, what's your point here anyway? That only red states have all the guns? ?

No, but 9 of the top ten for gun fatalities are red and Illinois isn't one of them. The one blue state is New Mexico. !9 of the top 25 are red and Illinois isn't one of them either.

[taxme]

On 5/27/2022 at 5:41 AM, Boges said:

There were far fewer mass shootings when Assault weapons were banned than there are now. 

This punk was able to buy two of these guns and 400 rounds of ammo within two days of his 18th birthday. He couldn't even buy a case of beer. 

American priorities are whack. 

Maybe if this arse hole would have been able to buy booze at his age, he would have maybe stayed at home and got drunk. I was going to go out and beat some guy up just for fun one day. But then I changed my mind, and I decided to stay at home and got drunk. That guy was a lucky guy that day. As you can see, a Canadian can be just as whacked out as an American. ?

[Aristides]

Going out to beat someone for fun = massacring 19 little kids and their teachers. We know who one whacked out Canadian is.

[taxme]

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Texas uses the National Instant Criminal background System (NICS) as authorized by the FBI.

Here's how the NICS claim they work:

So if NICS is not providing "INSTANT" background checks then that goes to what I've stated before on this thread. Part of the problem is existing laws and services are not performing as advertised or enforced up to snuff or at all.

And if anybody is interested here's the other side of the gun control debate from the Vice President for Gun Owners of America.

 

The claim is Biden and his secretarial pool in the Mainstream media are lying to you about key factors governing this issue.

I do not believe that the majority of Canadians could ever be bothered to try and get the other side of the story. The stories that they can get from the likes of CNN, CBC, CTV or Globull that are put forth by those so called honest news outlets are good enough for them to listen to and believe as gospel.

What, many will Canadians will say? Is there really another side to a story? Yes, there is my little misinformed lefty liberal. The conservative alternative media can be right and have been found out to be right many times. ?

 

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Going out to beat someone for fun = massacring 19 little kids and their teachers. We know who one whacked out Canadian is.

I believe that in many instances most Canadians are pretty much whacked out. Maybe even you can be seen by others as being a bit whacked out. Hey, we never know, eh? ?

[taxme]

17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No, but 9 of the top ten for gun fatalities are red and Illinois isn't one of them. The one blue state is New Mexico. !9 of the top 25 are red and Illinois isn't one of them either.

Every weekend in Chicago, many dozens of people are either wounded or killed by gun fire. Thousands of people living in blue state Chicago are being killed every year. Thank gawd that it is not white people killing blacks. We would never hear the end of it coming from the likes of CNN or the CBC.

Funny though, as to those two news outlets mentioned never talk about that? I wonder why? Maybe because it is a black on black killings. Uhmmm? After all, we must only make red states and white people look bad as much as we can. ? 

[West]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Sort of but not very effective.

Any strengthening of federal checks has been vehemently opposed by Republicans.

Not exactly. What's being "vehemently opposed" is a gun registry or policy that would require a gun registry to be effectively. 

Conservatives don't oppose legislation that would keep firearms out of the hands of convicted violent felons, as an example

[West]

1 hour ago, traveler52 said:

 

I will say this but one time and one time ONLY.

I AM NOT.....REPEAT NO A "LEFTIST/I  AM NOT A MARXIST/I AM NOT A LENINIST/I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!

There is no need to insulting.  I am pround and Progressive American.  I am for very Gun Control Laws.  You have already read my post on the Training I received in the United States Marine Corps prior to ordered to Viet Nam.

FYI, the NRA did not allow Firearms on the floor of their Convention.....wonder why.

Univeral Background Checks would have kept the shooter from having in his possession two semi-automatic weapons, period end of sentence.  

I will say, no need to insulting.  If you want respect, you give respect.  If you deal crap you get crap...just saying.

Nice dodge. 

Your attacks on the NRA are unfounded as you can take gun safety courses such as the ones you are advocating for from the NRA. No responsible gun owner opposed responsible gun ownership. 

Predictable unfounded blame on conservatives just in time for an election.  The left wing way... pretty sick when they are being blamed for the massacre of children.. lowest form of political discourse

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Illinois has the same firearms fatality rate as Texas. 

Yeah...let's pretend we're not talking about Chicago which has among the strictest if not the strictest gun laws of any locality in the country. Perhaps North America.

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According to the department, 2021 ended with 797 homicides. That is 25 more than were recorded 2020, 299 more than in 2019 and the most since 1996. And there were 3,561 shooting incidents in 2021, which is just over 300 more than were recorded in 2020 and a staggering 1,415 more shooting incidents than were recorded in the city in 2019.

Other cities have also seen an increase in the number of homicides. But Chicago, as it has in previous years, ended 2021 with more homicides than any other city in the United States, including New York and Los Angeles, both of which had recorded at least 300 fewer homicides than Chicago for the year as of late December, according to police data from those cities.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2021-ends-chicagos-deadliest-year-quarter-century-82032244

Edited May 29, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Aristides]

37 minutes ago, West said:

Not exactly. What's being "vehemently opposed" is a gun registry or policy that would require a gun registry to be effectively. 

Conservatives don't oppose legislation that would keep firearms out of the hands of convicted violent felons, as an example

The first thing Ted Cruz did was accuse Democrats of playing politics when they proposed better background checks. Those kids were massacred in that scumbag's state for crying out loud.

[Aristides]

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yeah...let's pretend we're not talking about Chicago which has among the strictest if not the strictest gun laws of any locality in the country. Perhaps North America.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2021-ends-chicagos-deadliest-year-quarter-century-82032244

Chicago is in Illinois. 

[Infidel Dog]

Just now, Aristides said:

Chicago is in Illinois. 

Yes, but it's not all of Illinois.

Cut the 'fun with figures' crap. Nobody doubts the finger was being pointed at Chicago not all of Illinois. Again Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, perhaps in North America. Every new law you could want is already active in Chicago.

And none of those laws are working.

[Aristides]

Firearm fatality rate by state. Fatalities per 100K pop

Mississippi 28.6

Louisiana 26.3

Wyoming 25.9

Alabama 23.6

Alaska 23.5

Missouri 23.9

 

Illinois 14.1

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yes, but it's not all of Illinois.

Cut the 'fun with figures' crap. Nobody doubts the finger was being pointed at Chicago not all of Illinois. Again Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, perhaps in North America. Every new law you could want is already active in Chicago.

And none of those laws are working.

All that shows is a single city cannot isolate itself from a national madness.  It also demonstrates the stupidity of cities like Toronto that think banning handguns on its own will actually do anything.

Edited May 29, 2022 by Aristides

[West]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The first thing Ted Cruz did was accuse Democrats of playing politics when they proposed better background checks. Those kids were massacred in that scumbag's state for crying out loud.

Probably because they are playing politics. Democrats blame conservatives for murdered children for simply not sharing the same views as them on the effectiveness of the measures they are proposing.  how sick must you be to believe that?

Edited May 29, 2022 by West